List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

Will the Crows pick up any of these players in the off-season?

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Doctor B said:
CBAs from this week
28 centre bounces

PlayerFantasyTOGCBACBA%
Clayton Oliver10288%2589%
Max Gawn9778%1968%
Christian Petracca11784%1864%
James Harmes7075%1761%
Tom Sparrow6469%1450%
Luke Jackson8469%932%
James Jordon6773%414%
Angus Brayshaw2376%311%
Alex Neal-Bullen5574%27%
Kysaiah Pickett7186%14%

PlayerFantasyTOGCBACBA%
Kieran Strachan7388%2693%
Rory Sloane12085%2589%
Ben Keays11481%2382%
Rory Laird10176%2071%
Harry Schoenberg5562%1657%
Riley Thilthorpe6481%27%
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This is infuriating. Excluding Rucks, Melbourne who are top of the ladder had 8 different players roll through for a Centre Bounce. We, currently sitting 2nd last and supposedly rebuilding had 4. GTFOH Nicks. Our lack of diversity at CBAs all year has been putrid. Surely we are dead last on the season for different players having attended a CB?

Where’s the harm in throwing McHenry in for a couple? Get Murphy in there for a few. Hell put Jones and Cook in there for 1 or 2. How are we supposed to be developingour next wave of Mids?
 
Dewy006 said:
This is infuriating. Excluding Rucks, Melbourne who are top of the ladder had 8 different players roll through for a Centre Bounce. We, currently sitting 2nd last and supposedly rebuilding had 4. GTFOH Nicks. Our lack of diversity at CBAs all year has been putrid. Surely we are dead last on the season for different players having attended a CB?

Where’s the harm in throwing McHenry in for a couple? Get Murphy in there for a few. Hell put Jones and Cook in there for 1 or 2. How are we supposed to be developingour next wave of Mids?
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the club actually think mackay is a gun player… so you can only imagine how highly they rate sloane, keays and laird..

its scary how delusional the coaching and selection panel is.. they obviously believe the worst CB mid combination in the entire comp is actually one of the best..
 

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Yeah agree with the poster earlier about Davis in that instead of us burning games on Mackay it should have gone to someone like him to further put a line through his name or prove his spot in the side. I have actually thought he's looked alright in the previous few games but it's probably a little too late for him.


Mutineer said:
I take it that's the case going on the 1st video.



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He looks like he's about 12 in those one on one interviews!
 
Dewy006 said:
This is infuriating. Excluding Rucks, Melbourne who are top of the ladder had 8 different players roll through for a Centre Bounce. We, currently sitting 2nd last and supposedly rebuilding had 4. GTFOH Nicks. Our lack of diversity at CBAs all year has been putrid. Surely we are dead last on the season for different players having attended a CB?

Where’s the harm in throwing McHenry in for a couple? Get Murphy in there for a few. Hell put Jones and Cook in there for 1 or 2. How are we supposed to be developingour next wave of Mids?
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Cook played wing, McHenry does too, CBA numbers don't count wingmen.
 
Mackay strikes me as someone that wouldn't really want a farewell game. Or at least, he wouldn't want to telegraph it.

After 15 odd years I can honestly say I know next to nothing about David.
 
Footypie32 said:
After 15 odd years I can honestly say I know next to nothing about David.
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So true. I have no idea if he’s married or has a partner, kids etc

Only two things I know is his metabolism runs hot so he doesn’t need to worry about skinfolds, meaning he can eat all the chocolate he wants. And his sister is/was dating Sam Shaw.
 
Footypie32 said:
Mackay strikes me as someone that wouldn't really want a farewell game. Or at least, he wouldn't want to telegraph it.

After 15 odd years I can honestly say I know next to nothing about David.
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I'm the opposite. I feel like Mackay would want to make his retirement public, so his grandkids could see pop play for the Crows one last time.
 
Dewy006 said:
Where’s the harm in throwing McHenry in for a couple? Get Murphy in there for a few. Hell put Jones and Cook in there for 1 or 2. How are we supposed to be developingour next wave of Mids?
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Simple answer: we're not.

Some people think we're fully focused on rebuilding.

Some people even comfort themselves by thinking we are only so bad as we are because Nicks was tanking.

The uncomfortable truth is this year was Nicks doing his level best to win every game.

Any 'rebuilding' was purely a coincidental result of having to play a certain number of young players due to the good work our list manager has done removing senior players from the list.

Where senior players have been available Nicks plays them in preference to rebuilding. Every time.
 
mattymac said:
Simple answer: we're not.

Some people think we're fully focused on rebuilding.

Some people even comfort themselves by thinking we are only so bad as we are because Nicks was tanking.

The uncomfortable truth is this year was Nicks doing his level best to win every game.

Any 'rebuilding' was purely a coincidental result of having to play a certain number of young players due to the good work our list manager has done removing senior players from the list.

Where senior players have been available Nicks plays them in preference to rebuilding. Every time.
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That's why our list management team are delisting Tom Lynch and Daniel Talia. They have to do the rebuilding work
 
mattymac said:
Simple answer: we're not.

Some people think we're fully focused on rebuilding.

Some people even comfort themselves by thinking we are only so bad as we are because Nicks was tanking.

The uncomfortable truth is this year was Nicks doing his level best to win every game.

Any 'rebuilding' was purely a coincidental result of having to play a certain number of young players due to the good work our list manager has done removing senior players from the list.

Where senior players have been available Nicks plays them in preference to rebuilding. Every time.
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I'm not sure we did our "level best to win every game", because there are some games where that appeared to be not the case (e.g. reverting to 2020 tactics for the entire Essendon game). However, I do think they tried to win most games - without risking us getting out of the bottom bracket of teams, and losing access to the early draft picks.
 
Scorpus said:
That's why our list management team are delisting Tom Lynch and Daniel Talia. They have to do the rebuilding work
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That's the difference between list management and coaching. Coaches are employed to win as many games as they can, using all of the tools at their disposal - which is exactly what Nicks has done. List managers are there to plan for the long-term future, regardless of the immediate short term.
 

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Vader said:
That's the difference between list management and coaching. Coaches are employed to win as many games as they can, using all of the tools at their disposal - which is exactly what Nicks has done. List managers are there to plan for the long-term future, regardless of the immediate short term.
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Well if a coach wants to just play/plan for the now they won’t last long
 
mattymac said:
Simple answer: we're not.

Some people think we're fully focused on rebuilding.

Some people even comfort themselves by thinking we are only so bad as we are because Nicks was tanking.

The uncomfortable truth is this year was Nicks doing his level best to win every game.

Any 'rebuilding' was purely a coincidental result of having to play a certain number of young players due to the good work our list manager has done removing senior players from the list.

Where senior players have been available Nicks plays them in preference to rebuilding. Every time.
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Yep

It's seemed as though we've made the decision that we need to be semi competitive in order to rebuild. Being an utter rabble like last season sees no one develop.

To our thinking, having a senior core running the midfield allows us to compete (but not beat) most teams which gives us half a chance of holding our own.

Then we'll be able to develop some youth around the edges. And in time the youth will take over in the middle. A slow burn rebuild rather than an all-in rebuild.

I don't mind the thinking - a season like 2020 develops no one - but I think they could be a little more flexible with the centre square set up than they are. Schoenberg and Berry have looked good when they've been in there. Sloane, Keays and Laird are good enough players to still find the ball with stints as high half forwards. We would have lost little and gained plenty by running a few more players through the middle even if the senior trio remain the most prevalent in the middle overall.
 
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Footypie32 said:
Mackay strikes me as someone that wouldn't really want a farewell game. Or at least, he wouldn't want to telegraph it.

After 15 odd years I can honestly say I know next to nothing about David.
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He would have to be a big chance if delisted to take over from Wright as our SANFL player so maybe he moves quietly into that.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
It won't happen this week

He and the club will be hoping that after trade week and all the comings and goings of the post-season occur there will be space for him to squeeze onto the list

They can't commit or cut him yet.
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I have little doubt we will leave no stone unturned in our desire and effort to get Mackay to 250 games
 
Vader said:
That's the difference between list management and coaching. Coaches are employed to win as many games as they can, using all of the tools at their disposal - which is exactly what Nicks has done. List managers are there to plan for the long-term future, regardless of the immediate short term.
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And yet through some magic we don't understand, Mackay manages to not only survive list management, but also get picked each week.
It is bewildering.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
I don't mind the thinking - a season like 2020 develops no one - but I think they could more a little more flexible with the centre square set up than they are. Schoenberg and Berry have looked good when they've been in there. Sloane, Keays and Laird are good enough players to still find the ball with stints as high half forwards. We would have lost little and gained plenty by running a few more players through the middle even if the senior trio remain the most prevalent in the middle overall.
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We might have actually won more games by mixing it up in there and better managing the workloads of Sloane, Keays, etc.

We seem to get mown down in red time in quarters pretty much every week, as our mids tire.

Only a month ago Nicks mentioned he wanted to manage the midfield time of our mids (he specifically mentioned Laird), but if anything, we've been running fewer rotations.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
It won't happen this week

He and the club will be hoping that after trade week and all the comings and goings of the post-season occur there will be space for him to squeeze onto the list

They can't commit or cut him yet.
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They did it last year before the trade period. I can't see why this year is any different, his form's been the same and injury free.

Personally, I'm expecting it to be announced after the season but before the trade period.
 
I was curious what a team of our kids (and long-term contracts) would look like.

I think a lot of pieces are there, and the talent gap in the midfield (and small forwards) seems pretty obvious too.

FORWARDS
Lachlan Gollant - Riley Thilthorpe - Darcy Fogarty
Luke Pedlar - Fischer McAsey - Brayden Cook

MIDFIELD
Ned McHenry - Rory Laird - Lachlan Sholl
Reilly O'Brien - Harry Schoenberg - Ben Keays

DEFENSE
Wayne Milera - Nick Murray - Chayce Jones
Andrew McPherson - Jordan Butts - Tom Doedee

BENCH
Sam Berry - Jackson Hately - Josh Worrell - Will Hamill
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
Yep

It's seemed as though we've made the decision that we need to be semi competitive in order to rebuild. Being an utter rabble like last season sees no one develop.

To our thinking, having a senior core running the midfield allows us to compete (but not beat) most teams which gives us half a chance of holding our own.

Then we'll be able to develop some youth around the edges. And in time the youth will take over in the middle. A slow burn rebuild rather than an all-in rebuild.

I don't mind the thinking - a season like 2020 develops no one - but I think they could be a little more flexible with the centre square set up than they are. Schoenberg and Berry have looked good when they've been in there. Sloane, Keays and Laird are good enough players to still find the ball with stints as high half forwards. We would have lost little and gained plenty by running a few more players through the middle even if the senior trio remain the most prevalent in the middle overall.
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Was it Craig that had his A team and B team and depending on the game situation run either group through?
 
GreyCrow said:
Was it Craig that had his A team and B team and depending on the game situation run either group through?
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I can't remember but he had the back boners, the crushers etc. I can't remember the exact names but the concept of understanding developing players and introducing increasing levels of responsibility/opportunity onto them over time is a sound one

As Craig got closer to the prize his overarching vision tended to dry up but I liked his philosophy
 
Mego Red said:
I was curious what a team of our kids (and long-term contracts) would look like.

I think a lot of pieces are there, and the talent gap in the midfield (and small forwards) seems pretty obvious too.

FORWARDS
Lachlan Gollant - Riley Thilthorpe - Darcy Fogarty
Luke Pedlar - Fischer McAsey - Brayden Cook

MIDFIELD
Ned McHenry - Rory Laird - Lachlan Sholl
Reilly O'Brien - Harry Schoenberg - Ben Keays

DEFENSE
Wayne Milera - Nick Murray - Chayce Jones
Andrew McPherson - Jordan Butts - Tom Doedee

BENCH
Sam Berry - Jackson Hately - Josh Worrell - Will Hamill
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Looks a team who could push for finals, but we do need 3 or 4 elite mids to push the top end of the ladder.
 

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