List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Mutineer]

Yep am shocked Molan went undrafted. Had impressed me all season with how relatively well rounded his game was

There’s a few I’d love to give a go, if they don’t get picked up during SSP - Molan, Ferres, Birt, Ballantyne, Stagg, Breuer to name a few

Only thing I can think of that recruiters might have ??'s over is his pace, he's not overly quick but more than compensates for that with his work rate, composure, footy smarts and clean skills, a real bleed for the team character.

 

[Sanders]

I find it slightly baffling that so many people think the club will be bottom 2 next season which coming after a season winning 7 games would be nothing short of a failure and represent a regression.

The midfield is hardly as terrible as people say, though it does lack a genuine match winner. Nor is the forward line awful, the pieces are coming togther there with TT, Fog, Ned and Rachele. Although we're probably another tall short.

how many games do we win without Tex and his resurgent form?

what we have is a forward line that is completely unproven. I think it’s baffling to be baffled by why people might be concerned

 

[Danger Zone]

how many games do we win without Tex and his resurgent form?

what we have is a forward line that is completely unproven. I think it’s baffling to be baffled by why people might be concerned

I feel as though we often disagree but I am with you on this one. We have some talented young players but it was guys like Tex, Laird and Seedsman that were getting us over the line this year. Our forward line in particular is very young and inconsistent. Perfectly reasonable for some posters to think we are a decent chance of bottom four again this year, I certainly don't think we are a guarantee to improve our position in 2022. It isn't like the other bottom teams like North and GC don't have their own talents.

 

[Danger in Texas]

how many games do we win without Tex and his resurgent form?

what we have is a forward line that is completely unproven. I think it’s baffling to be baffled by why people might be concerned

We don't win the games against Geelong and GC without him, honestly

The expected regression of Tex, Sloane, Seedsman, Smith etc should cancel out the improvement of our younger brigade this year, IMO. Expecting a bottom 6-8 finish. That said, if our younger brigade continues the trajectory I think they can, I still reckon finals in 2023 is very much possible

 

[AFC979810]

The expected regression of Tex, Sloane, Seedsman, Smith etc should cancel out the improvement of our younger brigade this year, IMO. Expecting a bottom 6-8 finish. That said, if our younger brigade continues the trajectory I think they can, I still reckon finals in 2023 is very much possible

I can understand Tex/Sloane regressing, but Seed & Smith haven't turned 30 yet.

I still think (injuries permitting) that 11 wins needs to be the benchmark in 2022. We finished with 7 wins and 1/3 of our losses were by under 2 goals. We also got thrashed a lot, but that's to be expected for such a young side.

For me the biggest difference will be if Crouch and Milera can be healthy and play 20+ games. I think people forget how good of a footballer Crouch was from 2016 - 2019 and he is still only 26.

Apart from Jake Kelly, our side didn't really lose any contributors from 2021. Our list has (hopefully) gained a healthy Milera and Crouch plus Dawson. Those are three key additions.

Our list is taking nice shape and it appears we have our Spine locked down for the foreseeable future - Butts, Doedee, Fog, Tilthorpe so if we can find some gems in the middle our turnaround could happen quicker than expected.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not having Tex those first few weeks will force others to step up hopefully

 

[dylan123]

Not having Tex those first few weeks will force others to step up hopefully

How many games is he out for? I thought it was just the one for 2022 season with him having missed 5 of the 6 at the backend of last season?

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How many games is he out for? I thought it was just the one for 2022 season with him having missed 5 of the 6 at the backend of last season?

Is it? I had it in my head that he was missing the first few

 

[latinoheat]

Is it? I had it in my head that he was missing the first few

Yeah I thought he misses the first 3

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Seems to me all these discussions about ave age of Club lists are a waste of time .....if you're looking at hollistic numbers

 

[70lethal]

We won 7 games but we easily could have won 4 more if a little more went our way. I'd have as a solid 8-12 on the ladder team.

Particularly if we get a favourable draw. I can't see us finishing bottom 4

Half our list haven't played 20 games.
Only a 1/3rd of the list has played 50 games.

High chance we run out of gas

From the 2019 draft at this stage its only Schoenberg who offers serious scope for the sides improvement. I hope McAsey and Worrell have huge years.

Injuries to any of Butts, Walker, Laird would be telling

Its during 2023 if a large percentage of Jones, McHenry, Schoenberg, Fogarty, TT, Butts, Murray, Pedlar, Berry, Sholl, Cook, Hamill, Rowe, McAdam, McPherson, Rachele, Soligo, Taylor can get to 40 - 80 games and 2nd year with Burgess is when I see dramatic improvement.

Until 2023 I see a very young group that could surprise to the upside but also slide and I don't think win/losses should be the only measuring stick.

Eliminate losses over 5 goals would be huge imo

 

[Drewie11]

How many games is he out for? I thought it was just the one for 2022 season with him having missed 5 of the 6 at the backend of last season?

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Will miss the first 3. He received 6 weeks and missed the last 3 last year.

 

[Golumless]

I can understand Tex/Sloane regressing, but Seed & Smith haven't turned 30 yet.

I still think (injuries permitting) that 11 wins needs to be the benchmark in 2022. We finished with 7 wins and 1/3 of our losses were by under 2 goals. We also got thrashed a lot, but that's to be expected for such a young side.

For me the biggest difference will be if Crouch and Milera can be healthy and play 20+ games. I think people forget how good of a footballer Crouch was from 2016 - 2019 and he is still only 26.

Apart from Jake Kelly, our side didn't really lose any contributors from 2021. Our list has (hopefully) gained a healthy Milera and Crouch plus Dawson. Those are three key additions.

Our list is taking nice shape and it appears we have our Spine locked down for the foreseeable future - Butts, Doedee, Fog, Tilthorpe so if we can find some gems in the middle our turnaround could happen quicker than expected.

Seedsman is the candidate for a regression. 29 and just had a career year which was far above his usual output.

Usually those players regress to the norm next year, and of course that's before we consider that we also added Dawson to our lineup. Another factor that could tip the applecart for Seedsman as he goes down the pecking order.

 

[Vader]

I can understand Tex/Sloane regressing, but Seed & Smith haven't turned 30 yet.

I still think (injuries permitting) that 11 wins needs to be the benchmark in 2022. We finished with 7 wins and 1/3 of our losses were by under 2 goals. We also got thrashed a lot, but that's to be expected for such a young side.

For me the biggest difference will be if Crouch and Milera can be healthy and play 20+ games. I think people forget how good of a footballer Crouch was from 2016 - 2019 and he is still only 26.

Apart from Jake Kelly, our side didn't really lose any contributors from 2021. Our list has (hopefully) gained a healthy Milera and Crouch plus Dawson. Those are three key additions.

Our list is taking nice shape and it appears we have our Spine locked down for the foreseeable future - Butts, Doedee, Fog, Tilthorpe so if we can find some gems in the middle our turnaround could happen quicker than expected.

11 wins as a benchmark? That's at the upper end of the most optimistic projections for 2022. There's no way that's a suitable benchmark.

6-8 wins is the benchmark. Anything more than that in 2022 is an absolute bonus.

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[Golumless]

7-9 wins for me, though I don't particularly think that improvement is due to us, more from the league stratifying.

 

[Mego Red]

8 wins is the line for me.

If we can do that or better, it will be looking very optimistic.

 

[UcantCme]

7-9 wins for me, though I don't particularly think that improvement is due to us, more from the league stratifying.

7 - 10 for me

We lost a few close games last year, Dawson will make a big difference and I'm expecting further improvement from the young group who now have a 2nd, or 3rd preseaon under their belts

I alao think we will be really tough to beat at home against all opposition and, and if you look at the sides that finished between 7th - 16th last year it's not a massive gap

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[adelaidecrows]

We had 7 wins this year, we've only improved our list and will have back Crouch and milera Anything less than 10 wins is questionable.

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[Scorpus]

Seems to me all these discussions about ave age of Club lists are a waste of time .....if you're looking at hollistic numbers

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Age isn't the important number, it's experience

Our current 2022 list is the least experienced in the AFL.

Only twice in the last 10 years has the least experienced team finished outside the bottom 5

 

[Thetrader15]

So much depends on the draw when teams don't play the same teams twice.

I'd pencil in opportunities to win as (6):
North
Collingwood
GC
Hawks
Carlton
Saints

Scenario A is we double up against these teams, and get 11 wins.

Scenario B is we play all top 8 teams twice (Melb, Port, Geel, WB, Swans, Lions),and get 8 wins.

Which is the better season?

 

[Scorpus]

We had 7 wins this year, we've only improved our list and will have back Crouch and milera Anything less than 10 wins is questionable.

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Everyone else around us has improved their list too though

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Age isn't the important number, it's experience

Our current 2022 list is the least experienced in the AFL.

Only twice in the last 10 years has the least experienced team finished outside the bottom 5

I agree .....
# under 10 games
# under 50 games
# Over 100 games ....and the age of those experienced players; are they 26 yo or 30 yo

 

[AFC979810]

11 wins as a benchmark? That's at the upper end of the most optimistic projections for 2022. There's no way that's a suitable benchmark.

6-8 wins is the benchmark. Anything more than that in 2022 is an absolute bonus.

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So you are expecting no improvement or possibly regression?

Based on cattle alone - we should automatically be better simply by replacing Lynch, Kelly, Talia and Dmack with Dawson, Crouch, Milera and Rochelle.

We were extremely young last year- but I would expect some significant improvement to our 15-45 game players (Schoenberg, Fog, Hately, Jones, McHenry, Berry, Scholl, Hammill, Butts).

Add in another preseason under Nicks and we should be aiming for 11 wins.

 

[GROTTO]

8 wins is the line for me.

If we can do that or better, it will be looking very optimistic.

With that I would like us to also have competitive losses where we are still a chance to win it for most games.
Under Nicks our average losing margin drop by goal in 2021 compared to 2020.

A couple of top 8 scalps in those 8 wins too would be great, like we did in 2020, Cats and Dees.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Everyone else around us has improved their list too though

Thats a bit cynical. If we can't constantly show improvement with a young list the list has issues. That why if we don't win 10 games I say some questions on our drafting and trading strategies need to be asked. I'm not saying make finals but we should be able to show we are more than competitive in most matches against every team.

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