Game Day AFL Round 16 - Collingwood vs GWS Giants Matchday Discussion (Spotless -1.40pm)

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2016 AFL PREMIERSHIP SEASON
ROUND 16
COLLINGWOOD vs GWS GIANTS
SATURDAY 9TH JULY 1.40PM
SPOTLESS STADIUM

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Is there still hope for Collingwood? Most would answer no, but after consecutive wins the Magpies have at least mathematically put themselves back in the finals race. Collingwood went into their mid season bye with a 4-8 win/loss record. That was a woeful start for a club who had grand ambitions for season 2016. Throughout that bye week though the message was the same from everyone at the Holden Centre, that until they were absolutely ruled out of finals contention they'd continue to endure. This they have, with two ugly yet effective triumphs over Fremantle and Carlton bringing Collingwood to within three wins of 8th spot. The problem the Magpies face is that to even stay in contention they just have to keep winning, and that's not going to be easy with their draw. On the run home the Pies play 6 of the current top 8 placed sides in the competition.

It starts on Saturday in Sydney when the Magpies travel north to take on perhaps the story of season 2016, the GWS Giants. The Giants find themselves in third place on the ladder with a 10-4 record. That's a remarkable position for a team who in their short history has yet to even threaten the to play finals, yet now look likely to finish in the top 4. The Giants had a small mid season slump with back to back losses to the Cats and Crows, but have recovered well to win their last 3 games leading into the bye last weekend. In fact as it stands the Giants have the best percentage of any team in the competition due to a great mix of attack and defense. They will welcome the Pies to Spotless Stadium on Saturday and look to get their first ever win over Collingwood.


COLLINGWOOD PREVIEW

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So what has changed, if anything, to create this improved showing from the Magpies in recent weeks? Simply put the backline has changed. Collingwood has gone from conceding large scores to average sides like Melbourne and St Kilda to now giving up only 92 points over the last 2 games. The return to full fitness of Ben Reid, Marley Williams and Nathan Brown has played a huge part in this turnaround but there's more to it than just that. The Pies are chasing back harder, where in the first 12 games they were smashed on defensive transition the past two games have been so much better in that area. A lot of that has to do with work rate, and maybe, just maybe this Collingwood side is finally going to give a consistent effort each week.

There are still some obvious problems though for the Pies and it starts with the forward line. Last week against the Blues it was almost comical how bad each sides forward lines were. The Pies are missing Swan, Fasolo and Elliott from it's first choice attack and without them at times they look listless. That should be no surprise too, when you're now relying on a forward line consisting of Cloke (out of form), Cox (played 10 games), Moore (second year player), Blair and Aish. The Magpies will be desperate to get Fasolo back this week or face a tough task scoring against one of the better defenses in the AFL.

The Collingwood midfield is a concern too, as it relies on the output of too few to do the majority of the work. The Pies central group ranks last for clearances in the entire league, and it just so happens that this week they run into the team ranked 1st. Once again injuries have had an effect here with Adams and Swan the two most noteworthy omissions. There's only four players at the Pies who average above 3 clearances a game, and one of those is the club's main ruckman, Brodie Grundy. The other three are very predictable in Treloar, Pendlebury and Adams. What has been disappointing is the performance of the second tier midfielders, with Greenwood, Crisp, De Goey, Sidebottom and Blair adding very little to the clearances. There's no quick fix here either, even if Adams returns this week it's hard to see how Collingwood even get close to the star studded clearance machine that is the Giants midfield.

Selection was always going to be interesting for the Magpies this week. In the end the Pies made 5 changes despite the win over Carlton. Levi Greenwood and Mason Cox have effectively been rested, and neither will play at any level this weekend. The unlucky ones this week are Williams, Goldsack and Phillips who were omitted. The replacements though are pretty strong, with Adams, Marsh and Fasolo all recovered enough to take their place. Jesse White replaces Cox and Brent Macaffer makes a long awaited return in place of Greenwood. It leaves the Pies with one of their strongest named 22's this season.

It's a tough task heading north to play the Giants now, and one that the Magpies simply must win to keep any faint hopes of finals alive.


GWS PREVIEW

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The Giants are one of the big stories of the 2016 AFL season. The AFL needed at least one of the latest expansion teams to come good quickly or risk an embarrassment on a national level. Come good the Giants have, as they sit in 3rd on the ladder with one of the easiest draws to come. But even with a tough draw you would back these Giants to qualify for the finals from here, and probably make the top four also. They don't have too many weaknesses, as they rank 2nd for total points scored and 5th for least points conceded. Simply put the GWS Giants have developed into one heck of a scary opposition for anyone to face.

The Giants midfield is as stacked and talented as any in the AFL at the moment. Led by the now experienced trio of Ward, Griffen and Scully, along with a plethora of young talent it really is a force. At their disposal also they have one of the most intimidating ruckman in existence, Shane Mumford. In a young and developing side Mumford may well have been the best trade in of all. Of course there's the young talent too with the likes of Shiel, Kelly, Coniglio, Greene and Whitfield just a few adding to the depth of the Giants central core. The run into a Magpies midfield this week that has top end talent but not that the depth that the GWS version has. The Pies also rank down the bottom for hitouts while the Giants are near the top. This really is one area of the ground that the Giants should dominate.

Ever since the Giants came into the competition their forward line has been talked about. That's no shock when you have the amount of key position potential that they have. They've had to deal with the loss of Cam McCarthy this year but with Patton, Lobb, Cameron and the addition of Steve Johnson their forward line is still performing strongly. Johnson has been a very smart addition to a young and developing forward line, with his wealth of experience and knowledge no doubt improving this group quickly. He's also averaging over 2 goals a game so there's some life in the old dog yet. This may be the most competitive region of the ground on Saturday with the Pies backline back in form in recent weeks. They seem to match up well with the Giants in recent years and that shouldn't change too much this weekend.

If there is an area of weakness for the Giants it may be their backline, but even that would be a harsh assessment of the fifth ranked defense in the AFL. Most of the key defensive work is done by Phil Davis, Joel Patfull and Nick Haynes. Where the Giants do excel in defense is when they have to rebound the ball, with Heath Shaw perhaps the best at this in the AFL at the moment. The ex Magpie (traded for Taylor Adams a few years back) is a lock for the All Australian team and is arguably having his best season. Collingwood has had a problem defending the ball out of their forward line too so that's another area the Giants will look to exploit. The Magpies forward line is a mess at the moment though really, and even if Alex Fasolo returns from injury it's still not a threatening force.

The Giants will obviously be expecting to win this game and set themselves on the path to a top four spot leading into the finals. GWS were forced to make 3 changes due to injuries with Buntine, Griffen and Wilson all succumbing to ailments. Matthew Kennedy was omitted and there was a slight surprise when Phil Davis was named fit to play only 2 weeks after suffering a calf injury. Joining Davis in the team are Tomlinson, Steele, Smith and Adam Kennedy. It may be a slightly weakened Giants outfit but it still possesses enough talent to start clear favorites against the Pies.

TEAMS

COLLINGWOOD TEAM

IN: Alex Fasolo, Brent Macaffer, Jesse White, Taylor Adams, Jonathon Marsh
OUT: Tyson Goldsack (omit), Tom Phillips (omit), Marley Williams (omit), Levi Greenwood (managed), Mason Cox (managed)

B: Jonathon Marsh, Nathan Brown, Jeremy Howe
HB: Taylor Adams, Ben Reid, Ben Sinclair
C: Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar, James Aish
HF: Alex Fasolo, Travis Cloke, Travis Varcoe
F: Darcy Moore, Jesse White, Jarryd Blair
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Jack Crisp
Int: Jordan De Goey, Brent Macaffer, Brayden Maynard, Josh Smith
Emg: Tyson Goldsack, Jarrod Witts, Marley Williams

GWS GIANTS TEAM

IN: Adam Kennedy, Jack Steele, Devon Smith, Adam Tomlinson
OUT: Nathan Wilson (groin), Matthew Kennedy (omit), Matt Buntine (hamstring), Ryan Griffen (hamstring)

B: Joel Patfull, Phil Davis, Heath Shaw
HB: Adam Kennedy, Zac Williams, Nick Haynes
C: Jack Steele, Stephen Coniglio, Tom Scully
HF: Jonathon Patton, Rory Lobb, Lachie Whitfield
F: Toby Greene, Jeremy Cameron, Steve Johnson
Foll: Shane Mumford, Callan Ward, Dylan Sheil
Int: Josh Kelly, Devon Smith, Adam Tomlinson, Rhys Palmer
Emg: Matthew Kennedy, Tom Downie, Harrison Himmelberg

TIP

Before selection it seemed that Collingwod had little chance of winning this game, but with Adams, Marsh and Fasolo amongst the ins, this Magpies outfit is as strong as it has been for several weeks. Add the loss of Griffen for the Giants and the confidence the Pies have coming off two wins in a row, and maybe this Collingwood team can cause a major upset on Saturday.

MAGPIES BY 3 POINTS


VFL

The VFL Magpies are flying. They sit in the top four on the VFL ladder and are on a six game winning streak. It may get even better too with trips away to the bottom two placed teams in coming weeks. This week they head to North Ballarat to face the Roosters. Game start is 1pm at Eureka Stadium.
 
You are game to Tip us mattys123.

IF we somehow Knock off the GWS it be the Biggest Up-Set this season and out Biggest Upset for SomeTime.

We do have a strong side this week with Adams and Fas Back. Marsh also good to come back.

I hope we can Compete Well and don't get Flogged.

Hoping Aish can keep Imporving. Moore to Kick a Few. Grundy to keep up his good Form vs Mumford. Treloar and Adams to show what GWS is Missing.

My Tip is GWS by 50pts
 

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Glad this isn't at the MCG, should save us a ton of cash. If I recall correctly the home team supplies the lube.

GWS by 85.
 
I hate orange. Kill the campaigners. Pies by 22.
 
You are game to Tip us mattys123.

IF we somehow Knock off the GWS it be the Biggest Up-Set this season and out Biggest Upset for SomeTime.

We do have a strong side this week with Adams and Fas Back. Marsh also good to come back.

I hope we can Compete Well and don't get Flogged.

Hoping Aish can keep Imporving. Moore to Kick a Few. Grundy to keep up his good Form vs Mumford. Treloar and Adams to show what GWS is Missing.

My Tip is GWS by 50pts
Why more than thrashing Geelong when they were on top?
 
I've been away this week so had no chance to catch up on all this.. wtf did we drop Goldsack? .. I'm not Goldy's biggest fan but he played a really good game last week.. one of his better ones.. and he gets dropped. Did he not stand in the right spots or something?
anyhooo..
we have a sniff with this one... think we might just bluff and blunder our way to a win... I have no idea why I think this.
 
IF we actually won, that would genuinely revive the season ie you'd give us a glimmer to make the 8.
that's a huge "if" though.
I'd say gws by only 35, assuming the last 2 games were a result of a changed ultra defensive game plan.
 
Heath Shaw to carve us up.
 

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Shock and awe is our only real hope, if we can jump out of the blocks and get a big first quarter lead we might have a chance.
Going toe to toe all game we will simply be outclassed.
8 goal 1st quarter to pies and to win by 11 points
Go Pies!
 
I've been away this week so had no chance to catch up on all this.. wtf did we drop Goldsack? .. I'm not Goldy's biggest fan but he played a really good game last week.. one of his better ones.. and he gets dropped. Did he not stand in the right spots or something?
anyhooo..
we have a sniff with this one... think we might just bluff and blunder our way to a win... I have no idea why I think this.

The Sack was unlucky but we must look to the future in Marsh. Expecting a close contest today, Pies to hang tough and win by 4 points in a thriller.
 
I think we would be some chance in Melbourne but to beat them at Spotless stadium will be too big an ask.
Have a real crack & push them all the way & I'll be happy based on our year.
 
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