Review AFL Round 17 autopsy - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points

[J Squad]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

Was so glad to see Hawkins stand deep in the last quarter and take those marks, that's his role for the rest of the year. Although I don't rate the Lions' defense a lot, he still showed what he's capable of playing as a permanent forward.

Defense weren't accountable for their man and too many goals were kicked uncontested.

Bartel hitting form again was good to see, and Christensen just gives 100%, great kid

Can't say the same for Varcoe's first 3 quarter's though, picked it up in the last and did some valuable things. I think he's intensity lifted along with the teams in the last quarter as they seemed more desperate for the ball.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

really bad defensive display by the cats not all the defenders fault but some of the mids as well.center clearances were a issue till the last quarter,not sure why the team is leaking goals maybe the zone is becoming alittle to easy to break maybe its time to re-jig a few things.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: AFL Round 17 match discussion - Brisbane v Geelong

Did Carey end up having a word with young Hawk?

Been waiting for awhile for him to put his authority on the game. Has to be played from the goalsquare from here on in, rotating with Pods. Just gives us structure.

Bit concerned about the impact again of small forwards - bamfield - perhaps Kelly needs a permanent shift back to the pocket?

Varcoe may have lifted enough to win his spot back next week....but boy, if he serves up anything like that first 3/4 again lets bring back Byrnes and just get it done with.

Now the time has come to settle the side. We have 1 bye (very convenient) and a few games against bottom eight sides to come. Need our best 22 on the park and everyone building for september. Duncan and Menzel come back next week alongsdie Otto and Scarlett.

Said this last week. We need Kelly to play back now. Christensen is more than capable of filling his void in the middle. We are getting far too many goals scored against us.

 

[hbk_aus]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

First of all, congratulations Channel 7 on a terrificly unbiased commentary. You wouldnt have known who they were barracking for - its just a shame that Geelong ruined their day by winning.

Main word i have is SLOW. We are so slow. And this is starting to hurt us in transition big time. In this era of presses and quick transitions pace is becoming so important, and we are getting killed on the defensive side the last few weeks because our spread just cant keep up with the opposition.

I know Wells' recruiting has been super in selecting natural footballers above athletes but we need to look at this in coming drafts. Pace is vital, especially with Wojo on the way out.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

Re: AFL Round 17 match discussion - Brisbane v Geelong

Aww.. Thank you!! I was looking for something like that in the last quarter and it happened!! But, did selwood really have an impact on this game, i thought he would be better after 4 weeks. But, at least a win. Can someone tell me the percentage for the cats on the ladder? and, what about next week against the tigers, how are we going to go??

135.7%
Hate to say it but we may see a very similar match against the Tigers as the one we saw today because the Tigers have been good at starting games then falling apart in the 2nd halves and we are the complete opposite so something's gotta give.
I suspect we again rest some players and Scott will want to see how our new midfielder's in Christensen, Duncan, Varcoe and possibly Cowan go against the much-hyped Tiger midfield.
Lingy may be suspect with pace and I'd also rest Josh Hunt and bring in Wojak. Vardy was good today imo, he just contests the 2nd drop of the ball after tapping and is always looking to impact the contest. Ottens may play but I'd love to see Simpson given a go with Vardy or West. West deserves time and we will likely bring in Scarlett at the expense of an injured Taylor.

Anyone notice Tomahawk grab his hamstring at the end of the 4th? Hope it's only cramp because he could be in the same situation as the legendary story of how Jimmy Bartel was dropped to the two's years ago and the rest is history

 

[AWOL]

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Did anyone take a count on the number of references to the roller coaster and / or the "holiday" on the Gold Coast?

I swear that Commetti is a complete tool who writes a list of things he wants to say before a match and does everything he can to slip it into his commentary. Obviously this week he was very limited in his 'witty' ideas.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

Did anyone take a count on the number of references to the roller coaster and / or the "holiday" on the Gold Coast?

I swear that Commetti is a complete tool who writes a list of things he wants to say before a match and does everything he can to slip it into his commentary. Obviously this week he was very limited in his 'witty' ideas.

absolutely....the only genuine time that Bruce got excited with our play was when Jimmy got dacked and he nearly sprigged all over the camera

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

We look dangerous with two marking targets in our forward 50...we just have to stick with it. Vardy will chip in nicely if we maintain this structure...please Scott....just let it be now!

Defense has really sucked last few weeks. Maybe we do have to sit Kelly in the back pocket again to steel it up...small forwards continue to be a problem...obviously Scarlett goes a long way to suring this up. I think putting Bundy in to the starting on-ball rotation and releasing Kelly to the back pocket makes sense. Enright made a few clangers today...unlike him. Like Mackie on the wing though...Not sure what we do with Milburn...he is still a gun, but whether or not he can fit within the team balance is another question as he would be required to go on a small. Could be a vital inclusion though as he has a lot of grunt that we have been missing.

The two Hunts worry me at the moment....maybe both due for a spell. Menzel and Duncan both in next week. The comments on pace are also concerning, its just a shame that our three quickest Varcoe, Wojack and Taylor Hunt have been down over the last month. Maybe Wojack to come back in.

Maybe it is bit of mid-season blues, glad it is happening now and not at the end of the year. History shows that a lot of premiership teams of late drop there guard around now and look to sure themselves up for finals. Would be pretty hard to imagine us dropping more than 3 games....but on todays form maybe a possibility!!

 

[Poetic Justice]

Re: AFL Round 17 match discussion - Brisbane v Geelong

Pleased with the eventual result but it was a frustrating journey that's for sure. You have to wonder if we only ran over them because they were two players short on the bench, but I suppose it wouldn't have truly accounted for a 7 goal 4th quarter haul. Plus, the ball didn't go into their forward 50 that often so they weren't missing their out players.

Great to see Tom Hawkins show something in the last quarter. He took a few grabs in the first 3 quarters and was showing a bit but truly looked fascinating in the fourth quarter. I really hope that he does not get thrown back to the 2s and continues to play a role in the forward line rather than in the ruck.

Just the impact it has on jPod alone is worth keeping Hawk there. Having another tall forward in the 50 for defenders to keep an eye on was instrumental in Pods unleashing on a wider scale what he has been showing for weeks!

Sel was down, but what do you expect?

Hopefully this is the start of another winning streak!

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

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Travis Varcoe - GTFO...that effort in the third quarter was just about the most piss-weak thing I've seen on a footy field this year. Must go back to the VFL.

I thought Hawkins was pretty good all day, he just went up a gear in the last quarter. Took plenty of good grabs and was playing with confidence. Bundy, short odds to take the Rising Star nomination, which will give us three for this year, with Hunt, Vardy and Motlop all still eligible and reasonable chances to get one by round 24. Just great to see Hogan back in an AFL game, I don't think anyone would have predicted that a month ago. An absolute credit to him. I thought West was pretty good and showed some poise for a big guy, when he had the ball in his hands.

Definitely got the better of the umpiring, Brisbane was very stiff on a number of occasions.

Overall, more positives than negatives today. Bank those four points and get ready for the side to kick in to gear over the next month.

 

[JUBJUB]

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Did anyone take a count on the number of references to the roller coaster and / or the "holiday" on the Gold Coast?

That one joke got repeated over and over
Then they dragged out the Joel Corey goal kicking stat again - whooptyfrickingdo

Seven suck !!!

 

[watermelonslice]

Re: AFL Round 17 match discussion - Brisbane v Geelong

One of the good things to come from the match was the return of 11 goals from our tall forwards. It would be fantastic if we could keep this structure leading into the finals. Even if Hawkins and Pods don't kick all the goals, their presence at the contest would be very important for our smaller forwards. It also gives our forward line a more solid look and make life easier for the rest of the forward line. I feel when Pods is the only real target up forward that our smaller forwards don't crumb as effectively. Fingers crossed Hawkins can keep up this kind of form. It would also be nice if he could develop a better kick at goal too.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Re: AFL Round 17 match discussion - Brisbane v Geelong

Did Carey end up having a word with the Hawk?

I remember in 2010 when Hawk had a blinder against Brisbane in the early rounds up at the Gabba - then he injured his footy and never got his mojo back. Hopefully this is one of those full circle things!

Wojack, Byrnes, Milburn, Scarlett, Otto', Menzel and Duncan all would be itching to atone for today's performance.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Re: AFL Round 17 match discussion - Brisbane v Geelong

One of the good things to come from the match was the return of 11 goals from our tall forwards. It would be fantastic if we could keep this structure leading into the finals. Even if Hawkins and Pods don't kick all the goals, their presence at the contest would be very important for our smaller forwards. It also gives our forward line a more solid look and make life easier for the rest of the forward line.

Agreed. How much easier will things be for Chapman/Johnson/Byrnes/Stokes/Menzel etc, If we're not relying so heavily on them to manufacture goals? If Pods/Hawkins/Vardy/Ottens/Mooney are providing a consistent target and crashing through packs, it becomes a bit of a pick your poisoin type scenario for opposing defences.

 

[Tay29]

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Varcoe may have lifted enough to win his spot back next week....but boy, if he serves up anything like that first 3/4 again lets bring back Byrnes and just get it done with.

He's been doing that pretty much all year. With Gaz gone he's had every opportunity to step up and hasn't. In fact, he's gone backward from last year. And that effort in the 3rd quarter where he had to go for the ball..... This may be harsh, but that alone should send him back to the VFL. He's lost hunger and commitment and doesn't really deserve his spot in the side.

Couldn't help but think that we ran away with it because we got some very favourable free kicks in the last quarter and a half. Nice to see Hawkins have some influence on the game and Christensen very good in tight. He's got very sure hands when under pressure.

 

[you pick one]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

I think we need to take a breath. For the first time in 4 years we have our gun players really out of form. They found a way to win but too many mistakes from talented guys , performances like that make one look careless but I believe they were trying , it just wasn't happening.

Hawkins last marks was his best. Its shame he is such a dunce setshot ,it kills his game.
Vardy due for a rest imo. , Chrstensen did enough to be nominated

Ling had a 240Volt Shocker

West did what he did the last time he was in the side , not much the first game. he needs multiple games in a row to see if he can handle the level. But it does seem doubtful there is a spot for him Simpson and Vardy in the same side.

Just got back from the game Ling started on a HFF and spent a lot of the day there, as some on this board wanted to have a look at.Way to slow and couldn't get into the game.
YOU CAN LEAVE THAT CLUB IN THE BAG IN FUTURE.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

By the way, Ling was best on ground for us last week....stood up for 4 quarters when a lot of others went missing. Got a few others to work through before we really call for Ling to be dropped.

 

[bloodygoose]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

West was pretty good and showed some poise for a big guy, when he had the ball in his hands.

I agree. Give Westy another run next week and young Vardy needs a rest. Eight disposals, 17 hitouts, six tackles, two marks and some nice kicks into the forward 50. Gets his head over the pill for a big bloke.

West/Vardy/Simpson are our future ruck options and they all deserve game time.

 

[you pick one]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

By the way, Ling was best on ground for us last week....stood up for 4 quarters when a lot of others went missing. Got a few others to work through before we really call for Ling to be dropped.

Not having a go at ling in any way just pointing out the experiment of him playing on a HFF was a flop.
No idea what you thought I was saying.

 

[bulletproof]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

Further evidence that Scarlett is probably the best player in the competition (our backline is a mess without him) and Milburn is still a key player for us.

I am a little bit concerned that Chapman is showing signs of decline. I still think that he can rouse himself for one more September but time is marching on relentlessly for some of our champion players.

 

[_Me_]

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chapman will spend more time in the forward line with the young ones coming through

taylor hunt needs more time, and bundy has gone past him

kelly can play back with bundy in the guts

things are tacking shape

we will be ok

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

Summary -

1. Team generally was pretty ordinary - and that is 3 weeks in a row now.

2. Pods is getting better and Hawkins did well - but this is not a top team we were playing - so hold back on some of the hype.

3. Varcoe was poor overall today

4. Selwood was quiet

5. Vardy needs more time before he will be a consistent player for us.

6. Got beaten in the rucks and at centre bounces again.

7. Kelly is best in the midfield but he may have to play back the way things are looking presently. Backline is leaking goals.

8.On West's performance today - I see Simpson ahead of him.

9. Bundy really impressed me.

10. We need to start putting the best 22 on the park in the positions they will play come finals time. Time to start building and believing.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

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Not having a go at ling in any way just pointing out the experiment of him playing on a HFF was a flop.
No idea what you thought I was saying.

A few people mentioned that Ling had a shocker today....which he did. Just reminding people though that he was very good last week and still has a place in this team.

I personally liked the idead of him playing more time in the forward line...although today's results suggest that maybe this isn't the best posi. Still, having a defensive forward who can kick a few himself is a massive luxury and we shouldn't forget the job that Ling did on Hodge this year.

 

[The Rusty Clam]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

Incredibly frustrating first three quarters. I was about ready to switch off in the third quarter when we kicked it out on the full, on the same wing, three times in about 2 minutes.

BUT they started to get it together in the last quarter, Hawkins especially. Pods was channeling Ablett snr again, which was great to watch.

Great to see a lot of Geelong supporters at the ground too.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Re: Autopsy thread - Round 17 - Brisbane is defeated by Geelong by 29 points.

Summary -

1. Team generally was pretty ordinary - and that is 3 weeks in a row now.

Could be a result of some extra loading. However, better to have a form dip now than in September, gives us time to address problems.

2. Pods is getting better and Hawkins did well - but this is not a top team we were playing - so hold back on some of the hype.

Structure is the important thing. What they did today is proove that we have a capable dynamic attack when we play two key forwards and not a ruckman who rests forward. It honestly doesn't matter if they don't kick goals as long as they are creating contests and targets....encouraging signs today.

3. Varcoe was poor overall today

Agreed. Byrnes should come in....just gives us more around a contest and can capitalise on opportunites in the form of goals. Varcoe does have that gallop of pace though that would be handy.

4. Selwood was quiet

Still, was leading clearance getter today. Will be better for the run.

5. Vardy needs more time before he will be a consistent player for us.

Needs to play as 2nd mobil ruck who can chip in as third forward alongside Hawkins and Pods...maybe another rest though.

6. Got beaten in the rucks and at centre bounces again.

West and Vardy are not first rucks....We need to play one of Simpson/Ottens.

7. Kelly is best in the midfield but he may have to play back the way things are looking presently. Backline is leaking goals.

Agreed.

8.On West's performance today - I see Simpson ahead of him.

Agreed.

9. Bundy really impressed me.

Absolute Gun, best of the litter so far.

10. We need to start putting the best 22 on the park in the positions they will play come finals time. Time to start building and believing.

Absolutely agreed!