Autopsy AFL Round 19 - Another Loss

[Bad Horse]

Not so good.

Well, I guess I have to thank my bf for sparing me that then.

 

[Go Woods]

Sam Mitchell is a must get for 2020.

Hand him an open cheque to take over as a midfield coach with a promise he'll take over when Buck's gets the sack

Sam Mitchell would be a fantastic replacement for Rob Harvey whom I would think will be at the Saints next year as an assistant. I would definitely have Sam in mind as Bucks successor if we continue our slump long term and a rebuild was to be imminent.

 

[Maggie5]

Not so good.

I haven't given up yet. Not until it is mathematically impossible or if players needed won't make it time.

For mine the final 8 is just like a season starting up all over again and anything can happen.

 

[jmac70]

I haven't given up yet. Not until it is mathematically impossible or if players needed won't make it time.

For mine the final 8 is just like a season starting up all over again and anything can happen.

You’re the voice of reason Maggie

 

[Scritchyscroony]

CP - is clearly the stat always quoted for effort - always.
So no point trying to disparage it.

When people try to speak of poor effort when we won CP just shows they have NFI.

You didn't answer my questions. Forget what the stats say. Which team looked to you like they were hungrier, harder at it, more committed and winning the contest for the football? We withered like little petals in that first qtr again spinny. Not for the first time this year we were badly exposed in this regard.

 

[TradeDraft]

Blaming injuries is a cop out when most players on the list have gone backwards by a fair margain.

Only Aish and Brown have really improved. Crisp, Maynard, Grundy and Pendlebury the same as 2018 or thereabouts. Missed a few probably but point is majority of the players on the list are going backwards.

Grundy better then Last Year

Ton of Players gone Backwards.

Top of my Head a few that :

- Cox
- WHE
- Thomas
- Maybe
- Sier

 

[TradeDraft]

I haven't given up yet. Not until it is mathematically impossible or if players needed won't make it time.

For mine the final 8 is just like a season starting up all over again and anything can happen.

IF we keep getting Injuries we might not be able to Field a Team or even a Competitive one

 

[No SPIN]

You didn't answer my questions. Forget what the stats say. Which team looked to you like they were hungrier, harder at it, more committed and winning the contest for the football? We withered like little petals in that first qtr again spinny. Not for the first time this year we were badly exposed in this regard.

Agree about 1st QTR - clearly out played.
To still win CP after that point shows effort was not lacking for the rest of the game as others are contending.
We allowed them a 6 point increase to their 1st QTR lead - that takes effort.

Injuries are costing us and lack of cohesion due to instability in our 22 is compromising confidence.
I like many see a fierce rebound as players return - maybe playing more games in finals if we miss top 4, assists these returning players get some form and building team momentum.

Effort is not an issue.

 

[AuntyBlindEye]

Again, you’re missing my point.

You make a valid point and yes they are missing it but you forget who you are talking to. Simplify it for them mate.

 

[jmac70]

Can we get rid of the Richmond gloaters?

 

[AuntyBlindEye]

Hopefully Roughy is all good. My sister does tats for him and he is always a nice bloke.

Probably one of the more embarrassing ways to end a night.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Agree about 1st QTR - clearly out played.
To still win CP after that point shows effort was not lacking for the rest of the game as others are contending.
We allowed them a 6 point increase to their 1st QTR lead - that takes effort.

Injuries are costing us and lack of cohesion due to instability in our 22 is compromising confidence.
I like many see a fierce rebound as players return - maybe playing more games in finals if we miss top 4, assists these returning players get some form and building team momentum.

Effort is not an issue.

So we kept running after we withered when they brought the heat. I think you should also take into account that the Tigers just treaded water after the first.
Continuing to run and make an effort is one thing. But lack of hardness in the face of physicality is another thing all together. It's part of effort and it's what cost us the game when it was wet and hard. It is a big issue for us ATM.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

No effort is highlighted by a poor contested possession stats - we won contested possession last night.

So the red face is yours.

Right, so effort is SOLELY measured by contested possession.

Its almost like, the game has so many more facets - weird how I missed it.

 

[Kappa]

I haven't given up yet. Not until it is mathematically impossible or if players needed won't make it time.

For mine the final 8 is just like a season starting up all over again and anything can happen.

History will show you pretty much need to finish top 3 to win the flag, barring a miracle.

We aren't good enough to win 4 finals in a row against WCE Geelong Richmond and someone else

 

[TradeDraft]

History will show you pretty much need to finish top 3 to win the flag, barring a miracle.

Teams are Quite Close so I can see a Chance a Team outside Top 4 could win the Flag

 

[Robroy22]

Sacking the Head Coach has worked for Blues,Saints and Roos

How many of them are playing finals again Dave?

 

[Leviathan Pie]

How many of them are playing finals again Dave?

Superb narrow-thinking.

Because top 4 sides sack their coaches all the time, lol.

 

[No SPIN]

Right, so effort is SOLELY measured by contested possession.

Its almost like, the game has so many more facets - weird how I missed it.

Yes - you missed it.
Give me any example where commentary on lack of effort was NOT based on a very poor differential in CP.

It doesn’t happen.

Should have checked the stats LP before generalizing.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Yes - you missed it.
Give me any example where commentary on lack of effort was NOT based on a very poor differential in CP.

It doesn’t happen.

Should have checked the stats LP before generalizing.

I do check the stats, Spinny, being a numbers man I like either re-enforcing what I've seen, or possibly looking at things in a different way based on the data.

We lost; Clearances, Inside 50's, Tackles & overall Disposals

4 huge indicators, which coupled with Contested Possession - paint a broader picture. The effort was poor, especially when you consider we again came out sluggish off the back of an awful performance the week prior.

 

[Chameleon75]

Yes - you missed it.
Give me any example where commentary on lack of effort was NOT based on a very poor differential in CP.

It doesn’t happen.

Should have checked the stats LP before generalizing.

Glenn McFarlane article in the hun today highlighted uncontested possession differential as an indicator of poor work rate, so I guess there’s an example.

But effort takes many forms a lot doesn’t make the stat sheet such as pushing back to help out the defence or making dummy leads to shift zones, running to provide options etc then there’s work without ball in hand such as tackling.

Using contested possessions as the sole indicator of effort is problematic at best.

 

[No SPIN]

I do check the stats, Spinny, being a numbers man I like either re-enforcing what I've seen, or possibly looking at things in a different way based on the data.

We lost; Clearances, Inside 50's, Tackles & overall Disposals

4 huge indicators, which coupled with Contested Possession - paint a broader picture. The effort was poor, especially when you consider we again came out sluggish off the back of an awful performance the week prior.

AFL website has clearances 33:33, but stoppage clearance ( more contested v center clearances) to us 26:18.

Tackles 50:59 to Rich
No one considers your other stats as effort stats compared to those I’ve quoted.

Now considering how badly we were beaten in the 1QTR to have then won or broken even on these stats took EFFORT. As clearly evidenced by us only allowing them a 6 point margin increase over the remaining 3 QTRs. That also takes effort.
At QTR time most in the match day thread most were predicting a shellacking - but the boys kept things respectable. With EFFORT.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

AFL website has clearances 33:33, but stoppage clearance ( more contested v center clearances) to us 26:18.

Tackles 50:59 to Rich
No one considers your other stats as effort stats compared to those I’ve quoted.

Now considering how badly we were beaten in the 1QTR to have then won or broken even on these stats took EFFORT. As clearly evidenced by us only allowing them a 6 point margin increase over the remaining 3 QTRs. That also takes effort.
At QTR time most in the match day thread most were predicting a shellacking - but the boys kept things respectable. With EFFORT.

Inside 50's are an effort stat, as plenty of it is based on spread.

Its seemingly a moot point though, the post quarter time narrative doesn't fly - as the game was essentially over.

It'd be nice to come out firing, with you know, intent & EFFORT considering how bad our recent performance against GWS was.

 

[No SPIN]

Glenn McFarlane article in the hun today highlighted uncontested possession differential as an indicator of poor work rate, so I guess there’s an example.

But effort takes many forms a lot doesn’t make the stat sheet such as pushing back to help out the defence or making dummy leads to shift zones, running to provide options etc then there’s work without ball in hand such as tackling.

Using contested possessions as the sole indicator of effort is problematic at best.

Sorry - find me a single commentator when bagging effort that doesn’t go to CP as the primary stat - it doesn’t happen.
Uncontested differential of 14 is not huge enough to make a case - 30 or 40 maybe.

 

[No SPIN]

Inside 50's are an effort stat, as plenty of it is based on spread.

Its seemingly a moot point though, the post quarter time narrative doesn't fly - as the game was essentially over.

It'd be nice to come out firing, with you know, intent & EFFORT considering how bad our recent performance against GWS was.

Yes - 1QTR effort was bad.

But why are you discounting the arm wrestle later - surely you also thought we’d get blown away at QTR time.

Do you think Hardwick would be happy at this failure to smash us given the players we’re missing?

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Yes - 1QTR effort was bad.

But why are you discounting the arm wrestle later - surely you also thought we’d get blown away at QTR time.

Do you think Hardwick would be happy at this failure to smash us given the players we’re missing?

I would consider not winning a quarter, until the last (won it by 6), as essentially being blown away - yes.

Hardwick would be very content, I'm sure. They were 50+ points up in the last, and we pinched a few cheap ones late.