Injury All things COVID-19 - including the impact on Season 2020

[feelinfeline]

Exhibit A. Argue the man, not the argument.

So how is the science changing?

Seriously? You referred to us as sheep.

 

[Cattery]

People are whipping themselves into a frenzy over very minor issues. Seriously, get a life! This is a short-term thing. The restrictions are already being wound back.

I can understand the Vic opposition trying to scare political points, but I don't think it's even working for them.

Said it perfectly, this is pretty much an unprecedented situation, with worldwide deaths pushing three hundred thousand, and yet here we have bitching and whining because one premier is delaying lifting some restrictions by a few weeks or not allowing golf (big f*****g deal)

I can imagine if he lifted restrictions too early and we had another spike they'd be calling for his head for being reckless.

 

[cats_09]

Another indication that a return to the "old normal" isn't around the corner, and that we are going to continue to feel the impacts of covid for a while yet...

AVALON 2021 DEFERRED TO NOVEMBER 2021

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, we’ve been monitoring the evolving situation and its potential effects on the Australian International Airshow (AVALON 2021), whose centrepiece will be the once in a lifetime celebration of the Centenary of the Royal Australian Air Force.

After extensive consultation and review, it has become clear that if we continued with the original February dates, the impacts of COVID-19, including uncertainty about availability of international travel, would pose unacceptable risks to our patrons and impact our event and the RAAF birthday celebrations. As we’ve all found while isolating in our own homes – it’s not much of a party when your friends can’t come!

As a result, AVALON 2021, originally scheduled for 23-28 February, will be deferred to later in 2021, with timings in November being considered. Once dates are locked in we will let you know so you can save the date!

 

[Partridge]

The overwhelming majority that are whipping things up are simply pushing their agenda. Most are paid to do it but we've get Doc doing it for free.
Murdoch's getting some free labour.

Hey it beats starving.

If you've got Rupert's number I'll happily spruik crap for him.

 

[Mr Meow]

Welcome to the 21st century where it is easier to belittle a person than to argue the point made.

This is a democratically elected official using parliamentary process to question decisions made. The purpose of our tax dollars.

Receives an answer all semi-intelligent people suspected. This farce of a government under Chairman Dan is making decisions on the fly, based off their own personal interests and not based on science.

But I guess it is easier to go the man and attack them as people hey Spazz?

What about schools. An utter shambles, the science shows children don’t transmit the virus. Schools closed.

The science doesn’t change. Schools open... but only if you’re prep, grade 1 or VCE. We are having the wool pulled over our eyes.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30236-X/fulltext

Incorrect media reporting about children and transmission of COVID-19

A statement about media reports, citing RCPCH, on the transmission of COVID-19 by children.

www.rcpch.ac.uk

I'm fine with the rants but let's please avoid spreading misinformation.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30236-X/fulltext

Incorrect media reporting about children and transmission of COVID-19

A statement about media reports, citing RCPCH, on the transmission of COVID-19 by children.

www.rcpch.ac.uk

I'm fine with the rants but let's please avoid spreading misinformation.

WHO don't share that sentiment. That is what I meant.
Children have gotten the virus but don't seem to spread it to others.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens if the numbers of the homeless and those with depression spike, and along with that suicides.

Seeing as everyone is so compassionate and cares and everything, and every life is valuable, what happens if those numbers end up exceeding or even dwarfing actual COVID fatalities? I'm guessing the sound of crickets chirping.

There's sensible caution, and there's paranoia.

That's what I was worried about. But so far things are ok. 6 months down the track though I think we might find out.
I think that's when we are going to see the real economic fallout.
Also feel sorry for the homeless. Put up in hotels, but will be kicked back out on the street. Harsh.
Same with pensioners and people on the dole, got enough to be able to live but then probably back to nothing.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Exhibit A. Argue the man, not the argument.

So how is the science changing?

Dude! You were the one yesterday attacking him for not having a real job and calling him a Union puppet and such.
Dunno what that has got to do with science.
Yeah I do the go the man, when their getting paid to give their opinions.
Of course it's agenda driven and not objective.
Since when did you become so concerned about the public education system anyway?
Strange.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Dude! You were the one yesterday attacking him for not having a real job and calling him a Union puppet and such.
Dunno what that has got to do with science.
Yeah I do the go the man, when their getting paid to give their opinions.
Of course it's agenda driven and not objective.
Since when did you become so concerned about the public education system anyway?
Strange.

Because I like logic and have a brain that flips out when people behave illogically.
This is the case here. It was the case last weekend when it was unsafe to see mum for mothers day but two days later is safe.

They are making it up as they go along.

 

[feelinfeline]

the science shows children don’t transmit the virus. Schools closed.

The science doesn’t change. Schools open... but only if you’re prep, grade 1 or VCE. We are having the wool pulled over our eyes.

WHO don't share that sentiment. That is what I meant.
Children have gotten the virus but don't seem to spread it to others.

If you want something to back up your argument, you can always find a scientist somewhere who'll provide it.

Karol Sikora is famous for his amazing ability to find scientific evidence to back up right wing causes. But there are quite a few in the scientific community who don't take him seriously, including on coronavirus:

expert comments about oncologist Prof Karol Sikora’s tweets about how we could exit the lockdown | Science Media Centre

 

[Cataholic]

Because I like logic and have a brain that flips out when people behave illogically.
This is the case here. It was the case last weekend when it was unsafe to see mum for mothers day but two days later is safe.

They are making it up as they go along.

Well, the fact is that they're working through a situation that no-one has ever had to deal with before, so there's no instruction manual.

And, as always, there's differing opinions on how to proceed, and each thinks their way is better.

 

[feelinfeline]

Because I like logic and have a brain that flips out when people behave illogically.
This is the case here. It was the case last weekend when it was unsafe to see mum for mothers day but two days later is safe.

They are making it up as they go along.

So you have excuses for calling people names (e.g. sheep) but when other people do it it's unacceptable. Champagne comedy!

 

[Spazz Cat]

Because I like logic and have a brain that flips out when people behave illogically.
This is the case here. It was the case last weekend when it was unsafe to see mum for mothers day but two days later is safe.

They are making it up as they go along.

Now your concerned about Public Education and not being able to see your Mum.
You've really developed a sensitive side lately.
Look as I have said before I haven't been on board with all the restrictions (Australia wide) and I really, really wasn't on board with how the Vic Police were acting at the start of this thing.
But the Mothers Day thing (to me) actually made the most sense of anything.
The last thing you'd want is people hanging around older people.

 

[cats_09]

So you have excuses for calling people names (e.g. sheep) but when other people do it it's unacceptable. Champagne comedy!

Maybe it's just me, but I feel those using the insult of "sheep" against anyone who dares shows support for any level of restrictions is also extremely sheep like behaviour

It's like they have nothing original to say themselves, so they are all reverting to the same insult which isn't original & is just getting old - but they'll continue to revert to the same old insult, just like sheep

 

[Mr Meow]

WHO don't share that sentiment. That is what I meant.
Children have gotten the virus but don't seem to spread it to others.

I've been keeping up to date with WHO and their consensus is actually that they just don't have enough data to be sure, so recommend exercising caution. They certainly have not said "children don't spread coronavirus". Professors, such as the ones quoted in this article, agree that at the moment there is a worrying gap of knowledge in this area in particular.

Coronavirus, schools and children - what are the risks?

How much do children contribute to the spread of Covid?

www.bbc.co.uk

The WHO guidelines for when schools reopen state all of the social distancing measures must still be met, so children are still being treated as potential targets of the virus and threats as spreaders. I'm not against them gradually phasing schooling in, carefully following guidelines and getting data to see what the response is. But a cavalier approach of "just send everyone back in as normal" could potentially be a big problem.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So you have excuses for calling people names (e.g. sheep) but when other people do it it's unacceptable. Champagne comedy!

Did I name names? Just stated there's a sheep mentality occurring.
I won't apologise if that offends you, your problem not mine.

If you want something to back up your argument, you can always find a scientist somewhere who'll provide it.

Karol Sikora is famous for his amazing ability to find scientific evidence to back up right wing causes. But there are quite a few in the scientific community who don't take him seriously, including on coronavirus:

expert comments about oncologist Prof Karol Sikora’s tweets about how we could exit the lockdown | Science Media Centre

You just keep making my point, you've led me to an article that critiques a different remark made by that professor, used as weight as if that discredits him here.

Either A: Children can and do transmit the virus to adults; in which case why did national cabinet state it was safer? and why are we allowing them back very soon when public gatherings are limited to 5 people.
B: They don't transmit the virus to adults so why did our premier ignore national cabinet and close schools? and why stagger returns essentially disadvantaging 9/13 year levels as being inferior.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Now your concerned about Public Education and not being able to see your Mum.
You've really developed a sensitive side lately.
Look as I have said before I haven't been on board with all the restrictions (Australia wide) and I really, really wasn't on board with how the Vic Police were acting at the start of this thing.
But the Mothers Day thing (to me) actually made the most sense of anything.
The last thing you'd want is people hanging around older people.

You keep putting words in my mouth. I am concerned with actions that don't follow logic.

That is one instance.
Golf and fishing are another.
Our approach to schools is another.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Tries to have a crack at people getting "offended" over other peoples opinion.
Continues to cry and sook throughout the thread over other peoples opinions.
You cannot make up this kind of hypocritical comedy.

 

[Spazz Cat]

You keep putting words in my mouth. I am concerned with actions that don't follow logic.

That is one instance.
Golf and fishing are another.
Our approach to schools is another.

Fair enough. I was worried you were going a bit hipster there for a minute and about to go out and buy a scarf and a beret.
Yes golf and fishing make no sense. But there has been a shitload of things on a federal level that make no sense. Heaps!
It's just a bit weird the schools concern you so much today.
The school thing makes sense to me and I think it's a good thing.
Not cause of the virus, but from a logistical standpoint. I would of staggered it more.
It's going to be an epic shitfight all round.
And honestly it hasn't been a pain in the arse anyway.
My kids have gone to school every day since this started, and ScoMo has provided free before & after school care.
If one of them has to wait a few more days than another grade to get back to normal. It's ok! No biggy.

 

[feelinfeline]

Tries to have a crack at people getting "offended" over other peoples opinion.
Continues to cry and sook throughout the thread over other peoples opinions.
You cannot make up this kind of hypocritical comedy.

I value my own sanity too much to continue to reply to him.

Whatever makes him happy.

 

[Cataholic]

Fair enough. I was worried you were going a bit hipster there for a minute and about to go out and buy a scarf and a beret.
Yes golf and fishing make no sense. But there has been a shitload of things on a federal level that make no sense. Heaps!
It's just a bit weird the schools concern you so much today.
The school thing makes sense to me and I think it's a good thing.
Not cause of the virus, but from a logistical standpoint. I would of staggered it more.
It's going to be an epic shitfight all round.
And honestly it hasn't been a pain in the arse anyway.
My kids have gone to school every day since this started, and ScoMo has provided free before & after school care.
If one of them has to wait a few more days than another grade to get back to normal. It's ok! No biggy.

As I said before, there's no instruction manual on this thing.

No government, minister, health expert or country has had to deal with an issue of this type or scale in living memory.

So everything is being done on the fly, and mistakes are a natural consequence, as are the beliefs by different people that they know a 'better way'.

 

[David the Cat]

If you want something to back up your argument, you can always find a scientist somewhere who'll provide it.

Karol Sikora is famous for his amazing ability to find scientific evidence to back up right wing causes. But there are quite a few in the scientific community who don't take him seriously, including on coronavirus:

expert comments about oncologist Prof Karol Sikora’s tweets about how we could exit the lockdown | Science Media Centre

Thank you...beat me to it. A right wing hack who on multiple occasions fraudulently claimed a long standing professorship at Imperial College London forcing that very highly regarded institution to issue a blunt denial as follows...

"We can confirm that Karol Sikora is not on the staff at Imperial and does not hold the title of honorary professor of oncology," the rector of the college, Prof Sir Roy Anderson, said. "This individual has been warned before by the college for making claims that he is employed by us, or associated with us. His views are very certainly not the views of the college."

Sikora is an oncologist not an epidemiologist by the way, and if you need him to add some level of credibility to your argument, you must be really struggling.

Oh...on 8 April he stated that it looked as though the UK was "on the high plateau of infections"...and on 23 April of this year, commenting on the corona virus he confidently stated that the UK was "coming out of it now" Truly Trumpesque.

He'll probably pop up on Sky any day now.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

As I said before, there's no instruction manual on this thing.

No government, minister, health expert or country has had to deal with an issue of this type or scale in living memory.

So everything is being done on the fly, and mistakes are a natural consequence, as are the beliefs by different people that they know a 'better way'.

Not strictly true, seeing what ebola did in West Africa and fearing what a contagious airborne virus could do, in 2015 Barack Obama formed a pandemic taskforce and penned a 69 page playbook.

Unfortunately Trump neutered the taskforce, withdrew the specialists placed in China to monitor diseases and has completely ignored Obama’s playbook for early response to infectious diseases.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Not strictly true, seeing what ebola did in West Africa and fearing what a contagious airborne virus could do, in 2015 Barack Obama formed a pandemic taskforce and penned a 69 page playbook.

Unfortunately Trump neutered the taskforce, withdrew the specialists placed in China to monitor diseases and has completely ignored Obama’s playbook for early response to infectious diseases.

What do you think about Swedens response?

 

[Cataholic]

Not strictly true, seeing what ebola did in West Africa and fearing what a contagious airborne virus could do, in 2015 Barack Obama formed a pandemic taskforce and penned a 69 page playbook.

Unfortunately Trump neutered the taskforce, withdrew the specialists placed in China to monitor diseases and has completely ignored Obama’s playbook for early response to infectious diseases.

True in the sense that no other such disease has swept across the world so quickly, so easily