Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Carn The Berries]

Please explain how the Liberals would have done better. I'm not saying Labor are good, but that all neoliberal parties are dependent on market conditions.

Completely agree, but it does put the ALP in a tricky position. On one hand, they are wanting to spruik that it's increased government spending that is propping up growth, but that leaves them very vulnerable on the inflation front, as they can directly control the impact on CPI via that spending.

If Chalmers keeps going down the path of trying to blame the RBA for contributing to ongoing inflation challenges he might find himself having to answer more questions than he is asking.

 

[The Punter]

While conceding governments of both colours have been very happy to spend recently, I would think the ALP and the Liberals would have different ideas about what should be driving economic growth.

 

[Festerz]

News coming out that Bill Shorten is set to retire from politics.

Live: Former Labor leader Bill Shorten to announce retirement from politics

Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten has announced his retirement from politics after an almost two-decade-long career.

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Apart from the NDIS, his biggest and bravest achievement is surely announcing a comprehensive platform of taxation reforms in the lead up to the 2019 election which may well have cooled the devastating housing price bubble that has created a social crisis in housing affordability for the past 5 years.

We will never know, because the Shorten Labor Party got comprehensively thumped in the 2019 election by Scott Morrison in a loss that seemingly emulsified the collective spines of the Albanese Labor Government that was elected in 2022.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Completely agree, but it does put the ALP in a tricky position. On one hand, they are wanting to spruik that it's increased government spending that is propping up growth, but that leaves them very vulnerable on the inflation front, as they can directly control the impact on CPI via that spending.

If Chalmers keeps going down the path of trying to blame the RBA for contributing to ongoing inflation challenges he might find himself having to answer more questions than he is asking.

There's a solution to that, hike taxes on the rich and on corporate profits to take money out of the economy, while keeping their spending targeted to assist the most vulnerable. But they won't do that. It doesn't fit the agenda of their donors.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

While conceding governments of both colours have been very happy to spend recently, I would think the ALP and the Liberals would have different ideas about what should be driving economic growth.

I disagree, they both think the private sector should be driving it. Labor are more likely to think that needs to be supplemented by government spending perhaps, but they're not pursuing a giant intervention in the market to stimulate growth. Otherwise, they'd be embarking on a mass campaign of public housing construction right now.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

News coming out that Bill Shorten is set to retire from politics.

Live: Former Labor leader Bill Shorten to announce retirement from politics

Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten has announced his retirement from politics after an almost two-decade-long career.

www.abc.net.au

Apart from the NDIS, his biggest and bravest achievement is surely announcing a comprehensive platform of taxation reforms in the lead up to the 2019 election which may well have cooled the devastating housing price bubble that has created a social crisis in housing affordability for the past 5 years.

We will never know, because the Shorten Labor Party got comprehensively thumped in the 2019 election by Scott Morrison in a loss that seemingly emulsified the collective spines of the Albanese Labor Government that was elected in 2022.

What could have been.

 

[peetoo]

Absolutely the one thing we can all be certain of is that this historically bad economy, the worst in 30 years with Australians real incomes dropping faster that all other developed economies in the world is not Labor's fault.

Some countries already adjusting interest rates down

 

[NSWCROW]

Apart from the NDIS, his biggest and bravest achievement is surely announcing a comprehensive platform of taxation reforms in the lead up to the 2019 election which may well have cooled the devastating housing price bubble that has created a social crisis in housing affordability for the past 5 years.

All those dense campaigners out there still waiting their " muh frankun credutts "

gg Australia

 

[Swan4Life]

And personally I can’t see the Coalition forming a majority government again in the next twenty years, and that is a very good thing.

You really must live in a parallel universe.

We've had 6 consecutive quarters of per capita GDP contraction. It's a large recession hidden only by uncontrolled migration.

We just had a miserly 0.2% of economic growth in the June quarter.

We have a Reserve Bank governor - Albo's own DEI hire - telling Albo to reign in spending, and who Albo's treasurer continues to attack in the media.

And the latest two-party preferred poll has it at a 50-50 deadlock, which is trending away from the ALP. And we are potentially 6-8 months away from an election.

And yet you seriously think the coalition can't or won't form government in the next 7 election cycles?

Good luck with that.

 

[Chief]

uncontrolled migration

You think there are no controls on migration?

 

[Gralin]

News coming out that Bill Shorten is set to retire from politics.

Live: Former Labor leader Bill Shorten to announce retirement from politics

Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten has announced his retirement from politics after an almost two-decade-long career.

www.abc.net.au

Apart from the NDIS, his biggest and bravest achievement is surely announcing a comprehensive platform of taxation reforms in the lead up to the 2019 election which may well have cooled the devastating housing price bubble that has created a social crisis in housing affordability for the past 5 years.

We will never know, because the Shorten Labor Party got comprehensively thumped in the 2019 election by Scott Morrison in a loss that seemingly emulsified the collective spines of the Albanese Labor Government that was elected in 2022.

and look what he's done to the NDIS this time around

absolutely disgraceful

I don't have much faith that he would have lived up to the hype to be honest

 

[peetoo]

You really must live in a parallel universe.

We've had 6 consecutive quarters of per capita GDP contraction. It's a large recession hidden only by uncontrolled migration.

We just had a miserly 0.2% of economic growth in the June quarter.

We have a Reserve Bank governor - Albo's own DEI hire - telling Albo to reign in spending, and who Albo's treasurer continues to attack in the media.

And the latest two-party preferred poll has it at a 50-50 deadlock, which is trending away from the ALP. And we are potentially 6-8 months away from an election.

And yet you seriously think the coalition can't or won't form government in the next 7 election cycles?

Good luck with that.

The coalition don’t have a plan to form majority govt. waiting for teals to fall over is not a plan

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

You really must live in a parallel universe.

We've had 6 consecutive quarters of per capita GDP contraction. It's a large recession hidden only by uncontrolled migration.

We just had a miserly 0.2% of economic growth in the June quarter.

We have a Reserve Bank governor - Albo's own DEI hire - telling Albo to reign in spending, and who Albo's treasurer continues to attack in the media.

And the latest two-party preferred poll has it at a 50-50 deadlock, which is trending away from the ALP. And we are potentially 6-8 months away from an election.

And yet you seriously think the coalition can't or won't form government in the next 7 election cycles?

Good luck with that.

The problem the Liberals lost the bread and butter seats to the teals.

They also have a problem of the younger generations aren't getting conservative as they get older. The older generation are dying out those votes aren't getting replaced.

We aren't too far away from Millennials and Gen Z being the largest voting group. Those two aren't becoming conservative.

The Coalition could lose 35 seats as older voters die and younger ones stay left, think tank warns

A Centre for Independent Studies report shows that the Coalition would need unprecedented support from older generations in order to win coming elections with the projected loss of young voters.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

News coming out that Bill Shorten is set to retire from politics.

Live: Former Labor leader Bill Shorten to announce retirement from politics

Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten has announced his retirement from politics after an almost two-decade-long career.

www.abc.net.au

Apart from the NDIS, his biggest and bravest achievement is surely announcing a comprehensive platform of taxation reforms in the lead up to the 2019 election which may well have cooled the devastating housing price bubble that has created a social crisis in housing affordability for the past 5 years.

We will never know, because the Shorten Labor Party got comprehensively thumped in the 2019 election by Scott Morrison in a loss that seemingly emulsified the collective spines of the Albanese Labor Government that was elected in 2022.

Only last week in a press article about Albo’s lacklustre polling I saw speculation about a possible leadership challenge from Shorten.

This news proves conclusively that sometimes the media don’t know nearly as much as they want us to believe they do.

Or that the media are more than happy to try to get a rumour going, despite the actual reality of the matter.

 

[Gralin]

The problem the Liberals lost the bread and butter seats to the teals.

They also have a problem of the younger generations aren't getting conservative as they get older. The older generation are dying out those votes aren't getting replaced.

We aren't too far away from Millennials and Gen Z being the largest voting group. Those two aren't becoming conservative.

The Coalition could lose 35 seats as older voters die and younger ones stay left, think tank warns

A Centre for Independent Studies report shows that the Coalition would need unprecedented support from older generations in order to win coming elections with the projected loss of young voters.

www.abc.net.au

there is still a decent chunk of young conservatives

there are conservatives in all age brackets

I think younger voters are less into the major parties and we'll see their primaries drop but they'll go to independents or smaller parties

its happening already

 

[Rob R]

News coming out that Bill Shorten is set to retire from politics.

Live: Former Labor leader Bill Shorten to announce retirement from politics

Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten has announced his retirement from politics after an almost two-decade-long career.

www.abc.net.au

Apart from the NDIS, his biggest and bravest achievement is surely announcing a comprehensive platform of taxation reforms in the lead up to the 2019 election which may well have cooled the devastating housing price bubble that has created a social crisis in housing affordability for the past 5 years.

We will never know, because the Shorten Labor Party got comprehensively thumped in the 2019 election by Scott Morrison in a loss that seemingly emulsified the collective spines of the Albanese Labor Government that was elected in 2022.

Jumping into a cushy Uni Job earning nearly 1.8M a year (no wonder unis are so focussed on immigration scams rather than education when they pay non educators so much) on top of the usual pollies grotesque pension deal and other benefits.



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[Pakenhamsaint]

there is still a decent chunk of young conservatives

there are conservatives in all age brackets

I think younger voters are less into the major parties and we'll see their primaries drop but they'll go to independents or smaller parties

its happening already

There are but it's a massive minority. The majors getting dumped is happening. If the Greens play thier cards right they can be big winners but the vote overall will be very fractured.

 

[The Punter]

There are but it's a massive minority. The majors getting dumped is happening. If the Greens play thier cards right they can be big winners but the vote overall will be very fractured.

The Greens will face the same fork in the road as all the other minors once they reach a certain level of popularity: do they lean to the middle to expand their base or stick with their ideological roots?

Getting a nationwide primary above 15% through multiple election cycles is really hard.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Jumping into a cushy Uni Job earning nearly 1.8M a year (no wonder unis are so focussed on immigration scams rather than education when they pay non educators so much) on top of the usual pollies grotesque pension deal and other benefits.



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Yep nudged out no doubt - this is how parties work - if you’re occupying a safe seat then you need to be a major asset or a potential one.

Shorten may be a good operator (or may not be) but he’s not hugely popular with the masses and won’t be a future leader or treasurer… so he’s been edged out so they can parachute a Next Big Thing into the seat.

Bill for his part gets some huge $ cushy gigs for his “retirement”.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The Greens will face the same fork in the road as all the other minors once they reach a certain level of popularity: do they lean to the middle to expand their base or stick with their ideological roots?

Getting a nationwide primary above 15% through multiple election cycles is really hard.

I don't think they're going to go middle. They'll stick to what is working. They'll keep making small gains and taking 1 or 2 seats.

 

[Saint]

I don't think they're going to go middle. They'll stick to what is working. They'll keep making small gains and taking 1 or 2 seats.

They're making stuff-all gains, really. Compared to how many people have left the majors (20%), the Greens have only picked up 1 or 2%. There probably needs to be a splintering of the left to split the economic progressives from the tree-huggers. I'm all for taxing corporations waaayyy more than they are now and opposing genocide. But the whole "ban everything we don't like" doesn't really work for me.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

They're making stuff-all gains, really. Compared to how many people have left the majors (20%), the Greens have only picked up 1 or 2%. There probably needs to be a splintering of the left to split the economic progressives from the tree-huggers. I'm all for taxing corporations waaayyy more than they are now and opposing genocide. But the whole "ban everything we don't like" doesn't really work for me.

They are gaining seats though. Sure not at any great pace but that's thier tactic to target individual seats and shore them up. 14 years ago they gained thier first seat. It's now 4.

They will become a bigger player in Canberra along with independents/teals. Labor getting shitty with them isn't by accident. They know they're going to be a bigger threat in coming years.

 

[Gralin]

They're making stuff-all gains, really. Compared to how many people have left the majors (20%), the Greens have only picked up 1 or 2%. There probably needs to be a splintering of the left to split the economic progressives from the tree-huggers. I'm all for taxing corporations waaayyy more than they are now and opposing genocide. But the whole "ban everything we don't like" doesn't really work for me.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[The Punter]

At some stage, the Greens will think about the question "what do we need to do electorally in order to govern?"

And that will be the fork in the road. If there pick off a seat here and seat here and shore it up, electorally they are the inner city Nats.

 

[Number37]

At some stage, the Greens will think about the question "what do we need to do electorally in order to govern?"

And that will be the fork in the road. If there pick off a seat here and seat here and shore it up, electorally they are the inner city Nats.

When have the Nats ever looked after the bush people they represent?