Or he is a bloke who wants to be a senior Afl coach, and an opportunity arose to work with Clarko.
If you want to be a senior coach, being an assistant under Clarko looks good on ur cv. So a smart move by Sir Scott to further his career prospects.
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If you want to be a senior coach, being an assistant under Clarko looks good on ur cv. So a smart move by Sir Scott to further his career prospects.
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With Harvey and Sanderson staying and Buckley as coach, it will be very hard for any new assistants coming in to have any great impact on the game plan.
To me the only way for Buckley to stay was to have a Richmond like clean out and start a fresh.
With Buckleys partners in crime staying on, it will make it harder to have change and improvement.
It's going to take a person with a very strong personality and character to make any great change to this mob!
Interesting times. So many points to ponder...
Pebs is a great bloke, but if he is / was the only development coach that we have / had, no wonder we have seen minimal development in our players. No idea how he landed this role in the first place... to save money is the only obvious answer. & this, I believe, is what Ed was referring to when he said we've looked after the football club at the expense of the team... football department spending. Pert's departure, either way, also linked to this in some way surely.
Davoren gone seems a popular choice. Wonder if the players orchestrated this, or the coach, or Walsh. Our fitness base seemed good for most of this year, and you cant blame davoren for ankle and knee injuries, though our strength and power / explosiveness around the ground has fallen behind the rest of the competition. Was this Bill's fault, or simply the players we recruited with lower physical capability ceilings? Greenwood, Pendles & Sidey will never be quick, Faz will never have a big tank, and Broomhead, Steele, Hoskin-Elliott, Shaz and Aish never look like becoming enforcers. Next year will be interesting to see what comes of all this.
Recruiting / List management must be next to be sorted, with changes surely imminent. Would be fascinating to know the dynamic between Bucks and Hine. The list seems to be well out of balance, but Bucks has consistently said that he has the players he needed to challenge, with health and time / natural growth the only things holding us back. So how much has he driven the personnel dynamic? He must now know that this is an area that needs to fixed... but how much has the ship sailed in landing key talent, with the club hamstrung by overpaid players like Mayne & Wells, underperforming players in key spots like White, Keefe, Greenwood, Broomhead, Blair, Cox (forward), and Aish.
& I still fear that potentially our best assistant coach - and the only one out of contract that seemed to challenge Bucks - is now gone, out of his own volition. The fact that Ben hart called this out, shows the two obviously had the same problems with the core set-up - which hasn't changed - and were more than happy to air it.
Roos in would surely be a positive addition, but how much of his coming would be about topping up his pension plan, vs a genuine fire to see us succeed? Likewise Hird... though I dont mind this idea. We should be better at targeting ex-coaches that still have a fire to win & share knowledge. Failing to land any of Ratten, McCartney, Lepper, Voss, Craig, Rawlings, Barker, Watters, Primus, McKenna, Roos, Knights or even Choco Williams in some capacity has been a mistake imo. Though the club did finally get on board with the signing of Sando last year.
Also lile the idea of 'operation get Luke Hodge'. Who wouldn't.
So Roos as mentor, Harvey to midfield, Hird to forwards, Hodge to backs... and the next Brad Lloyd, Alan Richardson or Beveridge to player development. I'd be happy with that.
Pebs is a great bloke, but if he is / was the only development coach that we have / had, no wonder we have seen minimal development in our players. No idea how he landed this role in the first place... to save money is the only obvious answer. & this, I believe, is what Ed was referring to when he said we've looked after the football club at the expense of the team... football department spending. Pert's departure, either way, also linked to this in some way surely.
Davoren gone seems a popular choice. Wonder if the players orchestrated this, or the coach, or Walsh. Our fitness base seemed good for most of this year, and you cant blame davoren for ankle and knee injuries, though our strength and power / explosiveness around the ground has fallen behind the rest of the competition. Was this Bill's fault, or simply the players we recruited with lower physical capability ceilings? Greenwood, Pendles & Sidey will never be quick, Faz will never have a big tank, and Broomhead, Steele, Hoskin-Elliott, Shaz and Aish never look like becoming enforcers. Next year will be interesting to see what comes of all this.
Recruiting / List management must be next to be sorted, with changes surely imminent. Would be fascinating to know the dynamic between Bucks and Hine. The list seems to be well out of balance, but Bucks has consistently said that he has the players he needed to challenge, with health and time / natural growth the only things holding us back. So how much has he driven the personnel dynamic? He must now know that this is an area that needs to fixed... but how much has the ship sailed in landing key talent, with the club hamstrung by overpaid players like Mayne & Wells, underperforming players in key spots like White, Keefe, Greenwood, Broomhead, Blair, Cox (forward), and Aish.
& I still fear that potentially our best assistant coach - and the only one out of contract that seemed to challenge Bucks - is now gone, out of his own volition. The fact that Ben hart called this out, shows the two obviously had the same problems with the core set-up - which hasn't changed - and were more than happy to air it.
Roos in would surely be a positive addition, but how much of his coming would be about topping up his pension plan, vs a genuine fire to see us succeed? Likewise Hird... though I dont mind this idea. We should be better at targeting ex-coaches that still have a fire to win & share knowledge. Failing to land any of Ratten, McCartney, Lepper, Voss, Craig, Rawlings, Barker, Watters, Primus, McKenna, Roos, Knights or even Choco Williams in some capacity has been a mistake imo. Though the club did finally get on board with the signing of Sando last year.
Also lile the idea of 'operation get Luke Hodge'. Who wouldn't.
So Roos as mentor, Harvey to midfield, Hird to forwards, Hodge to backs... and the next Brad Lloyd, Alan Richardson or Beveridge to player development. I'd be happy with that.
We might have but when you stop and think about it how on earth would individuals working at other clubs have any real idea how good an opposition assistant is and choose to award one of them either?
They'd know about as much as us.
Makes no sense to me and it's akin to our players voting in the 1,2,3 of a best and fairest for an opposition club.
Hell even that makes more sense.
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Perhaps my wording or phrasing came across harshly on Burns. That was not my intention. All the power to him for going to Hawks and furthering senior coaching aspirations.
It was more meant as a dig at those that have been pointing to Richmond and saying our restructure would bring fruit like it did for Dimma. As in tigerland a BFF joined Dimma and at pie land a BFF leaves Bucks.
Burns was without doubt our best assistant. Highly regarded at wce. Almost got the crows job at one point I think.
Also our best area on the ground was in the mids. Burns was mid field coach yeah? Wonder if that will hurt our contested possession and set ups etc.
Ben hart announcing burns departure the other day is also interesting. Considering his criticism of Bucks this year, perhaps hart and burns have ended up closer mates as the whole thing has washed out.
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One can only hope.
I reckon Burns will be our next coach after Buckley.
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Have you watch our backline structure at work.
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Yes, the backline were good this year.
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Much improved from last year
On what basis was Burns "without doubt our best assistant"?
Love to have a full report into how good or bad all of our assistant coaches performed in 2017.
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No they were not. Our mids got the ball inside fwd 50 a hell of a lot more than previous years. This allowed our whole team to press up and contain a lot of the play to between the arcs. The amount of goals over the top or when our defence was stretched or from kick outs where teams went Coast to coast was still poor.
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Seems to me like we had less coast to coast goals this year, and scored more of them ourselves.
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He was highly regarded at wce, almost got the crows gig and our best on field department was the one he was in charge of. He's also the only assistant going to Hawthorn. I'll take Clarko's endorsement over Sando and Harvey anyday.
Our backline did pretty well considering it was relying on a 30yr old Melbourne reject and The Sack as KPDs for a large portion of the season.
Our biggest failing was the disconnect between mids and forwards. This created some woeful turnovers where we gifted the ball to opposition half back and they could just launch the ball into space on the rebound.
Improve our F50 delivery and we would be ok...but is that Burns, Sando, Bucks or the 'skills' coach Mcnamara's fault?
Pick your scapegoat I guess!?
That isn't an assessment.
Sanderson was regarded that highly as an assistant that he actually got the crows gig!!
Harvey was regarded that highly as an assistant that he was awarded the assistant coach of the year by the aflca.
You are just ranting
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Well then I guess you can sign up to champion data and find out for us then.
From the naked eye and my memory, we still gave up far too many Coast to coast goals, points and scoring opportunities. It happened regularly from kick outs.
Considering we scored an extra 34 points in total on 2016, I don't think we've much to crow about re: scoring Coast to coast.
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Hahaha welcome to the world of forums mate. Hate to break it to you but we can all pretty much be defined as ranters. Yourself included.
Again Clarko is all the endorsement I need. Burns is best. Can't change my mind. Clarko loves him. He's moved up to the 12th team in the comp. Back to the finals in 2018 for Burnsy
4 years?! I thought one or 2 at best! It's time I consult google, not my memory. A sad indictment of a life misspent.
Or...he's part of a Clarko succession plan. 'Burnsy you do two years under me, then I go take Buck's job and you can have mine, because by then I'll have had enough of Hawthorn'...
But I suspect your theory could be closer to the truth...or at least as far as Burnsy sees it..
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Sir Scott would do well to broaden his portfolio, to my knowledge all he had done is assistant mid roles...mix it up if you want a senior gig Sir Scott.
At least Banger Harvey takes on different portfolios.
One bloke I don't get is Lockyer, used to do some VFL volunteering and Lockyer didn't impress on match day.
Must be a good bloke
Yeah Sir Scott arrived end of 2013, since he joined coaching ranks we never made finals....perhaps Sir Scott was the problem??4 years?! I thought one or 2 at best! It's time I consult google, not my memory. A sad indictment of a life misspent.
I don't pretend to know if Burns has been competent or ineffectual at the Pies. But Hawthorn want him and he seems a class above Rocca, Lockyer or Harvey.
Several semi-respected posters claim Burns is surplus goods, an unproductive assistant and a negative addition to the Hawks coaching panel.
I thought he oozed quality on several levels and his experience and profile seemed to complement the coaching team .
So the metaphorical (or is it more anthropomorphic?) horse I backed has either bolted for better stables at the Hawks, or would otherwise have been sold to a knackery. The Hawk's gain is a plus to us.
Your assumption is not correct.
Under the AFL Coaches association rules, clubs had to inform their assistant coaches by August 1 if they had a contract for next year. Like most of Collingwood's assistant coaches (with the exception of Sanderson & Gotch who are both contracted for next year), Burns was out of contract and had been advised, like all coaches there, that as yet they could not be offered a new contract and so were free to explore their options at other clubs.
Hawthorn made him and offer two weeks ago and due to the uncertainty at the club he accepted it.
He gave his mate 4 years. It seems that the only one of our Assistant Coaches the other teams rate is Burns.
It may also mean that he disagrees with findings of the Warren Commissions report that Pert, Davoren and Rocca are the cause of all of Collingwood's failures over the past 6 years and he didn't want to be the patsy
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So the grand review was to sack about 3 people and keep Buckley. How's that any different from the other 6 years? This club is going deeper and deeper in to hole thanks to Eddie and Bucks.
