News Assistant coach changes for 2018... BUMPED p42, now discussing potential 2019 promotions to other clubs

How do you rate our assistant coaching changes for 2018?

  • 5. Outstanding

    Votes: 8 9.5%

  • 4. Very good

    Votes: 38 45.2%

  • 3. Good (we could have done worse)

    Votes: 24 28.6%

  • 2. Fair (we could have done better)

    Votes: 9 10.7%

  • 1. Poor

    Votes: 5 6.0%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 4 4.8%

  • I like that we've restructured their responsibilities (ball movement, team defence, etc)

    Votes: 17 20.2%

  • I don't like that we've restructured their responsibilities (ball movement, team defence, etc)

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • I like that we've spilt the midfield role into transition and stoppages

    Votes: 17 20.2%

  • I don't like that we've split the midfield role into transition and stoppages

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .

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Rocca staying in part time role.

This is ****ing farcical really.

The review has got rid of our highest rated (by other clubs) assistant coach and made the obvious move of Davoren gone (which any club would have made 2 years ago).

Yeah it's a mess. An Eddie Mcguire created mess.
 

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mattys123 said:
Rocca staying in part time role.

This is ******* farcical really.

The review has got rid of our highest rated (by other clubs) assistant coach and made the obvious move of Davoren gone (which any club would have made 2 years ago).

Yeah it's a mess. An Eddie Mcguire created mess.
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Where did you see that?
 
What would the club even release a statement 'wishing him and his family well for the future' if they're going to offer him another role anyway?

Wtf?
 
jmac70 said:
Thanks for that. I personally don't have an issue with that, apparently has a good connection with Grundy.
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Just seems that this whole spiel that Ed went on about needing change at the club hasn't come about at all.

I could almost understand keeping Bucks as coach if there was massive change around him, because quite clearly a lot hasn't been working well at Collingwood over the past 5 seasons.

Yet now we've really made one change, Burns, who as it turns out was approached weeks back by the Hawks to change clubs, so if anything it's a mutual decision that would have happended regardless of any review.
 
wicksy said:
Oh I thought you were my stalker :(
I am sad.
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Maggie5 said:
Don't be sad, I have my own personal stalker on here for the past 7 years and it is really not that much fun.
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What they do is derail threads again and again and ruin what should be good content.
This discussion needs to be had and you are doing the right thing, but it's still tedious for all others. You'd think they had better things to do but probably not.

Back on topic, care little about these assistants as I don't follow it closely to know which ones are good or bad, I do know how to resource the good posters from the bad, the funny to the cringe-worthy, and my advice if you have a stalker and I can confirm you both do, do what I did and put said poster on ignore don't give it the attention it craves, they never existed. :thumbsu:
 
mattys123 said:
Just seems that this whole spiel that Ed went on about needing change at the club hasn't come about at all.

I could almost understand keeping Bucks as coach if there was massive change around him, because quite clearly a lot hasn't been working well at Collingwood over the past 5 seasons.

Yet now we've really made one change, Burns, who as it turns out was approached weeks back by the Hawks to change clubs, so if anything it's a mutual decision that would have happended regardless of any review.
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Let's wait until after the season finishes to see what the final coaching team looks like. As for Rocca, it sounds like the club is looking after him, which I like.
 

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doodles98 said:
There is still a flicker of optimism in you I see Sco. I lost my faith in cunning plans and long term plays back with the Gubby saga and the last trade period debacle. I was sure Fyfe was our prize for Mayne!

Undoubtedly though, Bucks does not have an unconditional 2 years and the club would have a fall back strategy... you would think.

Lots more to play out but at the moment I'm underwhelmed by the scope of the "organisational change". The calibre of the new appointees is yet to be seen of course and that is the crucial thing. In my view they will need to be extremely forceful types if we are to see any benefit out of it. Freakin Boyd is not what we need!!!
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What option do I have other than to try and understand the decision makers for the movements of the past week? They are bewildering if you consider it from a results driven POV, but there is a fragment of logic to them if we consider that they were only the first steps in a 2-3 year plan to have us contending again. Rome wasn't built in a day afterall...

We all remember 04-06 where we built through the draft and we could all see that 2010 was going to be the crescendo. I can't see that ATM. When is our next flag tilt arriving? I can't see it before 2020 and by then Reid, Pendles and Steele will all be 29+ so we need to build the foundation again. Because all we've seen since 2014 is a bunch of moves designed to have us competitive in the here and now. Perhaps the decision was made that we're not going to think short term anymore and start by fixing certain elements of the FD.

If Buckley succeeds in 2018 with that solid foundation built on the back of a new head of HP, a new CEO and a new direction of list management he deserves the second season. If not we find a replacement and we don't lose out the back end because in 12 months time all our assistants will be OOC (I'd be certain Harvey and Lockyer only got 12 month contracts). To this point though regardless of who we bring in we're going to be about on par from an IP perspective and potentially behind.

It completely flies in the face of good governance and accountability where you just replace the guy that's failed as consistently as Buckley, but again that says more for the board than the coach. It does also explain the frankly pathetic reasoning McGuire has since used to endorse Buckley.
 
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Scodog10 said:
What option do I have other than to try and understand the decision makers for the movements of the past week? They are bewildering if you consider it from a results driven POV, but there is a fragment of logic to them if we consider that they were only the first steps in a 2-3 year plan to have us contending again. Rome wasn't built in a day afterall...

We all remember 04-06 where we built through the draft and we could all see that 2010 was going to be the crescendo. I can't see that ATM. When is our next flag tilt arriving? I can't see it before 2020 and by then Reid, Pendles and Steele will all be 29+ so we need to build the foundation again. Because all we've seen since 2014 is a bunch of moves designed to have us competitive in the here and now. Perhaps the decision was made that we're not going to think short term anymore and start by fixing certain elements of the FD.

If Buckley succeeds in 2018 with that solid foundation built on the back of a new head of HP, a new CEO and a new direction of list management he deserves the second season. If not we find a replacement and we don't lose out the back end because in 12 months time all our assistants will be OOC (I'd be certain Harvey and Lockyer only got 12 month contracts). To this point though regardless of who we bring in we're going to be about on par from an IP perspective and potentially behind.

It completely flies in the face of good governance and accountability where you just replace the guy that's failed as consistently as Buckley, but again that says more for the board than the coach. It does also explain the frankly pathetic reasoning McGuire has since used to endorse Buckley.
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We have reappointed Bucks. While we should be making arrangements to cover all eventualities, I hope we are not making FD appointments and contracts for next year on the basis that he WILL fail and will be replaced. I hope we are being genuine here about giving him the best possible chance.
I disagree with the idea of us forgetting finals for the short term. Next year will be the 5th if we miss finals. For the psyche and culture of the club we need to push everything into making finals.. otherwise we're half way to becoming a Melbourne. We have enough list talent to make finals and the right age demographic. Should be the mandatory pass mark imv.

After deciding to reappoint the coach, the next step was to get a totally new energy and dynamic and quality to the assistants and FD around him. I had hoped we weren't going to be half arsed about it, which is how it is starting to appear.
Btw. Do you know if there has been a change in our policy not to pay the FD tax?
 
jmac70 said:
It's good to see the big fella staying.
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So Burns being poached by the Hawks is the only assistant we are saying bye bye too? The others have all been confirmed staying yes? Rocca and the other assistants stay but maybe change roles. How does this equate to substantive change and not just tinkering around the edges? I thought you would have hoped for substantial change here too Jmac.
 
doodles98 said:
So Burns being poached by the Hawks is the only assistant we are saying bye bye too? The others have all been confirmed staying yes? Rocca and the other assistants stay but maybe change roles. How does this equate to substantive change and not just tinkering around the edges? I thought you would have hoped for substantial change here too Jmac.
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There may be some more changes once the season is over.
 
Apex36 said:
What would the club even release a statement 'wishing him and his family well for the future' if they're going to offer him another role anyway?

Wtf?
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Was shown the door and club did a u turn when Blair wanted to know who his new ruck coach was?:p

Hopefully we've given everything more thought then that but it does look like the review is Ed's smoke and mirrors (more about appearances than real change, Pert & Davoren going notwithstanding.)
 

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