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[THE THIN MAN]

It would be a refreshing change if we could hit a target by hand or foot!

 

[OhDustinMartin]

Midfield is a problem but y'all need to chill the **** out.

We have brought in two guys directly into the starting mix. This is an entirely different mix, probably the most significant change since Jackson, Tuck, Foley stepped out in 2012-13.

Taranto and Hopper will figure it out, there's nothing like the stress test of a month of AFL footy. Remember how long it took Tarrant last year? Lynch (arguably) in 2019 was in a funk until post-bye.

I think we lose more than we gain by omitting Ryan. Has had three awful games in equally awful conditions in his first five games. When it was dry, he kicked three goals and looked great. Would debate using Miller in future if it wet though.

Mansell and Cumbo likewise need time. Cumbo on another day kicks 3 and has 21 touches, and is near best-on. Mansell's running and tackling have improved up forward, finishing needs work but he's also barely had to worry about kicking at goal for his entire career.

Think all those kids need to stay in for as much of the year as possible. Clarke and Ralphy running power is exciting. Sonsie is class but another who was shown up by the wet. Young good signs, outside of horrendously clumsy frees given away.

Grimes is a worry. Has been the worst of our backs this year. When Broad/Tarrant come back it's out (probably) Young and...who?

Also why the **** did we spend a quarter handballing in the wet...?

 

[Barnzy]

"Big ban looms" lol

 

[smasha]

He pulls away before contact,no chance he goes for that.

Big ban looms for Jay Clark after false claims in bs clickbait piece.

 

[SavDog23]

If Lynch gets suspended because he got pushed into some bloke that wasn't looking where he was running then we gotta show Danger's hit on Vlastuin and say that was more intentional in a GF and that got **** all weeks.

 

[Downtown06]

But Dimma doesn't tag

Sick of that technique, if we don't tag then how come our midfielder aren't dominating?? Ours get tagged more often then not

 

[DickieKnee]

If Lynch gets suspended because he got pushed into some bloke that wasn't looking where he was running then we gotta show Danger's hit on Vlastuin and say that was more intentional in a GF and that got **** all weeks.

Dangers hit didn't even get a free kick!

 

[Muddiemoose]

"Big ban looms" lol

Jeeeze old mate Clarke must be down on his click quota for the month so needs to throw out the bait

 

[LTT]

They got very good games from English, Bont and Libba. They would have beaten plenty of teams yesterday. We're clearly playing with an eye on the second half of this season. Make the eight and build a team that can win finals this year and for the next few.

We're not playing good footy at the moment. We yet haven't found the right mix of players and game style. That doesn't mean the playing talent isn't there. It doesn't mean the coaches have forgotten how to coach. We'll be ok.

One more thing. Poor bloody Sampson Ryan must think that AFL football is only every played at the MCG when it's raining.

I agree with you. We had 7 players with less than 20 games. We need to manage some players into the side and some into retirement. Also I think the second quarter run started the Sampson in the ruck. He needs about 10 more kg’s and dedicate himself to the ruck. Maybe Nank could lose 10kg and become a forward

 

[Tiges1229]

When it comes to umpiring, it's the "game sense" thing that gets to most of us. Seemingly no concept of where the game is at, how game has been played, prevailing ground and weather conditions etc. Swans v Port was an appallingly umpired game, and I didn't see it, but apparently North v Blues just as bad.

I don’t give a **** what anyone says umpires are corrupt as are the AFL anyone who thinks other are deluded , like Fri game norffff who I can’t stand by the way we’re in control of that game , umps come in for the scum 4 charity frees in the 3 rd all in front of goal , momentum swing Norff players lose confidence scum kick away .
Deboy and Ogorman despise our club again anyone who follows and watches our games when one of these campaigners umpires knows we will get ****ed over.

 

[TigFan1966]

Not that I like stats but we got pounded in the centre clearances yesterday:

Centre Clearances: Us - 8, Dogs - 16

With the way the game is played and the six - six - six rule you're behind the eight ball from the start if the other teams kicks it straight into their forward line.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Midfield is a problem but y'all need to chill the * out.

We have brought in two guys directly into the starting mix. This is an entirely different mix, probably the most significant change since Jackson, Tuck, Foley stepped out in 2012-13.

Taranto and Hopper will figure it out, there's nothing like the stress test of a month of AFL footy. Remember how long it took Tarrant last year? Lynch (arguably) in 2019 was in a funk until post-bye.

I think we lose more than we gain by omitting Ryan. Has had three awful games in equally awful conditions in his first five games. When it was dry, he kicked three goals and looked great. Would debate using Miller in future if it wet though.

Mansell and Cumbo likewise need time. Cumbo on another day kicks 3 and has 21 touches, and is near best-on. Mansell's running and tackling have improved up forward, finishing needs work but he's also barely had to worry about kicking at goal for his entire career.

Think all those kids need to stay in for as much of the year as possible. Clarke and Ralphy running power is exciting. Sonsie is class but another who was shown up by the wet. Young good signs, outside of horrendously clumsy frees given away.

Grimes is a worry. Has been the worst of our backs this year. When Broad/Tarrant come back it's out (probably) Young and...who?

Also why the * did we spend a quarter handballing in the wet...?

Spot on

Cumberland’s ability to create opportunities inside f50, is really impressive. Defensively he was very good , from memory 6 tackles. Enough said about his kicking, it was one of those days.

Clarke is going to be a very good player, the guy who you want on this end of a chain.

HRS looked as good as I’ve seen at the AFL level yesterday. Didn’t panic or fumble under pressure. Think he’ll get some belief after that performance.

Grimes is struggling as is meatball. Both have soft tissue injuries over their careers and father time is catching up. Can’t expect these guys to be the players they were in their mid 20s

 

[domin8]

Jeeeze old mate Clarke must be down on his click quota for the month so needs to throw out the bait

Not once but twice

 

[beema limapep]

Do you watch other games? Bad calls happen in every single game. It’s just the way the game is because of the interpretations.

The AFL aren’t telling the umpires to go against us so we lose. Some of you might need to seek help.

You are arguing probabilities which are mathematically non-sensical.

But for starters, I do watch other games. The north v carlton game was horrifically umpired. Go read the main board thread for my repeated comments.

Now, statistically we are the most penalised team over the past 6 years (consistently). Every year.

If umpiring was consistently bad we would be randomly represented in free kicks differential. Which is the core of your arguement.

With consistent umpiring (your belief), the statistical chance of being last in free kick differentials for 6 years of 198 games per year, for all 18 teams, is 18x18x18x18x18x18.

Imagine Richmond rolling an 18 sided dice and coming up with the number 18 for 6 times in a row.

Probability is a 1 in 34,012,224 chance.

Now read the book.

There also doesn't have to be a formal conspiracy where interests align. We know there was an umpire who was stood down for alleged betting. Same with the NBA.

It's human nature.

Now of that 1 in 34 million chance, how much can be attributed to 'we play rough'

Even if we percieved to be in the top 2 (teams to play rough the probability of finishing 18th 6 years in a row is a 2x2x2x2x2x2 which is 1 in 64 chance (less than 2 % probability).

 

[prodigy]

Bagging

Bagging umpires after a close and annoying loss is just part of being a fan.....

Are you new here? It happens when we win as well.

 

[Groupie_]

lmao barracking for big ban

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Jane Cornes on ch9 this morning crucifying Lynch
He chose to bump according to Jane

My read was he had his eyes on the ball right up to a split second before he saw Keith at which stage he braces himself instinctively for contact

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

You are arguing probabilities which are mathematically non-sensical.

But for starters, I do watch other games. The north v carlton game was horrifically umpired. Go read the main board thread for my repeated comments.

Now, statistically we are the most penalised team over the past 6 years (consistently). Every year.

If umpiring was consistently bad we would be randomly represented in free kicks differential. Which is the core of your arguement.

With consistent umpiring (your belief), the statistical chance of being last in free kick differentials for 6 years of 198 games per year, for all 18 teams, is 18x18x18x18x18x18.

Imagine Richmond rolling an 18 sided dice and coming up with the number 18 for 6 times in a row.

Probability is a 1 in 34,012,224 chance.

Now read the book.

There also doesn't have to be a formal conspiracy where interests align. We know there was an umpire who was stood down for alleged betting. Same with the NBA.

It's human nature.

Now of that 1 in 34 million chance, how much can be attributed to 'we play rough'

Even if we percieved to be in the top 2 (teams to play rough the probability of finishing 18th 6 years in a row is a 2x2x2x2x2x2 which is 1 in 64 chance (less than 2 % probability).

I don't understand all of it...but I like it!

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Jeeeze old mate Clarke must be down on his click quota for the month so needs to throw out the bait

nah he's right. lynch gonna get 3-4 weeks. media decides suspensions these days

 

[Muddiemoose]

Jane Cornes on ch9 this morning crucifying Lynch
He chose to bump according to Jane

My read was he had his eyes on the ball right up to a split second before he saw Keith at which stage he braces himself instinctively for contact

Yeah really can’t see how he choose to bump
He mistimed his lead and Keith entered the area from the side and Lynch braces to protect himself

If anything you could argue Keith was trying to block or tunnel Lynch

Keith was the only one in the contest who had absolutely no intention of making a play for the ball

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Yeah really can’t see how he choose to bump
He mistimed his lead and Keith entered the area from the side and Lynch braces to protect himself

If anything you could argue Keith was trying to block or tunnel Lynch

Keith was the only one in the contest who had absolutely no intention of making a play for the ball

it will go to tribunal and our idiotic team will just spend the hour arguing that lynch is a good bloke instead of pointing out any of the reasons it shouldn't be a suspension

 

[Mr Magic]

Seemed like an overcorrection from the Collingwood game. First half we bombed it forward and gave their half back’s great opportunity to run and carry.

Second half we hand balled out of the stoppage more for better looks inside 50.

Tried to do that against Doggies but didn’t have the balance right.

I am going to watch the replay taking notes with a emphasis on the backline and midfield.

First entry into our backline Baker could have marked but chose to knock it away.

Second ruck, Pickett gets the ball decides to hand ball it to English. Now does this mean Bulldogs won the clearance because, Pickett got the ball and if he had of kicked long, we win the clearance?

From the English kick Jones manages to somehow get around Baker?

Grimes and McIntosh pressure the ball to the boundary away from JUH

Now the next ruck it falls to Prestia, instead of snapping it out of there he decides to handball in the direction of the boundary and it goes to Macrae. Macrae snaps it to a dangerous forward position but luckily it falls to a Richmond player. Looks like Hopper got the ball, handballs to Prestia, to Baker who then shanks the kick to the opposition. This results in Libba kicking a point.

Vlastuin gets it up the wing, I am not going to go into war and peace but in the end Lynch kicks a goal from a tackle on Bont.

Now the next ruck Taranto fights for the ball with Hopper our way but it falls to Macrae as a sweeper, noted by Buckley earlier who feeds it to Treloar and it is kicked in the Bulldogs direction.

Baker does one of his best things for the day dropping the mark but winning the ball clearing to the wing. The next ruck Libba seems more agressive to the ball, falls in front of Nank and Bulldogs might have a outnumber but Libba kicks it Bulldogs way. Looked like it was six on five with Libba almost the extra the way it shaped.

From the Libba kick Baker gives away a free kick on Jones. Was it there, interference?? not sure

Graham takes a defensive mark inside fifty. Then it looks as if he clears it to Lynch on a wing position. Now to me this looks like a bad option, easy to say in hindsight, but it was rushed, it looks like numbers in Bulldogs favour a little but there and then, why pull the trigger from near CHB???

Next ruck, seems to fall to Dusty, he misses the kick in congestion, and Graham fumbles for another ruck. I put that down to a bit of rust and I am not here to crucify players Anyway, Young knocks it away from Young on the wing

The next ruck it gets knocked to Williams where they clear to the forward line after handball. I will say this what was Taranto's positioning about there??

Now Clarke handballs to Dusty who handballs it back to him and he gets tackled. Power of hindsight and Clarke looked to receive but Dusty should have went further inside and kick to a RFC guy on the logo or even handball to him near the umpire.

Keath ends up with the ball, kicks it longish where Young knocks it away from Naughton. Treloar gets the ball handballs to Jones who kicks long in our defence.

Balta defends Lobb and Sonsie uses brillance to get it to Prestia who handballs along the wing. Clarke gets it and kicks it to Lynch where it is intercepted. Power of hindsight but Clarke should have went further along over the top to I think Ryan in the background. To Lynch focused and not long enough in the sense their mids caught up to Lynch.

Johansen kicks the ball, falls Prestias way but he fumbles the ball and loses it under pressure. This ends up in a throw in near our defensive fifty.

At the throw in Bont is aggressive, uses his reach off the tap with Taranto trailing. In that scenario is Taranto too loose? Anyway, Bailey Dale gets the handball and kicks long into our defence, Lobb gets the ball over the back and snaps a goal. Now again, it is easy to say in hindsight but did Balta look to exert influence on the contest in that situation compared to defending Lobb? It is a balancing act. Maybe the question should be was Balta supposed to be on Naughton and Young on Lobb? Anyway goal against us. The truth is English pushed Nank in the back at the ruck throw in

Now the next bounce it falls Libbas way who uses experience and does not muck around kicking the ball off the ground which happens it end up in a Bulldogs mark at their half forward line. But just on that where was the RFC defender?

Anyway ball goes in our defence line, Balta competes, falls to Vlastuin who kicks to our half back line marked by Dale. Messy but I will allow that in terms of decision making. He decides not to take the kick for goal but kicks it to English, I am not blaming Pickett but where are our big guys?? English is a very good player but that was too easy

Next centre bounce Ryan v English falls to ground and then Dusty gets it and bangs it forward and deep

The ball falls to Sonsie and it goes out of bounds. Sonsie is young, not having a crack at him. However, could he have halted his progress and think about snapping over his shoulder? He kicks on both sides does he not? Maybe something for his development simply because in that scenario his kick for goal did not really look likely

Anyway, next throw in Taranto gets it falls to Lynch and a behind. Question, where is Bolton in this situation as that circumstance would be right up his alley?

Anyway Bulldogs clear behind to our CHB for a bounce. In the ruck goes to Bont with Taranto trailing again.

Now Young spoils the entry and RFC clears up the wing to Clarke. Now Clarke turns it over kicking to Ryan I think, but not a bad idea. I would simply say, bit of composure, cool the jets, let time work on your side. Clarke is only starting I am only creating food for thought to allow us to play better and better connect with each other as a team on the field To me, it was a bit like the Graham kick to Lynch, rushed when it did not need to be. Probably hold our horses and find another way would be a better option with ball in hand.

I was going to come back and follow through for the whole game but I do not have time for the moment. Just this, things are never as bad as they seem to be nor are they never as good, I think we will get there

 

[Muddiemoose]

it will go to tribunal and our idiotic team will just spend the hour arguing that lynch is a good bloke instead of pointing out any of the reasons it shouldn't be a suspension

Don’t even think it will go to the tribunal
Mro will sign it off as reasonable in the circumstances

 

[Burning bright]

Frustrating game the failure to play territory football when conditions were slippery and wet was costly

attempting dinky 15 metre kicks deep in our defence is asking for trouble in pouring rain as well as very short passes at centre half forward.

Short kicks into CHF in wet weather poses serious dangers. One, they are asking for a turnover which two resulted in rebound goals against us and two, dubious scoring chance at that distance once the flood back into defence occurs in the rain.

Basic wet weather football gain maximum metreage and then allow wet ball errors to occur in the oppositions deep defence.

Positives we saw a glimpse of the power we contain in our side in the second quarter absolutely left the Bulldogs all at sea albeit it was during the driest part of the game in a predominately wet weather football. Unfortunately second quarter surges have the momentum sapping nemesis of the half time break. A surge like that in the premiership 3rd quarter different story different outcome.

Positives we are getting games into a lot of kids but just not getting over the line painful when we want dividends up front but they are coming.

Cumberland again showed us a dynamic component missing in our forward line reminiscent to our Freo draw last year a lack of composure in the fourth quarter was costly in stead of reading the situation and taking a shot for goal Cumberland in the Freo game we saw a repeat in the last quarter. Cumbo saw lynch free in the forward line scrambled back to try and hurry a kick so Lynch could take an uncontested mark In the process slipping and the kick fell short. Cumbo Should have realised that if he just steadied himself Lynch one on one with the defender trapped in front of him is going to win the contest 9 times out of 10. Just a lack of composure in a player who has played less than a dozen games. What I did like was this reaction afterwards when he fist pumped the ground disgusted with his efforts reminds me of the passion that Jack Riewoldt had as a young forward that use to draw criticism from some within Tigerland but mainly from the outside media. Cumbo has already shown too much footy sense to be a dumbo and his raw emotions betrayed his utter disappointment in himself. He deep down knows he is capable of better and so do most of us. That trait if you could bottle it every club would be trying to buy a dose of that to give to their own players. In a terribly disappointing loss this is what forges and hardens the steel of a player to take him to the next level.

As for the soft free kicks in front of goals in the last quarter to the Bulldogs in a game of what was tough high contact wet weather football my enquires to the AFL umpires association they confirmed the umpires do not have a betting account, the only reason provided is that the particular umpire really likes Blue Stratos shower gel and cologne and that is only offered in the Bulldogs shower rooms Richmond has old fashion Pino and it obviously must have cost us.


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[Charlie Pannam]

Yeah really can’t see how he choose to bump
He mistimed his lead and Keith entered the area from the side and Lynch braces to protect himself

If anything you could argue Keith was trying to block or tunnel Lynch

Keith was the only one in the contest who had absolutely no intention of making a play for the ball

Anyone that’s played footy knows how open you are when you go for a pack mark. You can get a knee in the back, ribs , cop frontal contact .
Lynch reacts at the very last millisecond and there’s no malice, purely protecting himself.
Good call re Keith blocking, pretty sure his intention wasn’t to fly for the mark