Review Bad, Ugly, and Horrendous vs Hawks

[Scorpus]

We didn't "give him away", the market determined his worth. SOS determined he wasn't worth a 2nd round pick like we tried to rate him as, the Suns determined he was worth a 3rd and then determined they couldn't even get that for him and let him go for nothing.

Just because the Hawks found suckers in North Melbourne doesn't mean you grade every trade against that.

We are part of the market. Us accepting that value sets his value. It's part of the equation.

Lyons had more value to us remaining in the SANFL as depth than pick 43 even if it cost us more salary to do so

 

[adelaidecrows]

What were you saying about stupid comment?

thats the only player who goes 1:1. Lyons only position is centre as an inside mid. He can not physically play anywhere else better than what we already have. so I am curious. If the argument is depth player we are assuming Lyons would be ecstatic sitting in the SANFL for 12 months waiting for our injury year. There just seems to be this whole lot of debate from people just blindly assuming.

 

[Truck25]

And this myth was busted earlier today because this AFL round saw more shots on goal than last year. Inaccuracy can hardly be blamed on the new rules. However somehow I am waiting for you to blame the Crows for this stat.

It would be interesting to look at where and under what circumstances shots are being taken. I saw a lot of pressure shots and not many set shots which can explain the low scores and high number of shots. Admittedly I only saw 3 1/2 games but none of those seemed to have clean ball very much in the forward 50. So number of shots doesn't bust the theory.

 

[Klug]

Noticed the players having a laugh as they went through the banner. Might just be one of those games where they weren't switched on - which is inexcusable - but better than the side being no good.

That aside, needs Gallouci, Fogarty and others to come in ahead of Douglas and co for a bit more exuberance.

We have done this before a couple years ago against Melbourne at Adel Oval, having a few giggles during the warm up. No one gave Dees a chance, and they came out a beat us in an embarrassing display.

We are hot & cold mentally like no other side in the AFL, and it has been this way for years.

 

[Bicks]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03...e-star-dog-ports-fivegoal-hero-off-to-a-flyer

AFLCA votes
ADELAIDE v HAWTHORN
10 James Worpel (HAW)
6 James Sicily (HAW)
6 Rory Sloane (ADEL)
4 Ben McEvoy (HAW)
2 Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)
1 Jarman Impey (HAW)
1 Matt Crouch (ADEL)

 

[GreyCrow]

It would be interesting to look at where and under what circumstances shots are being taken. I saw a lot of pressure shots and not many set shots which can explain the low scores and high number of shots. Admittedly I only saw 3 1/2 games but none of those seemed to have clean ball very much in the forward 50. So number of shots doesn't bust the theory.

In our game , there was a highlight that showed our senior players missed 3-4 easy ones in the last quarter alone

if I recall other games also had those ''easy misses''

 

[adelaidecrows]

It would be interesting to look at where and under what circumstances shots are being taken. I saw a lot of pressure shots and not many set shots which can explain the low scores and high number of shots. Admittedly I only saw 3 1/2 games but none of those seemed to have clean ball very much in the forward 50. So number of shots doesn't bust the theory.

pressure does play a role and where the shots were taken. however i didnt really see to many on the boundary. AFL players are professional footballers. There really is no excuse for missing except in poor conditions and on the boundary.

 

[GreyCrow]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03...e-star-dog-ports-fivegoal-hero-off-to-a-flyer

ADELAIDE v HAWTHORN
10 James Worpel (HAW)
6 James Sicily (HAW)
6 Rory Sloane (ADEL)
4 Ben McEvoy (HAW)
2 Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)
1 Jarman Impey (HAW)
1 Matt Crouch (ADEL)

Cant argue too much about those

5-5
3-3
4-2
4
2
1
1

 

[mistylake]

Dude, you're completely taking the personal element out of footy, which is easy to do on a football forum. You create a club where people are disregarded and thrown away at the first sign of decline and you create a club players don't have any interest being at.

It’s not a “Football club” though. We can’t hang around at the club rooms, we don’t have any. There’s no under 13’s, 16’s, 18’s etc. none of the supporters ever get to chat with the players at the Crows clubroom bar.
These guys are paid millions of dollars to perform on 22 days a year plus a few more if they do perform.
We collectively pay for them to ****ing perform and earn their pay. Once that ceases they are of no use. But they did get paid. Handsomely.

 

[MRB37]

We are part of the market. Us accepting that value sets his value. It's part of the equation.

Lyons had more value to us remaining in the SANFL as depth than pick 43 even if it cost us more salary to do so

In what world does Lyons accept an offer to play in the SANFL instead of walking to the Suns in the pre-season draft?

And you're seriously telling me you're fine to give a 4 year $1.5 million+ deal to a player you expect to play mostly in the SANFL?

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Just thinking about the piss poor game from the Crows on the weekend reminded me of 2 games that I vaguely can recall a few years ago against teams that had the wood on us and we managed to turn the tables on them. 1 was Collingwood several years ago and the other was Geelong,(not the 2017 prelim). Both teams had recent impressive records against us and we're our bogie teams. In both breakout wins against those sides we won by immense pressure to the opposition. It was actually very uncrows like but it did the job.
Question is why the hell don't we apply the same treatment to Hawthorn??? As good as they are and as well as they are coached,(best coach in the modern era imo), ALL teams will make mistakes if enough pressure is applied.
Instead all we do is try the exact same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. Next time we play them I'd like to see us pressure the crap out of them instead of trying to manufacture our running game against them which clearly doesn't work.
The scoring will take care of itself if we apply enough pressure of our own.

 

[FAITH]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03...e-star-dog-ports-fivegoal-hero-off-to-a-flyer

AFLCA votes
ADELAIDE v HAWTHORN
10 James Worpel (HAW)
6 James Sicily (HAW)
6 Rory Sloane (ADEL)
4 Ben McEvoy (HAW)
2 Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)
1 Jarman Impey (HAW)
1 Matt Crouch (ADEL)

You can see why our club rated worpel so highly.

Don't get the hate from Sanders towards him...

 

[rocket18]

Honestly, what kind of ******* idiots do we have in the coaches box?

This from Campo.
Hart saying us losing to Hawthorn is irrelevant, because he wasn't at the Club for those losses.

These guys are clowns - and they are the reason we won't win a flag.

I pity Don Pyke.

Don't pity Pyke, he is part of the problem and the longer he is there allowing himself to be surrounded by these spuds it is more and more on him.

And he will then get the chop like our last 2* rookie coaches have - the ones who follow the offical AFC conservative, softly softly selection policy.

Oh, I yearn for us to employ a coach with some balls.

 

[Truck25]

pressure does play a role and where the shots were taken. however i didnt really see to many on the boundary. AFL players are professional footballers. There really is no excuse for missing except in poor conditions and on the boundary.

Just checked the stats and the quote is wrong

2019 round 1
195 marks inside 50
202 goals
204 points

2018 round 1
201 marks inside 50
232 goals
207 points

That is 33 more shots over the round compared to last year and 6 more marks inside 50.
So not sure where the claim of more shots this year came from.

EDIT - there was also less inside 50's this year 1019 to 984

 

[Mattrox]

Bad.

Clarko is our kryptonite. Yes Tex and a few others were poor. However a lot of this is based on how Clarko sets up to beat us.

Simply put he takes away free space in front of our HB line and our guys are too timid to take the game on when we don't have that space.

Any time we win the ball at HB the Hawks spread quite well defensively. Plugging most routes towards goal. It is a defensive cluster. They basically leave only one avenue forward with open space and know our guys will use it. They then converge on that space and create the turn over. Then our guys start second guessing their instincts and the gameplan cracks.

Clarko does not care if the top five possession winners are all Crows. That is what he wants. We played too slow and allowed them to get into defensive positions. While we over handballed it trying to get a clear avenue forward.

Last quarter we broke it. Took the game on and the scoring chances came. Which we blew. This change in play should have happened midway through the second quarter.





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I agree.

Once the forward entry is disrupted there is no way for the forwards to function effectively. Then they look bad as they simply cannot compete with ineffective delivery.

If the coaches are not working this through, every team with a half decent defencive unit will give us trouble.

Tex being "cooked" is the Adelaide fan base reacting as allergic reactuon to anyone over 29. Therefore, everyone wants to be the one to say "I called it 1st." His raking kick from outside 50m carried plenty of distance. Cooked players cannot do this.

Tex needs to focus on his own game for a while. He often gets drawn in to biffo, and starts waving the flag when he doesn't need to.

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[adelaidecrows]

It’s not a “Football club” though. We can’t hang around at the club rooms, we don’t have any. There’s no under 13’s, 16’s, 18’s etc. none of the supporters ever get to chat with the players at the Crows clubroom bar.
These guys are paid millions of dollars to perform on 22 days a year plus a few more if they do perform.
We collectively pay for them to ******* perform and earn their pay. Once that ceases they are of no use. But they did get paid. Handsomely.

It is a football club. Just because the club doesn't satisfy your ego doesn't mean the club isnt a football club. Players have to want to be there to buy into team structures, game plans and get along with their team mates. You know why players are paid so much, go and do a preseason. It is rated as one of the hardest most intense preseasons of any team sport in the world. You want to make the players feel at home, you want them to want to buy in and feel like part of the club. To be ruthless as 'features' was calling for in an earlier post, might as well do 1 year contracts and performance only pays and those that do stay and those that dont get lost. You know how many players would walk? Sorry the club doesn't satisfy you and your attempts to mingle with the players, guess it depends on how important that is to your life as to whether its important.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Totally agree on getting creative players into the middle. Our main mids were struggling with the hack kick out of congestion, a bit of creativity could have been the difference

It will help having creative outside players, particularly on the wings. Bringing in Seedsman would be a good start.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

i think we should move Gibbs back to cover for Doedee. There isn't room for him in the middle and he started his career down back so it could work. I just hope we don't put Mackay down back...

Everyone needs to lay off Tex. He had a pretty good preseason and all of our forwards lookes rubbish yesterday. I still see him kicking 40 this year and proving everyone wrong.

I have to agree regarding Jacobs, he has looked cooked for a long time. I'd even prefer us playing Jenkins as a mobile ruck and getting Fogarty up forward. He would be one of the few players that could take a contested mark.

I agree that using Gibbs as a defender should be an option with Doedee out.

Then we look to play either Hartigan, Otten or Kelly depending on the opposition matchups with Talia & Keath.

 

[Bicks]

You can see why our club rated worpel so highly.

Don't get the hate from Sanders towards him...

Look I rated James Worpel extremely high too as Jeffcrowe Danger in Texas and WaynesWorld19 will attest and I know you did too but nowhere have I seen any indication that Hamish or the club rated him highly other than from you. Worpel was still there on the draft board at our pick 40 when we selected Andrew McPherson so if the club rated him so highly surely they would have pounced. At this point in time unless McPherson turns out to be a good player Worpel is looking a missed opportunity for us and most clubs.

I could never understand the knocks on his game by some, primarily his kicking because every time I saw him play live i thought it was pretty decent and certainly very penetrating, I think what a lot of people were overlooking was the fact as an inside contested ball winning mid often a quick hack kick forward out of congestion was the only option he had which can tend to knock the DE% around quite a bit.

 

[arrowman]

Laird - 2
Milera - 2
Smith - 5
Knight - 3
Gibbs - 2
Atkins - 7
Kelly - 2
Jones - 4

Mackay had the third most meters gained of any Crow yet had just one score involvement. Says a lot

All right, you got me!

But I didn't want to make it about Mackay, just a comment on how we measure effectiveness. I still think that players who turn it over under pressure - not Mackay per se, and pressure that was not self-inflicted - sometimes get unfairly maligned by supporters "oh, who was that to". And yes, at the same time some players are better at extracting themselves from that pressure than others.

 

[Scorpus]

In what world does Lyons accept an offer to play in the SANFL instead of walking to the Suns in the pre-season draft?

And you're seriously telling me you're fine to give a 4 year $1.5 million+ deal to a player you expect to play mostly in the SANFL?

The reports at the time were that he really wanted to stay and we practically begged him to go with an insulting offer.

In any case, clubs are able to trade players of Lyons quality who are uncontracted for much more than pick 43 all the time. Some examples being Levi Greenwood, Jarman Impey, Tom Bell, and Matt Rosa.

We didn't want him and didn't give a **** what we got for him. If we even wanted him a little bit then we might have gotten fair value

 

[Sanders]

You can see why our club rated worpel so highly.

Don't get the hate from Sanders towards him...

Shame our club didn’t rate him, and I’m with all the other posters who have called you out for making up lies and fake news

 

[Elite Crow]

thats the only player who goes 1:1. Lyons only position is centre as an inside mid. He can not physically play anywhere else better than what we already have. so I am curious. If the argument is depth player we are assuming Lyons would be ecstatic sitting in the SANFL for 12 months waiting for our injury year. There just seems to be this whole lot of debate from people just blindly assuming.

The fact you think he can only play mid just shows you up, he could easily play the half forward role Douglas has been with stints through the middle. Lyons is the better forward.

Last year when we had injuries and Douglas played midfield he would have played more midfield and better than Douglas did.

 

[pjcrows]

We were utter tripe on the weekend, and lost the match in the coaches' box and arguably at selection, but I'm not sure what any of it has to do with whether we traded Jarryd Lyons for Pick 33 or Pick 43. We are one of the better teams when it comes to trading, drafting and player development. List management and retention overall is arguable but again I'm not sure what that has to do with Saturday.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Look I rated James Worpel extremely high too as Jeffcrowe Danger in Texas and WaynesWorld19 will attest and I know you did too but nowhere have I seen any indication that Hamish or the club rated him highly other than from you. Worpel was still there on the draft board at our pick 40 when we selected Andrew McPherson so if the club rated him so highly surely they would have pounced. At this point in time unless McPherson turns out to be a good player Worpel is looking a missed opportunity for us and most clubs.

I could never understand the knocks on his game by some, primarily his kicking because every time I saw him play live i thought it was pretty decent and certainly very penetrating, I think what a lot of people were overlooking was the fact as an inside contested ball winning mid often a quick hack kick forward out of congestion was the only option he had which can tend to knock the DE% around quite a bit.

Worpel was my favorite player coming into his 2nd year of U18's .....really highly rated in his junior year, but for some reason fell out of favor in his final year .....think it was a case of players looking more skillful over the Sloane like grunt