Confirmed Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[Pure_Ownage]

The club has the final say and right now they want Geelong to come up with a better offer. Otherwise he's off and racing to the draft.

The player has the final say because they either agree to a trade to his chosen club or they lose him for nothing and he probably gets to his chosen club in the draft anyway. Like it or not this is the broken system when a player is OOC.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If other teams are discouraged from drafting him with a random pick in the teens, is that not tampering?

It is but when have you ever seen the afl threaten to sanction a high profile player for it? They look the other way because they are scared of the AFLPA who they have allowed to get the whip hand.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That is not treating a player you want with the respect that they deserve and expect. That would be a very anxious 6 weeks for that player. And no guarantee that they will end up at the club they want. That would be incredibly poor form on that clubs behalf imo. This it’s incumbent on the Cats to ensure they get the deal done. They’ll speculate otherwise but everyone knows the reality.

Whether you're right or not on the ethics it doesn't change the reality that he would likely to get to 17 as clubs are too scared to pick these players if they refuse to talk to them and against their will. Personally I think they should change the system but it is what it is. The dogs and cats know this which is why power will eventually compromise on Wednesday.

 

[FootyLad0]

There’s plenty at stake for both clubs.
Relationships between clubs are still important.

Stop! You're making too much sense for this thread

 

[buttox]

This is a very simple but important point and gets to the crux of how broken the system is. Should a club be allowed to “trade” for a player they can’t “afford”. Surely some value has to be placed on out of contract players who haven’t reached FA. For another thread though as this isn’t unique to Geelong.

I think they can afford it.
The have 2 first round picks.
They are choosing not to use them that's different

 

[FootyLad0]

Didn’t you have to pay for Cameron and Dangerfield because they were free agents and their respective former clubs matched your bids? Therefore you had to trade for them? Isn’t that how it works?


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That's...that's the point.
I was asking what "inequality" Cats were benefiting from, Cats the only team to have to "pay up" for matched Free Agents.
If anything, they've paid more than anyone else has.

I'm trying to get to the crux of what Cats have been afforded that others haven't.
In relation to Bailey Smith, it makes zero sense for anyone to imply this is anything more than a standard trade between two club.

 

[Pencil case]

Do we really believe it'll only be "Pick 17"

Dogs started high, Cats started low.
Meet in the middle, negotiation 101

The middle would be the suns pick. If cats can acquire that I’d agree.

 

[FootyLad0]

The middle would be the suns pick. If cats can acquire that I’d agree.

That's...not the middle?

 

[Pencil case]

That's...not the middle?

Dogs are asking for a top 10 pick (which is too much), cats asking for 17 to get it done (which is too little), by definition 13/14 is the middle.

 

[FootyLad0]

Dogs are asking for a top 10 pick (which is too much), cats asking for 17 to get it done (which is too little), by definition 13/14 is the middle.

A First and a 2nd is the middle, i'd be getting your head around that now before Wednesday.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Dogs are asking for a top 10 pick (which is too much), cats asking for 17 to get it done (which is too little), by definition 13/14 is the middle.

Because the club are asking for a top 10 pick doesn’t mean we will get it

 

[Pencil case]

A First and a 2nd is the middle, i'd be getting your head around that now before Wednesday.

Oh my sweet summer child

 

[Pencil case]

Because the club are asking for a top 10 pick doesn’t mean we will get it

Thank you for relaying my point back to me

 

[FootyLad0]

Oh my sweet summer child

Oh dear well don't say i didn't tell you so...

 

[Bulldogs85]

Thank you for relaying my point back to me

probably best to stop embarrassing yourself

 

[Pencil case]

probably best to stop embarrassing yourself

Asking for a fair price is embarrassing, ok.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Asking for a fair price is embarrassing, ok.

No the carrying on you do on here is quiet embarrassing

 

[Bulldogs85]

Geelong can only give up what they have or willing to give up we will just have to make the best out of the outcome.

 

[Pencil case]

No the carrying on you do on here is quiet embarrassing

At least my embarrassment is at a low volume apparently?

I think you’ll find I’m far from the worst offender in this thread.

 

[adogsfan5]

Geelong can only give up what they have.

That’s factually incorrect. Just take a look back at the last few years trade periods. If a club has needed a higher pick, it has traded to get it.
This whole “but we only have 17” is embarrassing nonsense.
Not saying that Geelong will, but clubs do and have done so.
Maybe Geelong are in fact trying to trade up a few spots. Time will tell.

 

[Foucault1989]

Why don't Geelong just pony up? Ridiculous. Hardest team to work with when they want a player but want it all on their terms when they are giving up a player. Big petulance vibes.

 

[Freddy Swift]

That's...that's the point.
I was asking what "inequality" Cats were benefiting from, Cats the only team to have to "pay up" for matched Free Agents.
If anything, they've paid more than anyone else has.

I'm trying to get to the crux of what Cats have been afforded that others haven't.
In relation to Bailey Smith, it makes zero sense for anyone to imply this is anything more than a standard trade between two club.

But you were trying to imply that it was unfair that Geelong had to pay up for Cameron & Dangerfield and no other club has had to. You were just ‘unlucky’ that the former clubs matched your offers. You weren’t being victimised. There was nothing unfair about it.

With Bailey Smith though, it seems Geelong supporters think the Bulldogs should just accept the Cats offer and like it. If you went into a store and saw a coat or a pair of shoes you liked and the price tag said $500, how do you think the salesperson would react if you said ‘Well I only have $300 so you should just take that’?
Not well I suspect.

Let’s hope something reasonable for everybody can be worked out.


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[Dirty_banchez]

Geelong are not serious

That’s factually incorrect. Just take a look back at the last few years trade periods. If a club has needed a higher pick, it has traded to get it.
This whole “but we only have 17” is embarrassing nonsense.
Not saying that Geelong will, but clubs do and have done so.
Maybe Geelong are in fact trying to trade up a few spots. Time will tell.

With Smith being out of contract there is no incentive for Geelong to move up the draft. I think we are going to start seeing clubs offer crazy unders for out of contract players moving forward as there is no reason to offer fair value.

 

[adogsfan5]

But you were trying to imply that it was unfair that Geelong had to pay up for Cameron & Dangerfield and no other club has had to. You were just ‘unlucky’ that the former clubs matched your offers. You weren’t being victimised. There was nothing unfair about it.

With Bailey Smith though, it seems Geelong supporters think the Bulldogs should just accept the Cats offer and like it. If you went into a store and saw a coat or a pair of shoes you liked and the price tag said $500, how do you think the salesperson would react if you said ‘Well I only have $300 so you should just take that’?
Not well I suspect.

Let’s hope something reasonable for everybody can be worked out.


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-insert joke about the coat being treated poorly or having a rip on the sleeve-

 

[FootyLad0]

But you were trying to imply that it was unfair that Geelong had to pay up for Cameron & Dangerfield and no other club has had to. You were just ‘unlucky’ that the former clubs matched your offers. You weren’t being victimised. There was nothing unfair about it.

With Bailey Smith though, it seems Geelong supporters think the Bulldogs should just accept the Cats offer and like it. If you went into a store and saw a coat or a pair of shoes you liked and the price tag said $500, how do you think the salesperson would react if you said ‘Well I only have $300 so you should just take that’?
Not well I suspect.

Let’s hope something reasonable for everybody can be worked out.


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No i wasn't? Lol I said "SHOULD" Cats fans throw up their arms about perceived "inequalities" because they're the only club who has had to pay up for Free Agents? WHy has no one else had to do it?.....

I'm saying NO! that's just the system and how it works. The problems that people complain about are the AFL's issues, not Geelong's and that's why i was laughing at the situation that good Old Paddlocks was trying to imply...that Geelong were using the "inequalities" of the competition in their favour, when my point was that everyone should be pointing their fingers at the AFL, not one single team. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Is the system broken?
You tell me? The Premiers are about to get the best player in the Draft using picks which aren't worth the paper they are printed on. As a Tigers fan, you should be annoyed at that as it directly affects your Draft pool.

How could you possibly misinterpret what i said?

Pretty sure 99% of Cats fans here have said 1st and 2nd will get it done for Baz. Don't think that has changed at any point.