Confirmed Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[CatToTheFuture]

If played in the guts, he’s still in the top echelon of midfielders. Could easily rack up over 30 damaging disposals. His problem is that he’s not super effective at any other role, too slow for the wing etc.

He’d do well at Saints or North, and they probably have plenty of room to fit his contract. Dogs would ask for a late first but would have to happy with anything from 20-40 considering that’s 700k we can put towards the Butters offer.

Yeah I think that's the list management scenario in a nutshell. Macrae and Smith aren't getting to their preferred position past Edwards and now Sanders (who i was very disappointed didn't get to our pick).

Side note, I wonder how history plays out if Hawks went Curtin for kp player, then dogs get Watson. Flip that one player and I think you flip the finals result.

 

[Mofra]

I actually have no idea how to value Macrae. His contract is ok for a big ball winning midfielder, it's fine if he's the old Macrae. But you're playing a big, slowish, accumulator away from the guts so it looks to me like he is actively hurting you. But he's not zero value to other clubs so you should get something. I have no idea on that one truthfully.

Probably start as a second with a third round pick going back. Saints might ask for more coming back or a straight third. Both positions close enough to find common ground fairly quickly.

 

[PurpJuice]

Yeah I think that's the list management scenario in a nutshell. Macrae and Smith aren't getting to their preferred position past Edwards and now Sanders (who i was very disappointed didn't get to our pick).

Side note, I wonder how history plays out if Hawks went Curtin for kp player, then dogs get Watson. Flip that one player and I think you flip the finals result.

We were murdered in the middle. That wouldn’t have made much of a difference imo.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Probably start as a second with a third round pick going back. Saints might ask for more coming back or a straight third. Both positions close enough to find common ground fairly quickly.

Yeah that seems fair to me

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We were murdered in the middle. That wouldn’t have made much of a difference imo.

Yeah, more just pure arithmetic of taking 4 goals off books and giving you a few more looks

 

[FootyLad0]

Under the old list management regime, definitely yes.
Under the new regime - less certain.

Is Esava Ratugolea currently playing for Port?
There’s your answer.

 

[FootyLad0]

I know you're just passing the info along, so not a shot at you, but this rumour-mill and trash-talk of the highest order.

We have a 9-day trade period that doesn't start until the 9th of October (i.e. almost a month away), and media are already screaming "oh noes, he may go to the PSD!!!!!!1111" (and probably rubbing their hands with glee as to how they can dramatise the s**t out of this).

Sure, it's great theatre and gives everyone here the chance to blow this thread to page 500 before a deal is struck, but I'd be very surprised if the two clubs aren't privately discussing this firmly but respectfully.

Spot on, PSD threats are just silly. Clubs are much more professional than that. Especially going on both Cat’s history and Dogs history through trades.

 

[FootyLad0]

 

[sleep]

If played in the guts, he’s still in the top echelon of midfielders. Could easily rack up over 30 damaging disposals. His problem is that he’s not super effective at any other role, too slow for the wing etc.

He’d do well at Saints or North, and they probably have plenty of room to fit his contract. Dogs would ask for a late first but would have to happy with anything from 20-40 considering that’s 700k we can put towards the Butters offer.

Umm we getting Butters as well. Did you not see Jizza wording him up last week after the game?

 

[captain cotch 9]

Interesting that Twoomey said he may walk to the PSD...
Surely the Tigs would be licking their lips.
It isnt common that players head there anymore.

 

[PurpJuice]

Interesting that Twoomey said he may walk to the PSD...
Surely the Tigs would be licking their lips.
It isnt common that players head there anymore.

This is a pretty unique case though. If Cats are not offering more than their first and second, PSD is the most likely outcome.

 

[Mofra]

Is Esava Ratugolea currently playing for Port?
There’s your answer.

A fringe player trade that went down to the last minute?

Yes. An answer indeed.

 

[FootyLad0]

A fringe player trade that went down to the last minute?

Yes. An answer indeed.

I don’t believe for a second that deal wasn’t in place much earlier, Mackie basically said deal was done much earlier in the day but they had to “fine tune some stuff”
There was nothing interesting happening last Trade Period so they had to draw something out because Sav was literally the only “interesting” thing to talk about. Trade Period is their vehicle to generate interest in footy when there is no footy.

“Rumours/stories” = clicks and views = more investment = $$$$ spent on AFL

Media sensationalism at its finest to draw out something from nothing.

They won’t have that problem this year with Barras and Baz and I’m sure there will be more to come eg. Stringer, Bolton, Baker, Noble etc

 

[Bulldogs85]

I don’t believe for a second that deal wasn’t in place much earlier, Mackie basically said deal was done much earlier in the day but they had to “fine tune some stuff”
There was nothing interesting happening last Trade Period so they had to draw something out because Sav was literally the only “interesting” thing to talk about. Trade Period is their vehicle to generate interest in footy when there is no footy.

“Rumours/stories” = clicks and views = more investment = $$$$ spent on AFL

Media sensationalism at its finest to draw out something from nothing.

They won’t have that problem this year with Barrass, Baz, Stringer and I’m sure there will be more to come.

It’s all about trade radio this is the media's grand final should just have the trade period last a week

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

This is a pretty unique case though. If Cats are not offering more than their first and second, PSD is the most likely outcome.

That is a complete losing situation for the dogs. We'd happily take our picks to the drafts or save them up for Harley Reid when he wants to come back to paradise.

 

[Rob R]

I have no doubt Geelong is a well run club.

It just gets a little help I feel (quietly) from one of the countries richest men.

Also helps that Geelong and the surrounds are a far better place to live than the over populated and over priced cesspit Melbourne has become

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[Dazb86]

Also helps that Geelong and the surrounds are a far better place to live than the over populated and over priced cesspit Melbourne has become

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Melbourne is currently undervalued believe it or not

The rest of the country has shot through the roof.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Interesting to see how this one goes. Geelong have been pretty hard negotiators on players they want to retain. Not sure whether they can behave the same way when the shoe is on the other foot. It's actually not ideal to lose a best 22 player to a fellow contender. If he goes to the PSD then he just ends up at Richmond who Dogs will smash next year anyway.

 

[bzparkes]

That is a complete losing situation for the dogs. We'd happily take our picks to the drafts or save them up for Harley Reid when he wants to come back to paradise.

Who's going to want to request a trade to a club who just lets them end up at some other random club because they tried being stingy?

 

[Tonythetiger]

Dogs have really nailed the draft for first rounders over a number of years then got kissed on the dick with JUH and Darcy. They can afford to play hard on this one to keep the Cats honest.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Who's going to want to request a trade to a club who just lets them end up at some other random club because they tried being stingy?

For sure. "Hey Bailey, we really rate you. But we really want to get you for unders so let's just wait and see what happens, hopefully the Dogs take the deal"

 

[The 747]

Interesting to see how this one goes. Geelong have been pretty hard negotiators on players they want to retain. Not sure whether they can behave the same way when the shoe is on the other foot. It's actually not ideal to lose a best 22 player to a fellow contender. If he goes to the PSD then he just ends up at Richmond who Dogs will smash next year anyway.

Oh well, if it doesn't work it then it doesn't.

 

[STPer18]

Need to keep some of our powder dry for the eventual Cadman and obviously Reid pickups. Enter the MackAttack.

 

[PurpJuice]

That is a complete losing situation for the dogs. We'd happily take our picks to the drafts or save them up for Harley Reid when he wants to come back to paradise.

Dogs hold all the power it’s up to Cats to get it done.

 

[FootyLad0]

Think some "neutrals" here are severely misinformed on Geelong's ability to land trades.
Negotiating doesn't mean they "failed" to make a trade....it means they are doing what all 17 other clubs should be doing, working on the framework of a deal that's acceptable for both clubs involved.
Can someone point to a time where Wells/Mackie signified interest in someone and then didn't complete the Trade Deal?

And before someone jumps in with an "aCtUaLlY", guys like Hopper and Deledio backflipping and accepting bigger dollars elsewhere is the players choice to go pick the option that makes them more money and not Geelong's lack of ability to get the trade done (more power to them if someone wants to overpay)

If Geelong says they are going to get someone, they'll go get them (Wells has always been know to get it done, Mackie is 100% in successful trade deals)

I honestly can't remember a time where they've genuinely attempted to go get someone then not gone through with the deal. Someone want to disprove this?