Prediction Best 22 for Round 1, 2023

[Obeanie1]

Not really.

Shown a good ability to crumb off packs and in his standout game vs Saints a couple of years ago showed real dash. Hell, he even took a couple of contested marks and weaved his way through traffic.

Bloke simply needs, dare I say it, continuity.

Six years is a long enough run at it.

It is make or break this season. And just watch Hewett, Long and Burgiel come in and show more natural positioning and ability within their first two seasons.

Petro converted to footy late. And it shows. Hope he surprises and his form explodes but Im not holding my breath.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Greetings, how is Allan looking in his recovery?

Questions on Allan to the Pies board

Questions on Allen are welcome here

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

With the influx of some high end talent the last 15 months, the likes of Waterman, Rotham, Petruccelle, SPS, Jones, etc are going to need a fast start to the season. These players have had 5+ years to establish themselves at the top level and risk being left behind.

The mids that we got can all play multiple roles meaning we have options and flexibility with them.

I am looking forward to seeing how they response and seeing what the MC do in selection. Selection integrity has not been a strong point recently

 

[Ghossein]

Not really.

Shown a good ability to crumb off packs and in his standout game vs Saints a couple of years ago showed real dash. Hell, he even took a couple of contested marks and weaved his way through traffic.

Bloke simply needs, dare I say it, continuity.

I agree he has some really good traits as a player and has had bursts where he's shown what he's capable of, but I still don't feel he's AFL standard. Pains me to say it as an ex-Petch supporter.

Next time he plays don't follow the ball, just watch him for 5 mins or so. Watch how/where he runs when the opposition has the ball in comparison to his team mates. By comparison, watch what Cripps does.

The bloke is only good at running fast and being agile when he feels like he might kick a goal.

 

[bzparkes]

He was the GOAT in that Saints game.

If he chucked a few more of those efforts in we wouldn't be having this discussion.

It's because he immediately gets injured when he has one of those games..

 

[Dark Sharks]

It's because he immediately gets injured when he has one of those games..

Yes.

Which commences the circle of life again.


Petch lame ---> Petch gets better and has breakout game ---> Gets injured ---> Petch lame --> Petch gets better and has breakout game ---> Gets injured.




---> Club Folds

 

[PK WCE]

Looks like alot of the best 22 predictions have generally chosen 1 of waterman and petch, but not both. Will waterman being a taller target (kinda not that tall tho) help allen and darling or do we want a small forward selected over waterman and leave a resting ruckman forward?

Is this the year waterman breaks out or is he not best 22? I have waterman selected round 1 at this stage..

 

[THE A5]

With the influx of some high end talent the last 15 months, the likes of Waterman, Rotham, Petruccelle, SPS, Jones, etc are going to need a fast start to the season. These players have had 5+ years to establish themselves at the top level and risk being left behind.

The mids that we got can all play multiple roles meaning we have options and flexibility with them.

I am looking forward to seeing how they response and seeing what the MC do in selection. Selection integrity has not been a strong point recently

I’d leave Jones out of this group. I think he is better suited to Willies role than anyone on the list. As a forward he looked a lot better when given the freedom to play and attacking style

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’d leave Jones out of this group. I think he is better suited to Willies role than anyone on the list. As a forward he looked a lot better when given the freedom to play and attacking style

Jones will be 25 in 2023, has not cracked the best 22 auto-select so I see him very much under the microscope needing to deliver in 2023. He shows dash but yet to turn that into any consistency.

 

[shooshka]

Jones will be 25 in 2023, has not cracked the best 22 auto-select so I see him very much under the microscope needing to deliver in 2023. He shows dash but yet to turn that into any consistency.

He's probably the perfect role player for our next tilt though (as a role player, the issue is it can always be someone else - but he has the tools to be a contributor in a decent team). Can play back or forward, and pinch hit in the middle. Is fast, can kick a goal, and is tough enough and tackles OK.

Consistency and sometimes disposal is an issue, but you're always going to have a handful of players with flaws in certain areas (who make up for it as long as they have strengths in other areas).

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

He's probably the perfect role player for our next tilt though (as a role player, the issue is it can always be someone else - but he has the tools to be a contributor in a decent team). Can play back or forward, and pinch hit in the middle. Is fast, can kick a goal, and is tough enough and tackles OK.

Consistency and sometimes disposal is an issue, but you're always going to have a handful of players with flaws in certain areas (who make up for it as long as they have strengths in other areas).

Agree he has the tools - I’d like to see Jones step up a level and take his game to another level

 

[Keys]

Allen (23)
Cole (25)
Rotham (24)
Jones (24)
Petruccelle (23)*
Waterman (24)*
Petrevski-Seton (24)*
Foley (23)*
O’Neill (22)*
Witherden (24)*

All of that group at one time or another have shown they’re capable of playing football at AFL level to varying degrees but (Allen and Cole aside) none of them have been able to produce it consistently over an extended period

For that reason, again with the exception of Allen and Cole, none of them have cemented a spot in the best 22 and all go into 2023 as fringe players. The ones marked * are out of contract at the end of the year

For us to improve 5 or more of those players need to elevate their game. Doing so would put pressure on the older players to hold their spot and also make the younger players perform earn an opportunity through strong WAFL form rather than meeting a need to play the youth

 

[Grahame]

Not really.

Shown a good ability to crumb off packs and in his standout game vs Saints a couple of years ago showed real dash. Hell, he even took a couple of contested marks and weaved his way through traffic.

Bloke simply needs, dare I say it, continuity.

Says it all.

 

[bzparkes]

Says it all.

Conveniently ignored my closing statement.

Says it all.

 

[random260]

With the influx of some high end talent the last 15 months, the likes of Waterman, Rotham, Petruccelle, SPS, Jones, etc are going to need a fast start to the season. These players have had 5+ years to establish themselves at the top level and risk being left behind.

The mids that we got can all play multiple roles meaning we have options and flexibility with them.

I am looking forward to seeing how they response and seeing what the MC do in selection. Selection integrity has not been a strong point recently

Sps is done he's a Carlton reject. We gave a shot and performed as well as Venables first and second years. Five possessions and all

 

[Keys]

Sps is done he's a Carlton reject. We gave a shot and performed as well as Venables first and second years. Five possessions and all

I wouldn’t be writing off SPS just yet

We have developed a rather long and frustrating history of being unable to get the best out of new recruits in their first year at the club. It predates Simpson to an extent but it’s been a problem throughout his tenure

Add to that, SPS like many others picked up an injury early on and never really got over it properly so we never saw him at his best

And finally, our season was such a dumpster fire that both those issues were exacerbated significantly due to a lack of structure and continuity

I’m not saying he’ll set the world on fire necessarily, just that circumstances hindered him in 2022 and that we’ll get a better idea of what he’s capable of next year.

With a bit of luck it all clicks for him

 

[Obeanie1]

Looks like alot of the best 22 predictions have generally chosen 1 of waterman and petch, but not both. Will waterman being a taller target (kinda not that tall tho) help allen and darling or do we want a small forward selected over waterman and leave a resting ruckman forward?

Is this the year waterman breaks out or is he not best 22? I have waterman selected round 1 at this stage..

Waterman had surgery on something and is struggling with a back issue preseason.

He now needs a perfect run preseason to be ready round 1 IMO.

Im thinking mid season onwards more likely to be ready.

 

[Illeagle]

Jones will be 25 in 2023, has not cracked the best 22 auto-select so I see him very much under the microscope needing to deliver in 2023. He shows dash but yet to turn that into any consistency.

He was top 10 in B&F last season. Maybe that says more about the list than anything else, but id say he's got some credits in the bank over several others.

 

[squashface]

I wouldn’t be writing off SPS just yet

We have developed a rather long and frustrating history of being unable to get the best out of new recruits in their first year at the club. It predates Simpson to an extent but it’s been a problem throughout his tenure

Add to that, SPS like many others picked up an injury early on and never really got over it properly so we never saw him at his best

And finally, our season was such a dumpster fire that both those issues were exacerbated significantly due to a lack of structure and continuity

I’m not saying he’ll set the world on fire necessarily, just that circumstances hindered him in 2022 and that we’ll get a better idea of what he’s capable of next year.

With a bit of luck it all clicks for him

Just need to keep him out of the backline.

HFF with stints in the midfield is the perfect role for him. He would be one of few that can play that HFF wasteland position decently enough.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I wouldn’t be writing off SPS just yet

We have developed a rather long and frustrating history of being unable to get the best out of new recruits in their first year at the club. It predates Simpson to an extent but it’s been a problem throughout his tenure

Add to that, SPS like many others picked up an injury early on and never really got over it properly so we never saw him at his best

And finally, our season was such a dumpster fire that both those issues were exacerbated significantly due to a lack of structure and continuity

I’m not saying he’ll set the world on fire necessarily, just that circumstances hindered him in 2022 and that we’ll get a better idea of what he’s capable of next year.

With a bit of luck it all clicks for him

Playing devils advokent, SPS basically did EXACTLY what he did throughout his underwhelming career at Carlton.

Fair to say him being injured, having no set role, playing a dozen games a year at most with a few as the sub isn't an outlier now, it's the norm.

Was worth the punt for whatever we paid for him, pick 52 was it? But my expectations are tempered with him ever "coming good" and carving out an above average career.

Here's hoping but if things continue i'd be expecting him not to be offered a contract at the end of 2023. Particularly with more young talent coming in.

 

[WCErevival]

I dont expect SPS to play a game unless we have injuries.

 

[Obeanie1]

I dont expect SPS to play a game unless we have injuries.

If he can get fit and stay fit he will get games. He's good enough.

If he has another injury interrupted year like last season then he likely won't get games in the 1's.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I wouldn’t be writing off SPS just yet

We have developed a rather long and frustrating history of being unable to get the best out of new recruits in their first year at the club. It predates Simpson to an extent but it’s been a problem throughout his tenure

Add to that, SPS like many others picked up an injury early on and never really got over it properly so we never saw him at his best

And finally, our season was such a dumpster fire that both those issues were exacerbated significantly due to a lack of structure and continuity

I’m not saying he’ll set the world on fire necessarily, just that circumstances hindered him in 2022 and that we’ll get a better idea of what he’s capable of next year.

With a bit of luck it all clicks for him

There is no doubt on the talent - we need to land on his position. It will be a make or break year and I am open to the hff with the occasional centre clearance. That is where he was most damaging as a junior.

That said, I am not holding my breath of SPS as he teased Carlton for many a years and last year, while he was obviously carry an injury, he was just ok.

It will be an interesting discussion at MC. Keep persisting with him or get games into Burgiel and Hewett

 

[Dark Sharks]

The big non negotiable to unlock his talent was to play him in the midfield. Legit where he had career best games for Carlton.

He either hasn't gotten a proper crack, due to being played elsewhere, or he's been injured. Either way, i don't expect him to be getting midfield minutes now that we've added Ginbey and Hewett, which means we'd have to find him a role. Something Carlton failed to do over 5 years.

 

[bh90210fan]

Jones and SPS would be alright on the half forward line. Both are good at chasing, tackling and harassing, which is basically your 1 wood for a small forward with the way the games played these days. Jones has a nice penetrating kick and SPS if he gets a run would be our best kick into the forward line for any of our leading forwards.

Next year is going to be a season of discovery for us and I’m actually looking forward to it more so than a lot of our previous ones.