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[katmanblue]

I'm dying....

Yes. We all are.

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[Aphrodite]

Is gardiner stand Synbad?

Actually no my bad.

Wrong stand.

We have gardiner stand & TheHeatleyStand, so the latter.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

I’m a big fan of Byrner since he started (up forward) but he needs continuity and nothing wrong with building from the VFL (along with Macreadie, Schumacher, McDaid etc + could be 1 of Plow, LJ, Marchy or Weiters).
If the form warrants it, they get promoted. Also not against Byrne returning to HFF (FP ala Brad Pearce) or the wing.

Brad Pearce could football
3rd season, 50plus goals, 4 in winning gf.
Life was good

 

[Accidental genius]

He creates holes by losing track of his man. Consistently. Too much ball watching.

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Every player has a flaw....wouldn't it better that one of our many coaches helps him fix this problem...why else do we need so many coaches

 

[__Bobcat__]

Brad Pearce could football
3rd season, 50plus goals, 4 in winning gf.
Life was good

Those were, the days my Friend.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Those were, the days my Friend.

We thought they'd never end.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Could Collingwood use Jones?

Backline has been injury ravaged.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Jones has a lot of tools. Would be a gun in a side with good structure. You watch him go to a Hawthorn and they turn him into a AA Backman.

 

[TooBlue14]

Would do it in a pinch but include a swap of later picks as well ie 1 + 25 +65 + 73 -> pick 3 + 57 + 61 + saints 2019 1st.

Then pursue the following trades
A. jones to GC to move back up for walsh + replace the mid 20s pick - 3 + jones -> 2 + 29
B. pick 24 -> mcgovern
C. Saints future 1st + PP (12ish) + 29 -> shiel + setterfield + 23

Net result
lose pick 1, PP (12), 24, 25, 65, 73, Jones
Gain pick 2, 23, 57, 61, mcgovern, shiel, setterfield

Still get walsh + gain small upgrades for our 3rd and 4th round picks.

C. Is way overs. You could get that deal done with the saints first and 12. No need for 29 too. In fact the salary cap relief could even turn it into saints first and 29 for Shiel setterfield and their 3rd rounder.

 

[katmanblue]

Every player has a flaw....wouldn't it better that one of our many coaches helps him fix this problem...why else do we need so many coaches

I agree.

This just seems instinctive though.

Can it be fixed?

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[8 Lil Monkeys]

They have a few they probably wouldn't mind letting go, Lids, Griffen, Scully and to a lesser extent Patton would all be on very good coin.

They also know if Shiel waits a year all they will get is a pick around 14-18 as compensation, that helps with any deal SOS makes

Finally some sense. GWS know they will only get 14-18 next year and they have a few DFA’s next year (Coniglio, Tomlinson, Buntine, Haynes, etc) and they only get 1 compensation pick based on the Free Agent loss (even if more than 1 leaves). GWS moving early is in their interest not necessarily Shiel or the receiving club.

Compensation based on total loss .. not per player.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

 

[Psychochook]

His wiggly tongue avatar used to freak me out ….

I loved it.

Reminded me of Skeletor.

I haven't been on TC since last trade period.

Always wondered who Cazzesman is over here. He and Synbad had some classic banter at times.

 

[thylacine60]

Brad Pearce could football
3rd season, 50plus goals, 4 in winning gf.
Life was good

ponytail was bad.....

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Is gardiner stand Synbad?

Pretty....sure....it’s....Heatley Stand....

 

[bmaurizio]

I loved it.

Reminded me of Skeletor.

I haven't been on TC since last trade period.

Always wondered who Cazzesman is over here. He and Synbad had some classic banter at times.

The Synbad and Cazzesman are CFC forum revered icons. Quality insights into the workings of the club especially throughout our dark years.

 

[4thchicken]

C. Is way overs. You could get that deal done with the saints first and 12. No need for 29 too. In fact the salary cap relief could even turn it into saints first and 29 for Shiel setterfield and their 3rd rounder.

Agree C is paying a lot and we could probably get away with paying less. Overall the deal with the saints (the rumour) works for us though

 

[thylacine60]

No club will match our offer to Shiel,McGovern and Setterfield.

126 likes in under a day.

 

[The Bighouse]

Jones has a lot of tools. Would be a gun in a side with good structure. You watch him go to a Hawthorn and they turn him into a AA Backman.

We almost did as well in 2017, had he played more games. Amos moves out of defensive coach duties in 2018.

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

Pretty....sure....it’s....Heatley Stand....

Currently dominating on the SRP board.

 

[Robertio]

I think this will play a big factor in any dealings.

Taking someone like Griffen or Lids as a salary dump would be a good move for us. Gives us another senior body and experience/example on the training track. Granted both of those guys are injured the majority of the time but they're knowledge on the game will be good for our younguns.

Obviously this only works if it allows us to get Shiel at a semi discounted rate. Eg Shiel and Setterfield for 2019 1st and a second round pick.

We need to keep pick 1 (Walsh) at all costs IMO.

They would keep our new medical department busy as well.

 

[Blueboys7]

I reckon Jones is one of our most exciting players to watch on our list. 1%’ers. Marks. Majority of his kicks.

Could be the swingman as well, would be interested to see him up forward again.

Jones forward again......

 

[passmark]

Currently dominating on the SRP board.

Where dat?

 

[Funk]

After reading the Crows board about MM, most of their supporters are looking at the trade deals from the wrong angle. There's an assumption that SOS needs to make the deal now but he's proven time and time again that he walks from deals that aren't fair. SOS has a job description of building the best possible list for Carlton so he doesn't have to care about wins and loses, Adelaide do.

If one party in the negotiation is on a significantly different outcome goal there will always be disparity in the discussions. Adelaide need to make their list better right now whereas Carlton can wait until the deal is right. Adelaide will want two picks in top 5 2018 (Luko/Rankine) with a third pick in 15-20 bracket (Hately/Valente). To pull this off they need Carlton and GC to do massive favours but Crows have the picks/players to do it, they just can't be dicks about it.

The issues with the pre-season camp mean the Crows board are in the firing line, bringing in three gun SA players could just about give them 12 months of breathing space #WithCollectiveMindsWeCryAsOne

Agree.

And relative timing is an issue.

SOS won't really care if he gets MM this year, next year or the year after.

There are a group of gun SA boys in this year's draft (not next year's).

Crows need to get the deal done so they get picks this year.

The timing pressure is all on the Crows - not SOS.

SOS can afford to be patient - the Crows can't.

 

[Bronze]

So this tool bag says Shiel to either Hawks or Essendon....who has the dodgy info?

 

[Hands On]

Now why would we want Jones gone. Turned into a defender against the odds and he stars for 10 weeks last year.
This year he has no choice but to run ragged trying to cover all the holes and actually still played some terrific games till the injury. Such short memories.
Pagan once said you need a gorilla to play on the gorillas. He was right and Jones is it. A gorilla and a gazelle in the one package. When his teammates come back he will star again.

He is the only trade-able commodity that we can cover and hence prepared to loose. You comments are very valid and I can see Jones improving with the return of DOC and his guidance in the back line. Don't Laugh but I liken Jones to Rance (70% of Rance). He may have even been given instruction to model his game on Rance's. Problem is Rance has capable support with solid back line players that can hold their man or peel off when the situation allows.

In trying to play a similar role when eh didn't kill the ball his back up was not there the opposition would then pick up the loose ball and go through his opponent. Where he was lacking is once this happened a few times he should of changed his tact and gone man on man.

Question is will he still be an integral part of our team when we hit our straps in a couple of years, or do we take what we can now?