Bluemour Discussion Thread XIII - Facts Not Welcome

[SickQwon]

Missing out on Shiel mean Brett Temple gets completely embarrassed on social media.

Silver linings, people.

 

[mike ockerts]

I trust SOS to get Setterfield done with what has been mentioned, but I gotta funny feelin in me bones the Giants are gunna ask for our 2019 first, we have left ourselves exposed for this possibility now after playing overs for McGov, if indeed said trade goes down that way.
After today I'm not assuming anything anymore till it's been lodged and official

 

[KohPhi]

He nominated us and was out of contract.

Let's hope someone doesn't do that with Setterfield then hey...

After today, anything is possible!!

 

[therubbernub]

Setterfield >>>>>>>>>>> Shiel.

Mark it down. We have got the better player and cheaper and we can now get Kelly in 2019

Plus we have made the Bumbers pay 2 first round draft picks and a lot of money.

Lots of positives

Soap, i just dont see how you could be so positive about setterfield being better than shiel? The guy has barely played.

 

[Foucault1989]

Nah. The onus is on me to prove... precisely nothing. It’s your choice if you continue to feel a certain way about the words I’ve chosen to write.

I mean, I could recommend you re-read my words, in the context of all my previous posts, to understand the “tone” or “intent” of my posting style. You know, so you don’t just jump to conclusions about the person you’re dealing with?

But then, that would require me to care for some unknown reason about a stranger’s perspective on the internet. Or (even more strangely than that) to tell said stranger how I think they should behave or act.

Assuming you won’t catch what I’m throwing though. So I’ll leave it there, regardless of your return serve.

So you're basically saying it was tongue in cheek? Fair enough. If that's your style then so be it.

 

[FairKouta]

As I read the way this thread is descending into recrimination and irrationality I’m put in mind of two opposing but equally justifiable thoughts

1) if people want to go off tap, that’s their right, but
2) the rest of us don’t need to participate or be exposed to it

So, until next trade season, Sayonara

EP No late suprises for us ? No star to help out cripps ?

 

[BOSOJSOSAGSOS]

As I read the way this thread is descending into recrimination and irrationality I’m put in mind of two opposing but equally justifiable thoughts

1) if people want to go off tap, that’s their right, but
2) the rest of us don’t need to participate or be exposed to it

So, until next trade season, Sayonara

I don't think anyone is attacking you personally EP. They are taking the news as gospel and are unhappy with the club and / or the deal mooted.

The bat ball home approach may not be warranted

 

[BringBackSimmo]

+1 for this. Feels like I’ve missed something

There was a suggestion that the deal had been done, i guess the paper work hasn't gone through yet though? Tomorrow morning?

 

[Nori]

I think it will be 43

Not a hope in hell. Sorry.

 

[bluemahogany]

As I read the way this thread is descending into recrimination and irrationality I’m put in mind of two opposing but equally justifiable thoughts

1) if people want to go off tap, that’s their right, but
2) the rest of us don’t need to participate or be exposed to it

So, until next trade season, Sayonara

Please comeback for the post draft breakdown at least

 

[Funk]

What’s contrast today is from yesterday.

Yesterday our trade week started off perfectly and we were all in great spirits, and today has been the complete opposite of that, where everything seems to have gone wrong and we are all deflated

Not me - quite happy.

 

[Wickzki]

Looking at the McGovern trade, it's quite clear to me that SOS's plan was Shiel, McGovern, Setterfield and that there was no plan B.

Why do I say that?

The simple AFL rule that states you have to have either a first or a second round draft pick in each AFL draft. You cannot not have neither of them.

We started out with:

• 2018: #1, #24, #25, state leaguers
• 2019: 1st + 2nd round selections

So how was he going to pay for all of the three?

• 2019 1st for Shiel -- eliminates the 2019 second from being able to be used in a trade
• 2018 24 + McAdam + pick upgrades for Adelaide for McGovern
• 2018 25 for Will Setterfield

It's pretty clear that SOS got the news he wasn't expecting -- Shiel to Essendon -- and has panicked. He now had to trade in McGovern at all costs so he paid over the odds for him. SOS would now hope that our 2019 second is enough to secure Setterfield. He'll probably throw in 42 as well.

If not for Russell this would be a disaster. We have no real currency this year or next. If he trades out Liam Jones and Levi Casboult it's not going to bring in enough to be anything more than moving deck chairs.

Happy to be shown where I'm wrong. Please do!

 

[BOSOJSOSAGSOS]

By the way, I am not thrilled with the deal either.

I reckon we may have burnt the concessions we got to be honest. We've turned them into very little

 

[ericpascoe]

I don't think anyone is attacking you personally EP. They are taking the news as gospel and are unhappy with the club and / or the deal mooted.

The bat ball home approach may not be warranted

Nothing to do with that. It’s just getting silly and unpleasant. Nobody is obligated to spend time on big footy. I’m just saying bye

 

[The Bighouse]

Pk 42 for Jayden Hunt please SOS

Doesn’t sound like he’s going anywhere this trade period.
They’ll want some midfielders in though if they lose Tyson, vandeBerg & Kent

 

[FootyGeek]

I trust SOS to get Setterfield done with what has been mentioned, but I gotta funny feelin in me bones the Giants are gunna ask for our 2019 first, we have left ourselves exposed for this possibility now after playing overs for McGov, if indeed said trade goes down that way.
After today I'm not assuming anything anymore till it's been lodged and official

It's the SOS bait and switch.

They will need to add another player (or other pick) if they want next years first. There are a many many options available.

 

[King Karl]

Just a reminder to some (not aimed at anyone in particular, more so general society) that just because something is on the news - it doesn't mean it's true.

NAB AFL Trade Radio’s Sam McClure believes Dylan Shiel has ruled out a move to Essendon for the 2019 season.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/10/02/essendon-out-of-the-race-for-shiel/

 

[BringBackSimmo]

Has SOS gone silly, or something? First not speaking to every club before trading our first concession for pick 42, then this.

First rule of Bluemour Discussion Thread:
Never doubt SOS.

 

[Soapy V]

Soap, i just dont see how you could be so positive about setterfield being better than shiel? The guy has barely played.

Same way people think Walsh will be a star. IMO Setterfield was the best player in his draft year. Get him fit and watch out. Also only 20 so we have him for a decade and is cheap. Always wanted him more than Shiel

 

[Brezsa]

Has SOS gone silly, or something? First not speaking to every club before trading our first concession for pick 42, then this.

You think the first time the clubs spoke was yesterday?

SOS said in his 2 radio interviews yesterday, plus the one he did for the website, that the clubs have been talking all year.

List managers would probably be floating ideas with each other all year, not just from yesterday

 

[BrownDog20]

It's like McAdam turned into Robbie Gray once Shiel chose Essendon.

Tell me about it.
Most posters would probably not have even seen him play.

I am seeing the deal as two picks in the late 20’s for McGovern, which is a decent deal.

 

[Stamos]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[MitchRobinson12]

You think the first time the clubs spoke was yesterday?

SOS said in his 2 radio interviews yesterday, plus the one he did for the website, that the clubs have been talking all year.

List managers would probably be floating ideas with each other all year, not just from yesterday

Exactly right, if people think he traded that pick after only consulting 4 clubs then you are a moron.

 

[BlueTongue]

I have a feeling if Byrne doesn't return the Blues will snatch Brandon Ellis. Ellis is still in limbo.
I wouldn't mind him.
Sorry to disrail the Shiel to Blues thread

No. Please no. HUGELY overrated and he isn't rated that high. He played well above himself in the GF year because the whole club were running on hype. Now his bubble has been burst and this year's form was a reflection. Really do not want.

 

[Heres Waite]

Nothing to do with that. It’s just getting silly and unpleasant. Nobody is obligated to spend time on big footy. I’m just saying bye

Thanks EP! Thanks for all your info. I’m kinda feeling the same myself.