Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[HARKER]

Question for ITK people....if Smith was in next year's draft, where roughly would you think he would be taken?

Next years draft? What about last years draft?

I doubt he would have gone before Dow and Cerra. Maybe just before Brayshaw.

 

[tencentpiece]

Can't help but feel we'll always struggle to maintain a professional organisation if this is the decision making process around a potential generational talent suffering from a mild case of ennui...

He isn't a potential generational talent. Have you seen him play?

 

[blue healer]

FWIW - Has been stated that if his injury is career ending Hawks don't pay out contract inside TPP (and I'm sure there are some clauses in the contract as well).

If he was FA - it would be included in TPP.

Scully is contracted - has to agree to destination club.

It may also mean they can keep Shiel and not get shafted by Dodoro.

If this is true I see it as total BS.

Surely there is a buyer beware here, the Hawks have had ample opportunity and, presumably, the medical expertise to assess the long term impact of the injury to Scully.

If Scully is fit they have the bargain of the decade here but surely to expect, and get, a no risk trade like this is a laughable potential AFL sanctioned breach of the salary cap.

This organisation gets smellier by the day.

But... there is always a silver lining to the cloud. Setterfield (knee) and Fasolo (depression) come to us with pre-existing problems so, if those turn out to be career ending, we will be able to take advantage of this. Perhaps if we look hard enough we may find that McGovern stubbed his toe once whilst at Adelaide.

Is disappointing development career ending?

Pandoras Box right there.

 

[Arr0w]

Next years draft? What about last years draft?

I doubt he would have gone before Dow and Cerra. Maybe just before Brayshaw.

In front of Dow and Brayshaw

 

[Blue Runnings]

He isn't a potential generational talent. Have you seen him play?

I think the 5 minute you tube highlights was enough to make that assessment.

 

[dlb99]

The media pro Hawk bias is a bit hard to take:

Scully the ‘steal of the century’ and Scrimshaw is ‘Scott Pendlebury like’ apparently.

Really?

Ty Vickory version 2.0
I have no concerns about the Dawks being contenders.

 

[jimsta10]

He isn't a potential generational talent. Have you seen him play?

Hey mate, are we pretty much done with trades?

 

[ESKIE]

The media pro Hawk bias is a bit hard to take:

Scully the ‘steal of the century’ and Scrimshaw is ‘Scott Pendlebury like’ apparently.

Really?

Unbelievable I turned the radio off

 

[HARKER]

In front of Dow and Brayshaw

Cerra went at 5, with Brayshaw and Dow ahead of him. How does that work?
I know. Personal opinion. Professional opinion said otherwise.

Everyone sees things differently and again for me it would be Dow and Walsh as the two mids I'd want most from the past two years and it seems that at least the brains-trust at the CFC feel the same.

 

[agro]

If this is true I see it as total BS.

Surely there is a buyer beware here, the Hawks have had ample opportunity and, presumably, the medical expertise to assess the long term impact of the injury to Scully.

If Scully is fit they have the bargain of the decade here but surely to expect, and get, a no risk trade like this is a laughable potential AFL sanctioned breach of the salary cap.

This organisation gets smellier by the day.

But... there is always a silver lining to the cloud. Setterfield (knee) and Fasolo (depression) come to us with pre-existing problems so, if those turn out to be career ending, we will be able to take advantage of this. Perhaps if we look hard enough we may find that McGovern stubbed his toe once whilst at Adelaide.

Is disappointing development career ending?

Pandoras Box right there.

The AFL Commission and Gil McLaclan had to get this approved by a higher authority - Alistair Clarkson, Scott Brothers triumvirate.

 

[Aussie Joe]

Apparently MEL want more than #5 for Hogan. Talk of Cerra or Brayshaw being inquired about.

Would people do #1 for Cerra and #5? #1 would apparently placate MEL for Hogan, as it gives them access to Lukosius or a King to replace Hogan down the line.

The Melbourne recruiting team should be drug tested if that is the case. And not for performance enhancing drugs either!

 

[teknodeejay]

Shiel is not worth a top 5 pick this, next or any other year to come. His disposal is as wonderful as Andrew Carrazzo’s was. You don’t pay overs for a guy who will deliver lace out to the opposition. It’s not to say he couldn’t be handy but not at that price.

 

[tencentpiece]

Hey mate, are we pretty much done with trades?

Depends if other clubs approach us or not. Maybe we get involved in Shiel if Essendon don't cough up picks but I suspect we won't be involved. I think we will also get Newman but there is some uncertainty about that as well.

 

[Arr0w]

Cerra went at 5, with Brayshaw and Dow ahead of him. How does that work?
I know. Personal opinion. Professional opinion said otherwise.

Everyone sees things differently and again for me it would be Dow and Walsh as the two mids I'd want most from the past two years and it seems that at least the brains-trust at the CFC feel the same.

As you say, personal opinion, if those mids were in the same draft, I would have them in the following order

Cerra
Smith
Walsh
Dow/ (Constable)
Brayshaw

 

[jimsta10]

Depends if other clubs approach us or not. Maybe we get involved in Shiel if Essendon don't cough up picks but I suspect we won't be involved. I think we will also get Newman but there is some uncertainty about that as well.

Thanks mate

 

[StandByyourMan]

I know another stat Kerridge would miles ahead in....Fumbles!!! Most underrated stat their is.

And his “heart palpitations to supporters when in possession” are much higher than Newman’s.

 

[TD2010]

Love that SOS got ours out of the way early

Would be hilarious if the AFL have asked clubs to do this and someone gets cold feet making a deal fall over. The clubs would publicly blow the whistle on this shameless grandstanding. Fallout would be interesting

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[dlb99]

Garry just can’t belieeeeeeve what Hawthorn have done this off season, Scully the steal of the century

Clarko is a living God......it is what the media keep telling me. Sure, sure.

 

[Kramer1]

Aaron Hall speaks very well.

Five minutes in and not one yeah-nah and a minimum of obviouslys. Should hand in his players license.

Edit: dropped a yeah-nah literally as I pressed post.

 

[HARKER]

Depends if other clubs approach us or not. Maybe we get involved in Shiel if Essendon don't cough up picks but I suspect we won't be involved. I think we will also get Newman but there is some uncertainty about that as well.

Shame we're even discussing any potential gain of Shiel.
Essendon are committed and can't walk away now. They can.....but they just won't.

Looks like any possible shuffle of picks will be put aside for live trading now.
I still can't see the premium picks being exchanged come draft night, but anything is possible

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

Get this done! !

I like it blue fusion but send #5 to gws for Shiel and guzump those flogs the dopers
MAKE IT HAPPEN SOS!!!!!

 

[Red Bull]

The way the AFL.com site is dribbling on about how exciting the final day of the trade period will be has me definitely convinced these deals have been intentionally left until the last day...

The AFL really knows no bounds

All the deals have been sorted and will be done.
Definately arranged for television tonight.
The AFL not that far removed from the WWE these days in delivering entertainment first and foremost as entertainment =$$$ and thats always the bottom line for the AFL ...

 

[HARKER]

As you say, personal opinion, if those mids were in the same draft, I would have them in the following order

Cerra
Smith
Walsh
Dow/ (Constable)
Brayshaw

So the CFC are going to get it wrong.........again. All that intel and they just can't get it right. Damn.

 

[StandByyourMan]

Nic Newman is a no brainer. Will start on the ground. Don’t ask me who he replaces. He just will.

 

[ESKIE]

Will it happen ?