Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[KohPhi]

I've never watched any of the Throne of Games movies but that was pretty funny.

 

[cookie monster]

We have a stated intention to bring targetted 24-27 year olds into the club during this trade period.

Apart from McGovern who is getting paid a shiteload of money, how else are our List Management department meeting this KPI?

 

[ESKIE]

I'm rapt with our trade period.

2 quality players in for 3 second rounders. Pick 1 and next years 1st kept and still huge assets.

And no deckchairs.

We've turned the corner. Our list is stacked with young quality in quantity. Our offield is shaping up. Now it is up to the club to start improving and performing.

Quality result since the disastrous state of 2015.

The hard yards have mostly been done. The impatient and/or whingers have had their spleen venting time. Now it is the time of the patient. No ultimate success guaranteed, but we are back to relevancy. A monumental effort.

The fact we where even in the race for Shiel says a lot

Good post Terry

 

[blue healer]

Something really smells... GWS off-loading a sh** load of good players and depth... Scully, Shiel, Finlayson, Setterfield.. if I was the AFL that would definitely start perking up my ears to have a look at their books (wouldn't be surprised if they were over the cap this year)... but we know that AFL wouldn't kick GWS out of the trading, first 2 rounds for 2 years... probably feel sorry for them and give them another 5million in their cap.

Yeah, I reckon it needs looking at. I've never been able to see how they could be as much over the cap in 2019 as many think, I don't recall any big signings since Kelly last year and if they're in trouble now because they backloaded contracts then they have just been plainly incompetent.

 

[Blue Doormat]

Ok. Let’s be clear. I don’t know all the ins and outs of who recruiters are talking to. I hear things, and I share. I’m like a Big Footy Tyrion who drinks and knows things

Some things for people to bear in mind - Wingard and Scrimshaw - I’m not sure we’d want them at our club. Not optimal blokes

Scully - interesting but mega risky from an injury standpoint. Good player

Tyson - not the type of midfielder you’d add to a Cripps / Kennedy midfield

But here is the single biggest thing and people need to be realistic about this - we do not have much to trade. We won’t deal pick one. We’ve dealt our seconds. We have 42 now - big deal. We’d rather not trade our first next year. We will need our second next year (at least) for Setterfield. Our tradeable players have no trade currency. Stop believing all the bullshit about that. Nobody wants Casboult. Nobody wants Jones. Nobody is giving us anything decent for them. If anything at all. So how are we getting all these other players? I’ll tell you how - we’re not

That's a bit too ambiguous


Thanks EP.

 

[Dadda Dave]

The rumour about GWS being willing to trade Shiel, Setterfield and Scully for our pick one still makes me feel things. No guarantee it was on the table, but geez I would have pulled the trigger on that in a heartbeat. And partied like it was 1999.

Me too.

 

[Fat Kent]

Given we were prepared to forgo the two second rounders, why did Shane McAdam need to be thrown in? We sure could have used his type.

Two second rounders should have got it done by themselves.

Maybe we just didn't rate McAdam? We got a future pick upgrade out of him anyway. The AFL's 'assistance' was bizarre.

 

[Bic]

Ok. Let’s be clear. I don’t know all the ins and outs of who recruiters are talking to. I hear things, and I share. I’m like a Big Footy Tyrion who drinks and knows things

Some things for people to bear in mind - Wingard and Scrimshaw - I’m not sure we’d want them at our club. Not optimal blokes

Scully - interesting but mega risky from an injury standpoint. Good player

Tyson - not the type of midfielder you’d add to a Cripps / Kennedy midfield

But here is the single biggest thing and people need to be realistic about this - we do not have much to trade. We won’t deal pick one. We’ve dealt our seconds. We have 42 now - big deal. We’d rather not trade our first next year. We will need our second next year (at least) for Setterfield. Our tradeable players have no trade currency. Stop believing all the bullshit about that. Nobody wants Casboult. Nobody wants Jones. Nobody is giving us anything decent for them. If anything at all. So how are we getting all these other players? I’ll tell you how - we’re not

Thank you.

Can everyone else just shut up now with the dribble, we've done our business a lot earlier in the trade period that we're used too.

We can now start filling up the draft thread.

 

[dlb99]

Given we were prepared to forgo the two second rounders, why did Shane McAdam need to be thrown in? We sure could have used his type.

Two second rounders should have got it done by themselves.

We got a 3rd round pick back. Please list the complete trade, not just the selected part that looks bad.

 

[faible]

Matthew Kennedy was recruited to be the inside grunt help for Cripps.

He fudged his ankle in quarter 1 of game 1 this and was buggered up all year. Our health and fitness staff, I believe, mismanaged him.

We have a new high performance boss which should help get the best from Kennedy which will help Cripps.

Curnow should be up forward, he is our DeGoey, he will be very damaging now that McGovern is here.

Kennedy being fit is a big help; I love watching Cripps (even as an Essendon supporter) so it will be good to see him with some help around him.

Agree that Russell is a massive inclusion given his history at Hawthorn, I'd say it would have been a large part of the sell for Setterfield to work with him given the injury history he's had.

I see Curnow as a CHF type in the Carey mould personally; he's got the tank to work up the ground and is great overhead. Anchoring him in the F50 is a waste to me, but without knowing your list in detail:

Fasolo - Curnow - McGovern
McKay - Casboult(?) - Wright

Looks a fairly solid forward structure to build around given how mobile McGovern and Curnow both are. Casboult offers a good contested mark even though he's not a superstar, but not sure if there's someone better for that role on the list, and is probably the glaring hole for me at the moment.

 

[Arr0w]

So EP basically confirming what most of us thought after the McGovern trade; SOS traded away all our currency for one player.
Great

2 x 2nd rounders, all our currency?

Cookie, our real currency, are the young players we have brought in over the last 3 years

 

[ericpascoe]

Given we were prepared to forgo the two second rounders, why did Shane McAdam need to be thrown in? We sure could have used his type.

Two second rounders should have got it done by themselves.

“Should have” - maybe. But he had two years to run on a contract. And we’d made them pay through the nose for Gibbs. So they owed us one, they had all the leverage, they had all our comments about paying a premium for contracted players etc. You can’t rely on that when you’re selling a contracted player and then completely ignore it when you’re buying one!

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

To say any of those players bar Dow is quick is a real stretch. Pickett maybe but he can hardly be considered a mid at this point. We do not have speed.

Cuningham is quicker than Dow and Fish isn’t far behind.

 

[ctwenty1]

We have a stated intention to bring targetted 24-27 year olds into the club during this trade period.

Apart from McGovern who is getting paid a shiteload of money, how else are our List Management department meeting this KPI?

Well I’d like to think we are mature enough not to go for whoever fits that age bracket, but target quality. If our targets fall through then so be it. I’d be annoyed if we start selling the farm so it looks like we are doing the right thing. Don’t want to over pay for spuds

 

[BringBackSimmo]

So why hasn't it happened yet?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Given we were prepared to forgo the two second rounders, why did Shane McAdam need to be thrown in? We sure could have used his type.

Two second rounders should have got it done by themselves.

Obviously it wasn’t enough? Why Ian that hard to comprehend? SOS didn’t just give them McAdam for the **** of it.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Kennedy being fit is a big help; I love watching Cripps (even as an Essendon supporter) so it will be good to see him with some help around him.

Agree that Russell is a massive inclusion given his history at Hawthorn, I'd say it would have been a large part of the sell for Setterfield to work with him given the injury history he's had.

I see Curnow as a CHF type in the Carey mould personally; he's got the tank to work up the ground and is great overhead. Anchoring him in the F50 is a waste to me, but without knowing your list in detail:

Fasolo - Curnow - McGovern
McKay - Casboult(?) - Wright

Looks a fairly solid forward structure to build around given how mobile McGovern and Curnow both are. Casboult offers a good contested mark even though he's not a superstar, but not sure if there's someone better for that role on the list, and is probably the glaring hole for me at the moment.

Wright no longer with us and big Levi I will be playing vfl

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We have a stated intention to bring targetted 24-27 year olds into the club during this trade period.

Apart from McGovern who is getting paid a shiteload of money, how else are our List Management department meeting this KPI?

Gov isn’t getting paid a shiteload, Fasolo hits they age group too.

 

[Rosscoe]

I reckon McGovern is a game breaker and that is why we paid a premium..it’s not the sort of attribute you can recruit..it needs to be proven on the big stage..like a Rioli sort; not the best player until it is 3 mins to go and you are 5 points behind.

 

[GT619]

I'd say better than good

I’m being conservative

 

[HARKER]

We have a stated intention to bring targetted 24-27 year olds into the club during this trade period.

Apart from McGovern who is getting paid a shiteload of money, how else are our List Management department meeting this KPI?

That's a very fair point, but.....

We don't have any mature assets we can sell.
We don't want to move on any young assets.
We don't want to sell this years first.
We're not getting value for next years first.

I recall saying early in the piece, that I didn't know how SOS was going to pull-off all he wanted to and so it seems to be, given the above points.
Don't despair just yet though....That #1 is gold.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Kennedy being fit is a big help; I love watching Cripps (even as an Essendon supporter) so it will be good to see him with some help around him.

Agree that Russell is a massive inclusion given his history at Hawthorn, I'd say it would have been a large part of the sell for Setterfield to work with him given the injury history he's had.

I see Curnow as a CHF type in the Carey mould personally; he's got the tank to work up the ground and is great overhead. Anchoring him in the F50 is a waste to me, but without knowing your list in detail:

Fasolo - Curnow - McGovern
McKay - Casboult(?) - Wright

Looks a fairly solid forward structure to build around given how mobile McGovern and Curnow both are. Casboult offers a good contested mark even though he's not a superstar, but not sure if there's someone better for that role on the list, and is probably the glaring hole for me at the moment.

Wright retired... casboult wont be in there.

 

[Pablito]

Kennedy being fit is a big help; I love watching Cripps (even as an Essendon supporter) so it will be good to see him with some help around him.

Agree that Russell is a massive inclusion given his history at Hawthorn, I'd say it would have been a large part of the sell for Setterfield to work with him given the injury history he's had.

I see Curnow as a CHF type in the Carey mould personally; he's got the tank to work up the ground and is great overhead. Anchoring him in the F50 is a waste to me, but without knowing your list in detail:

Fasolo - Curnow - McGovern
McKay - Casboult(?) - Wright

Looks a fairly solid forward structure to build around given how mobile McGovern and Curnow both are. Casboult offers a good contested mark even though he's not a superstar, but not sure if there's someone better for that role on the list, and is probably the glaring hole for me at the moment.

Wright has retired and not many people would put casboult in our best 22 anymore with the emergence of McKay. I'd be surprised if he plays more than a dozen games next year.

 

[Gavstar]

2 x 2nd rounders, all our currency?

Cookie, our real currency, are the young players we have brought in over the last 3 years

There is still the draft, rookie draft and PSD to go?

I was thinking would GCS be interested in Kerr, probably still only worth a third round pick.... not enough currency to justify trading as he's back up for H, Charlie and McGov?

 

[ozdevil]

So why hasn't it happened yet?

does it need to happen today?

setterfield will get done. sos is probably holding onto a few cards and wanting to see what pans out.