Bluemour Discussion Thread XVII - Coniglio means Rabbit in Italian!

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This whole Cogs situation will end in tears. Hawks and Blues are very confident.

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I think one had to be there and if one wasn't then you cant make a judgement.
Footy was bloody hard and tough in those days.
Way tougher and mostly higher skills in generally more difficult conditions.
It wasnt like this modern rugby style tackle driven scrum of a game that prevails.
In those days if the score was low it was usually because of the weather conditions and mud not like now when they can't kick for nuts indoors with no wind and despite doing nothing else with their lives.
Tougher as in dirtier - yes. Definitely more thuggery. Tougher in terms of demands on the body - no. Repeat efforts, gut running, kms covered, pressure from taggers way more in todays footy. Skills considerably better ( aside from goal kicking) today.
Better to watch back then - most definitely.
 

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Name 5 hawthorn players other than Mitchell and JOM you would take at Carlton to win us a premiership and name the 5 Carlton players they replace?

Worpel, Hardwick, Impey, Sicily & Cousins

all 24 and under.

Talk of Hawthorn’s impending demise is over stated. They are bottoming out now and probably next year. After that who knows?
 
I'd like to think so, but what precisely about the AFL commission fills you with faith that they a) won't keep tampering with the game in order to try to attract more fans, to the detriment of their equalization measures (ala, the fixturing, including and up to the games they hold in China and have held in NZ in the past), b) won't continue to massage tribunal results and tamper with the fate of teams via suspension and fixturing, to ensure that they make the most money, or c) that the various rules committee won't continue to justify their existences by creating rules designed to do one thing yet have a number of flow on effects, such as how the no-runner rule cut down on how much coaching a first time coach could do for his young side when struck by injury, or how it increased the value of a trade for Luke Hodge to Brisbane.

We won't be around for 100 years - well, you mightn't; I fully intend to live to 150 - but the AFL is being run as though a small family business, with the appropriate levels of nepotism and unintended consequences of managerial decisions creating difficulties aplenty. Sure, these things could clear up in time, but my hopes towards that end are not high.

I don’t plan on dying. We are 20 years away from being able to transfer our human conscience into a machine. I look forward to being a robot over lord
 
There you go.
Same story being told across multiple clubs and each as sure as the other.

If we're being objective, Coniglio to Hawthorn makes more sense than him coming to us.
Hawthorn have the better development program, one of, if no the best culture in the competition, play regularly at the MCG and have the best coach.

We have money and a promise we'll get better. Not even a coach to sell just yet and then who's that going to be and will he be more appealing than Clarkson?

Coniglio may yet happen, but one can undesrtand why he'd choose The Hawks over us.

Riddle me this, if the Hawks are so awesome then;

- Why did Tom Lynch and Dylan Shiel not go the the Hawks last year?

- Why do the Hawks sit outside the 8 now

- When they do make finals why do they now lose in straight sets?

Coniglio is a excellent Italian name, the rabbit, a natural hunting ground is Lygon Street. He should choose us, not the poo & pees.
 
Perhaps the Cogs to Blues talk has been sent out by the Hawks as a smoke screen to cover his actual move there. His meeting with Clarko could have been a “yeah I’m coming to you guys” from Cogs and a “great now let’s keep a lid on it but we’re gonna be putting it out there that you’re more keen on the blues. So the heat stays off our deal” from Clarko.

Now where’s my tin foil hat...
Geese you have a vivid imagination. :)
 

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Tougher as in dirtier - yes. Definitely more thuggery. Tougher in terms of demands on the body - no. Repeat efforts, gut running, kms covered, pressure from taggers way more in todays footy. Skills considerably better ( aside from goal kicking) today.
Better to watch back then - most definitely.
Tougher in many many ways I think. I wasnt talking about thuggery at all. Thats another topic altogether.
Those blokes were hard as nails, worked all week trained at night after work. Were incredibly fit for the day and played for keeps.
No comparison with todays game. Yeah they run hard today and tackle a lot and can handball out of tackles like houdini. Not much else if we are honest. How can they with such prevalent crowding tactics. Geez if a bloke gets half a metre off the ground on his lonesome these days and catches the ball they call it a speccie.
 
Exactly.

People - mainly indians - try to attack Bradman's era; 'played against amateurs, uncovered pitches weren't that hard, never played in Asia'. But he was a batsman again ahead of his peers, and if it was that easy to average 99.94, there'd be more people back then averaging much higher.

With the quality of the players in Asia at that time I'd reckon he'd average close to 150 had he played there.
 
Surely if pick 8 (best case scenario crows pick) is on tbe table the swans just take it

What's the point in keeping an unhappy player for a year, they are never going to get a higher pick than 8 for a small forward.


Gibbs says hello. Swans well within their rights to say no. Think a lot of people are underselling Papley.
 
Outside of Norm Smith, can you name me a coach who has had as much success in a short period of time?

Four flags in seven years. Four top four finishes outside of that in the past ten years.

Even with a depleted list, he's still got them within finals contention this year.

That's my point, now with an average list, he is having average results.

If you eliminate the top 5 sides, who clearly have better lists (Lions great run of injuries), Hawks are still middle of the pack when you consider sides like Crows, Bombers, Dogs, Port

Where I think Clarkson is "great" and similar to the likes of Matthews and Sheedy, he is ruthless with the playing list and always coaching with an eye to the future, but he is not yet in their league
 
Probably Teague not wanting to take away from crippas 100th. I wouldn't worry about the noise coming out of hawthorn re: cogs


No it's just Harks with his conspiracy theories in regards to the Coaching Selection Panel.

but not sure that all parties were on the same page in regards to the appointment
 
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