I agree about the negative supporters, but I disagree that many were tongue in cheek.
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I agree about the negative supporters, but I disagree that many were tongue in cheek.
That's the way to do it. Not much point in drafting a young ruckman in the ND.
It takes them 5-6 years to start really performing consistently.
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We don't need to do that in one shot. No-one here thinks that Carlton will be pushing up the ladder any time soon so we will have a few more cracks with early draft picks in the coming years.
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Second ruck plays as a KPP 80% of the time. Cas is perfect for it
I would hate to lose Kruezer but if we were sure that it results in tier 1 compo (and I reckon he's worth that if Frawley was) I don't see how we could knock that back.
It has been reported that Martin wants to return to Melbourne and, if this is the case, would it be silly to suggest we could trade Bell for him (might need an exchange of later picks)?
Unlike Bell, Martin is out of contract and Brisbane are at the mercy of the trade table. If their going to lose him they may take that exchange. I guess it would depend on how much they wanted Bell.
I want Kreuz to stay, but if we can get Pick 2... bye bye.
If the future is the focus, then that's the way we must look at it.
In about 4 years time when our list is fully built and we re ready to have a crack at the big prize. Kreuz will be reaching the twilight of his Career (if his body allows him to last that long), while Weitering/Schache will just about be ready to enter the prime of theirs. That's when we ll kick ourselves for not pulling the trigger with Kreuz when we had the chance (ala the decision to not keep JK in the Judd trade).
If the future is the focus, then that's the way we must look at it.
In about 4 years time when our list is fully built and we re ready to have a crack at the big prize. Kreuz will be reaching the twilight of his Career (if his body allows him to last that long), while Weitering/Schache will just about be ready to enter the prime of theirs. That's when we ll kick ourselves for not pulling the trigger with Kreuz when we had the chance (ala the decision to not keep JK in the Judd trade).
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As someone mentioned earlier, the club is REALLY pushing the 'bleed for the jumper' vibe as part of the rebuild / rebrand etc. I honestly cannot see how trading Kreuzer DOESN'T directly clash with this attitude. Do we want our club to stand for something or not?
Yeah I don't think SOS could refuse that, the risk would just be too great. If we did refuse and Kreuzer were to get another long-term (possibly career-ending) injury in the near future, it's the sort of decision that could be career-ending for the list manager too.
The problem with a player like Menzel is that they can be the sort of icing on the cake type player that takes a good team to a great one (like Cyril). Those sort of players are wasted in a young rebuilding side because they don't get the opportunity to shine. So I wouldn't be adverse to that IF the deal was a good one for us. I certainly think he is expendable given where we are at.
See also Yarran, C.
Re Kreuze - the history of large men with those foot problems makes for fairly sobering reading. If pick 2 is around, I reckon the club will grab it. Then I will cry.
We do need to stand for something yes, but within reason. That passion has to be balanced by sensible list decisions. You'd have to weigh up the chances of Kreuzer staying uninjured and improving vs the chances that Scache will make it and be a very good KP forward, while factoring in the time that both would have left in the game. It would be a very contentious decision to keep Kreuzer under the circumstances, and one that could open up a list manager to lots of scrutiny.
Definitely feel like the 'safe' decision for a list manager's career longevity would be to let Kreuzer go for pick 2.
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I get what you are saying, but its not about passion. Its about the message the CLUB is promoting - to supporters, backers AND players. By taking such a strong stance on Hendo (which is fine) and potentially Yarran then how can Mackay / Trigg come out and justify a Kreuzer trade - when everyone in the footy world sees him as Carlton's spiritual leader? I honestly think that it would be impossible to do.
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If we did lose Kruezer, Martain would be a great pick up. Could even be a PSD option.
He plays in a similar style to Kruezer but is much more prolific.
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3 year deal I believe is on the table. And it's only a matter of time. Although I suspect things may have changed since the Ratten scenario over the weekend.
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If Bell is keen to go home, I would like us to have a crack at Brandon Matera. I read somewhere about a month ago that even though he is contracted, the Suns would entertain a trade. Might need to do a swap of 2nd round picks to make it happen. I feel we need a small forward who can be dangerous & hit the scoreboard regularly. Getting sick of watching us get centre clearances only for the opposition defence to constantly sweep the ball out of our attack & hurting us the other way. Clem & Army are honest triers without having that goalsense the great small forwards have.
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Here are the original posts on Currie for any who can't be bothered searching.
Would love to get him reasonably cheap if at all possible. North aren't giving him any game time, so you'd think he might be amenable. He's 7 months younger than Goldstein, so no chance he can just wait for Goldy to retire before stepping up.
Would love to get him reasonably cheap if at all possible. North aren't giving him any game time, so you'd think he might be amenable. He's 7 months younger than Goldstein, so no chance he can just wait for Goldy to retire before stepping up.
Matera highly rated - would be a great addition and reckon that trade could be done value wise (Bell for Matera straight or with 21<>29 swap) but just something about him seems to me that he has a poor attitude. Saying this, I've never met the bloke so may be completely wrong.
I don't think it would cost all that much to nab a ruck man such as Zac Smith, Gorringe, Martin, Lycett/Sinclair...2nd rounder at most, which i think is more than fine to give up for a good first ruck...in a shallow draft and knowing us that second rounder wouldn't play a game for the club anyway.
Not a Matera fan.
Has plenty of what you'd think you'd like in a footballer, but just doesn't get it enough and doesn't work hard enough to get it enough.
Just from an outside perspective, i wouldn't.
Menzel is only a few years into his career...do we expect we can get better with the pick?
Has shown some glimpses of talent but also glimpses of competitiveness and eagerness to win...
I guess it comes back to how much he wants to play for the club...if he is 100% committed then i wouldn't accept that deal, but if he's a bit flakey and may want out anyway then id jump at a first rounder.
White and Lynch.
Have all been tried as back up ruckman/forwards and now they are looking at Vickery.
Cap rotations will mean a guy who can be a ruckman/mid/forward like Krooz is very handy.
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