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Dow doesn't offer us a point of difference as an inside outside mid as some are saying. A point of difference would be a player like Butters or Rozee who have genuine speed to burn from stoppage and in space. Dow has good acceleration from stoppage but plods in general play.

Imo it's a battle between Hewett and Kennedy for whoever's in the best form/health for the last spot in the 22 and Dow misses out. His defensive pressure is behind all of our starting mids and that's why he's been in the 2s the last few years. Good back up as we've seen but I'd take any of the others ahead of him any day of the week.
If Dow wants to stay on quite basic money, he would surely be welcome. Realistically he is sixth or probably even seventh in line of our midfielders. Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, Kennedy, Docherty, then Dow. Hollands will become a mid rather than winger in time. All bar Dow contracted for two years or better. No matter how popular he is, and despite some very decent showings, we can’t carry costly depth. It would be poor list management. Acres can go inside. Un signed Cuningham and Fogarty at least pinch hitters as is Fisher who is fielding offers.

It is a numbers game. Unless he is happy to take considerable unders, Paddy’s number is up. We can’t keep them all.

TBH I am more concerned about Jack Silvagni. Great clubman, great utility. Does not get a game with current system while our two rucks and Jack Martin are fit. Offers back up in many positions, but he is better than a depth player. A free agent who has his destiny in his own hands. The young man will be torn. Probably gets double the money elsewhere and likely more playing opportunity. He is a professional football from a family of savvy operators. Some of the internal “noise” over the journey may just offset the family heritage. Would love him in our next flag team, but little guarantee he will get a game.

Similarly Cuningham, Marchbank and Fogarty likely have offers, but they will be discounted due to injury. Can see other clubs taking the gamble and offering middling contracts for the first two.

There will be some pain before the off season concludes. Almost impossible to predict where as yet.
 
I agree..
But on the flipside, if we're getting to the stage when we are moving on good footballers, then our list must be pretty bloody healthy.

Not to blame him but the Williams contract is a bit of a disaster right now...no meaningful return from him in 3 years.

On a big contract and can't help but think it might hamper us from keeping some guys like JSOS, Dow and Fish.

Guys like Cinc, Fisher and Boyd stepping up mean we don't really need him either and those 3 would be on modest contracts. Williams might be a better player than those 3, but his injury history and substantially bigger contract isn't worth the difference.
 

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Not to blame him but the Williams contract is a bit of a disaster right now...no meaningful return from him in 3 years.

On a big contract and can't help but think it might hamper us from keeping some guys like JSOS, Dow and Fish.

Guys like Cinc, Fisher and Boyd stepping up mean we don't really need him either and those 3 would be on modest contracts. Williams might be a better player than those 3, but his injury history and substantially bigger contract isn't worth the difference.
You win some and you lose some. Currently we are losing some with Williams out. But it doesn't mean we can't win some next year and beyond.

No matter who is squeezed out, if Williams stays injury free next year, we will reap the rewards. Quality player
 
Do we try to trade out Honey, Durdin, Carrol, et al. to free up cap space to keep Dow and JSOS?

Which depth is more important and which players have the most value/output to $$$/contract time ratio?

It's difficult... We've seen seemingly 'average' (relatively speaking) players come in and be superstars in their role now.

Tough decisions.
I’d delist/trade Marchbank and Cunners to keep Dow and JSOS
... if they’re not picked up then rookie them.
 
Cuners has to stay. He’s looked a bit tired the last couple of weeks, but his skill set is unique and invaluable. Marchy may be squeezed out. I think as good as he’s been, Fish will still be moved on, freeing up space. Dow, I’d love him to stay but the lure of more or less guaranteed footy may be too strong. That leaves room for JSOS to stay I reckon.

Not contract related but there is no way Hewett is out of this side when fit, ever. His composure and decision making has been vital in tight contests the last couple of weeks. The exact type of bloke you need come finals time.
 
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I’d delist/trade Marchbank and Cunners to keep Dow and JSOS
... if they’re not picked up then rookie them.
Marchbank should be on base wage and Cunners not much more imo. I think those other two would be looking at closer to $350-400k.
I don’t think one will affect the other
 
I still think we really need to be careful with our balance/mix of mids that we currently have/keep and how that look’s moving forward.
Imo I’d nearly rather keep Dow and let go of Kennedy. Gives us a bit of point of difference through the middle. Feels like the better mix to me.
This would be my thinking too
As much as I like what Kennedy has done to get the most out of himself I think he’s more the Nick Duigan than the Nick Stevens comparison (some great cameo performances but not an ongoing commodity when there’s arguably younger, more appropriate options), and it’s time to move on.
 
You do not get rid of a player like cuningham. He is obviously finding it difficult to run out his first season after a couple off. You do not give away a player with immense skill, strength, ability to mark and kick goals.
100%. His skill set and physical abilities are so rare. Incredibly strong through the hips so he breaks through tackles easily and then so quick with the handball. Is also a great kick inside 50 and at goal. Having him and Martin in the front half having both finally found some continuity has been a major factor in our rise.
 
Everyone fit, Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy, Walsh, Cerra

Rotations of Doc, Fog, plus others

Can't see Dow in the side, but might retain the sub role
Dow's loyalty and persistence has blinded supporters who think he is more than "a good ordinary player",on the cusp of our best 22 and a delight to have as back up when the big 5 get injured.
 

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You do not get rid of a player like cuningham. He is obviously finding it difficult to run out his first season after a couple off. You do not give away a player with immense skill, strength, ability to mark and kick goals.

What's a better option - Cuners or a 3rd or 4th round draft pick?

Not a hard one really....
 
100%. His skill set and physical abilities are so rare. Incredibly strong through the hips so he breaks through tackles easily and then so quick with the handball. Is also a great kick inside 50 and at goal. Having him and Martin in the front half having both finally found some continuity has been a major factor in our rise.
Both Cuners and Martin can kick goals from 50+.

Not many others can - Guv, Charlie, maybe Harry & Doc (sometimes)....
 
This would be my thinking too
As much as I like what Kennedy has done to get the most out of himself I think he’s more the Nick Duigan than the Nick Stevens comparison (some great cameo performances but not an ongoing commodity when there’s arguably younger, more appropriate options), and it’s time to move on.

The way Kennedy has fought back to be in the starting line up is very similar to Dow’s storyline.

The only difference is Bam Bam also had to overcome a debilitating ankle injury that nearly cost him his career.

We have lauded Dow for his resilience, let’s not forget that same trait in Kennedy’s narrative.

I think Kennedy has a broad enough skill set to warrant a place in our best 22, how all the mids fit together is a challenge, ditching him or any other mids to keep Dow from leaving for more game time seems to be “cutting off your nose to spite your face”!!!


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Both Cuners and Martin can kick goals from 50+.

Not many others can - Guv, Charlie, maybe Harry & Doc (sometimes)....
Yeah you’re right. Charlie and Jack M have proven they can nail pressure shots from 50+ a few times, we know Gov can do it easily on the run. Harry can get the distance bloody easily but the accuracy is a big worry. As you said Cuners can do it too. Doc can do it depending on how heavy his legs are. Apart from them I reckon Saad can and Cincotta if he strikes it well.

Hoping to see some of the other boys have a crack haha.
 
The way Kennedy has fought back to be in the starting line up is very similar to Dow’s storyline.

The only difference is Bam Bam also had to overcome a debilitating ankle injury that nearly cost him his career.

We have lauded Dow for his resilience, let’s not forget that same trait in Kennedy’s narrative.

I think Kennedy has a broad enough skill set to warrant a place in our best 22, how all the mids fit together is a challenge, ditching him or any other mids to keep Dow from leaving for more game time seems to be “cutting off your nose to spite your face”!!!


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Love Mattie. Can't see why we don't rotate our mids. We have an amazing group. Keep them fresh.
 
I don't think it's really practical to shaft Kennedy with 2 years of contract left to keep Dow.
Kennedy is no doubt a very good player...

I don't see where both Kennedy & Hewett fits in the same best 22 anymore...

What Dow has at least shown speed from the contest has transformed our midfield...
By no means am I saying Dow is the answer, but a player that can defend with speed and foot skills would make our midfield much better...
 
You do not get rid of a player like cuningham. He is obviously finding it difficult to run out his first season after a couple off. You do not give away a player with immense skill, strength, ability to mark and kick goals.

Agree 100%. Keen to see what he can do with a full pre-season that allows him to spend more time rotating through the midfield. He's pure class when he up & about.
 
Both Cuners and Martin can kick goals from 50+.

Not many others can - Guv, Charlie, maybe Harry & Doc (sometimes)....

Saad could if he played more as a HFF/Wingman. He can really roost the footy !
 
Kennedy is no doubt a very good player...

I don't see where both Kennedy & Hewett fits in the same best 22 anymore...

What Dow has at least shown speed from the contest has transformed our midfield...
By no means am I saying Dow is the answer, but a player that can defend with speed and foot skills would make our midfield much better...
You might see it on Sunday.
 
Fish is third string half back, Doc is a lot better, Williams is miles ahead, Fish/Boyd is arguable & Cowan is coming thru as well. A few weeks running around without a lot of responsibility doesn’t make him a damaging half back. He’s been good, but we already have better, depth & a kid coming thru
We might also have future prospects that will join the club next couple of years. Though, they may/will take a few years to come on.

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We're not. We just re-signed McGovern... :p
Yes, the typo was funny.

I have to say though, I reckon it might be time to put the Gov=fat or brackets thing to bed. He's done the hard yards to come back from that. Do we need to keep bringing it back up? At what point can we give the bloke some respect?

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