Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[gab213]

We're owed a well ran club.

We're owed a team that is entertaining to watch.

We're owed success.

Do you need to be reminded the club is owned by the members?

We aren't actually owed any of that, it's what we want, we all want those things but are 'owed' it, no.


Mate, we don't really own the club, we aren't shareholders as such. They may say we own the club but really we are season ticket holders.

If the club was wound up tomorrow you'd own no part of anything the club owned, nor would you be owed anything.

 

[Bostonian]

So, what are we actually 'owed' as members? I know we are season ticket holders and have the right to vote at general and special meetings, these are all things that come with membership but what are we 'owed'?

I would say that it would be prudent for the club to engage with its members, which it does, but that isn't something 'owed' to us.

We're owed success.

If those voted in by the members can't deliver that then they need to go.

 

[gab213]

We're owed success.

If those voted in by the members can't deliver that then they need to go.

Nobody in any sphere of life is ever 'owed' success, you can strive for it but no matter what you do it's never guaranteed. There's 17 other clubs striving for the same thing every year, only one can achieve the ultimate success.

This is my whole argument, you keep implying that we are entitled to something when, we really aren't, it's what we desire.

I want success too but in no way do I feel that I'm owed it or entitled to it.

 

[Bostonian]

We aren't actually owed any of that, it's what we want, we all want those things but are 'owed' it, no.


Mate, we don't really own the club, we aren't shareholders as such. They may say we own the club but really we are season ticket holders.

If the club was wound up tomorrow you'd own no part of anything the club owned, nor would you be owed anything.

We are absolutely owed all of that.

That's the measurable things the club needs to deliver to it's members.

Why should anyone become a member if there's no expectations to be met on their behalf?

 

[Stamos]

We are absolutely owed all of that.

That's the measurable things the club needs to deliver to it's members.

Why should anyone become a member if there's no expectations to be met on their behalf?

Question, do you reckon St Kilda's members are 'owed' success?
Or just Carlton's?

 

[HarryBeef]

Bit like praying before a game really.

 

[gab213]

We are absolutely owed all of that.

That's the measurable things the club needs to deliver to it's members.

Why should anyone become a member if there's no expectations to be met on their behalf?

We see the Club in different ways. To me, the club is more than the team that represents it. I desperately want the team to be successful but I don't at all feel that it's 'owed' to me.

I'm enjoying the way we are playing right now and if that leads to ultimate success that's great but even if it doesn't I'm enjoying the ride right now.

 

[Bostonian]

Nobody in any sphere of life is ever 'owed' success, you can strive for it but no matter what you do it's never guaranteed. There's 17 other clubs striving for the same thing every year, only one can achieve the ultimate success.

This is my whole argument, you keep implying that we are entitled to something when, we really aren't, it's what we desire.

I want success too but in no way do I feel that I'm owed it or entitled to it.

The members are owed success.

The club owes it to our members to be successful.

Pumping in millions
year after year for little reward gives members the right to expect their investment in the club leads to success.

 

[gab213]

The members are owed success.

The club owes it to our members to be successful.

Pumping in millions
year after year for little reward gives members the right to expect their investment in the club leads to success.

Nope, you want it, we all want it but it's not owed to us. It's not something that you can just 'expect'.

 

[Bostonian]

Question, do you reckon St Kilda's members are 'owed' success?
Or just Carlton's?

Of course they are.

Why wouldn't they be?

The fact their fans have been let down constantly by poor management that's wasted the resources they have poured into the club over the years means they have every right to demand success.

We have far less excuses for not achieving success than they do given our huge supporter base and our massive business network behind us.

 

[Bostonian]

Nope, you want it, we all want it but it's not owed to us. It's not something that you can just 'expect'.

You're arguing for a non accountable system then.

No need to worry about achieving success because the board aren't accountable to anyone but themselves. Fans are irrelevant.

No wonder we've been in the shit so long.

 

[gab213]

You're arguing for a non accountable system then.

No need to worry about achieving success because the board aren't accountable to anyone but themselves. Fans are irrelevant.

No wonder we've been in the s**t so long.

That isn't at all what I'm arguing. I expect maximum effort, I expect people to do the very best to give us the best opportunity to succeed but success itself is not 'owed' to me or anyone else. If that was the case then everybody would be successful and it just doesn't happen that way.

 

[Stamos]

Of course they are.

Why wouldn't they be?

The fact their fans have been let down constantly by poor management that's wasted the resources they have poured into the club over the years means they have every right to demand success.

We have far less excuses for not achieving success than they do given our huge supporter base and our massive business network behind us.

I think there is a big difference between 'demanding' success, and it being 'owed' to you.

 

[Bostonian]

That isn't at all what I'm arguing. I expect maximum effort, I expect people to do the very best to give us the best opportunity to succeed but success itself is not 'owed' to me or anyone else. If that was the case then everybody would be successful and it just doesn't happen that way.

That's because some teams have boards that think they don't owe the fans anything and run the club accordingly.

We have enough history of people running the club who cares only for their agendas and not the fans.

 

[Bostonian]

I think there is a big difference between 'demanding' success, and it being 'owed' to you.

There's not.

They owe it to each and everyone of us who've been putting our hard earned into the club to make success a reality.

They have ****ed it up so often that they owe us a huge amount of gratitude and success to the fans who turned up each season as members despite their ineptitude.

We should be past the point of us needing to be demanding it, they should now be at the point they know they owe it to us.

 

[Aphrodite]

Bluemours ANYONE!

 

[gab213]

Bluemours ANYONE!

Can I get a coffee instead?

 

[thylacine60]

We aren't actually owed any of that, it's what we want, we all want those things but are 'owed' it, no.


Mate, we don't really own the club, we aren't shareholders as such. They may say we own the club but really we are season ticket holders.

If the club was wound up tomorrow you'd own no part of anything the club owned, nor would you be owed anything.

Give it away, gab. Just close the nursery door and hope the howling & bawling dies down.

 

[Arr0w]

There's not.

They owe it to each and everyone of us who've been putting our hard earned into the club to make success a reality.

They have ****ed it up so often that they owe us a huge amount of gratitude and success to the fans who turned up each season as members despite their ineptitude.

We should be past the point of us needing to be demanding it, they should now be at the point they know they owe it to us.

You think you contributing to the club via membership would inturn be the difference between success and failure?

If you are dissatisfied, contact the club and share your thoughts, if you don't like the response, cancel your membership and walk away

Or, continue to believe that any form of ranting, abuse directed at anyone employed at the club will have a positive effect

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

funny how acknowledging aspects of the club when winning is considered too much, yet lose some games and it's evisceration of everyone from studder to pres.......

Who said it's too much to acknowledge the club? Nobody said that. I certainly didn't. I said a review with the purpose of singling someone out for props wasn't appropriate because this is a whole of club impressive improvement.

Nonsense post

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

The members are owed success.

The club owes it to our members to be successful.

Pumping in millions
year after year for little reward gives members the right to expect their investment in the club leads to success.

If you want to say the members are owed something, it's effort. In the community and on the field. I think Carlton has been trying very hard in both aspects.

Success is a byproduct and not something that can really be owed or promised even.

 

[Bostonian]

If you want to say the members are owed something, it's effort. In the community and on the field. I think Carlton has been trying very hard in both aspects.

Success is a byproduct and not something that can really be owed or promised even.

I'm pretty confident the coach and some players would think the fans are owed some success.

I'm sure Voss would feel that way.

If they play like crap they should feel like they let us down.

If they are genuine they should feel they owe us something for serving up substandard play.

It's a good motivational factor.

The game is nothing without the fans.

 

[yibbida]

Bluemours ANYONE!

We are owed a Bluemour....

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I'm pretty confident the coach and some players would think the fans are owed some success.

I'm sure Voss would feel that way.

If they play like crap they should feel like they let us down.

If they are genuine they should feel they owe us something for serving up substandard play.

It's a good motivational factor.

The game is nothing without the fans.

Define success - it's actually not just a measure of the trophy cabinet. Its community involvement, profit etc etc. Any club that defines success as just winning the comp will develop an unsustainable environment and collapse. Or do what Essendon did with their drug program.

The club is passing in most metrics these days . If they continue whole of club and keep every part ticking over well 'success' may come but we'll not drop much or for long.

 

[myblueroan]

Bluemours ANYONE!

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