Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[ferrisb]

Suggestion earlier was that they're looking to split 4 for the Bulldogs' 10 and 17, I think.

Gotcha - I missed that!

I am thrown out by the fact that we're in September and it isn't silly season yet!!!

 

[bradfisher14]

Looks like Boak is on the way out at Port.

Would we have any interest in him for an older mentor/playing coach role?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

What pick would we receive for Corey Durdin?
Can't see all of Cunners, Mots, Owies, Fog and Durds in the team. Think we are over covered for small forwards, but short on medium marking types.

 

[Stamos]

What pick would we receive for Corey Durdin?
Can't see all of Cunners, Mots, Owies, Fog and Durds in the team. Think we are over covered for small forwards, but short on medium marking types.

We won't be trading Durdin.
He's more talented than, Fog (and Owies for that matter) but 3 years younger, and contracted.

With Dow and Fisher seemingly on the way out, I don't think we're going to need the list spot, either.

 

[Arr0w]

If we're going to help GC out with extra points we need to either bring our future first rounder forward, or trading Dow and/or Fisher to improve our hand first.

Dow to St Kilda for Pick 31.
Fisher to NM for Pick 39.
Picks 16 and 31 to GC for Pick 10 and Hollands (assuming GC send 4 to the Dogs for 10 and 17).

Pick 10 maybe gets us O'Sullivan.
Pick 39 gets us a slider (would DeLean or Moir slip that far back?)
Money saved on Fisher and Dow gets us a free agent (ie. Harmes or Gresham).

O'Sullivan - long term key defensive post sorted.
Hollands + Harmes/Gresham/whoever - short term half forward/mid options sorted.
Best available at 39, no idea what we get there.

Many are well in their right to believe Dow is a better player than Fisher, but contract status plays a major role, so if we are getting 39 for Fish, can't see Dow being worth 31

 

[thegreatbeast]

What pick would we receive for Corey Durdin?
Can't see all of Cunners, Mots, Owies, Fog and Durds in the team. Think we are over covered for small forwards, but short on medium marking types.

I would be genuinely gutted if we traded Durdin. He is still very young. He is tenacious. He reminds me of a young Papley but with less ******** about him.

 

[thegreatbeast]

Many are well in their right to believe Dow is a better player than Fisher, but contract status plays a major role, so if we are getting 39 for Fish, can't see Dow being worth 31

It may be something in return. The exact number is going to be dependent on pick availability. I reckon futures would be more beneficial for us considering there's twins coming up next season.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

We won't be trading Durdin.
He's more talented than, Fog (and Owies for that matter) but 3 years younger, and contracted.

With Dow and Fisher seemingly on the way out, I don't think we're going to need the list spot, either.

I was thinking of a contracted player that might be worth a reasonable pick, that wasn't crucially needed?
Trying to move our pick closer to the top of this years draft.
Is there any others?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Many are well in their right to believe Dow is a better player than Fisher, but contract status plays a major role, so if we are getting 39 for Fish, can't see Dow being worth 31

It's probably too late, but only receiving something like pick 45 for a player that is developing like Dow, is the major reason to re-contract him.
Someone is going to get an absolute bargain.

 

[Arr0w]

It may be something in return. The exact number is going to be dependent on pick availability. I reckon futures would be more beneficial for us considering there's twins coming up next season.

I suspect we will want future picks for the Campo boys

It's probably too late, but only receiving something like pick 45 for a player that is developing like Dow, is the major reason to re-contract him.
Someone is going to get an absolute bargain.

Uncontracted think Dow is worth around a mid 3rd, similar to Setters

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I suspect we will want future picks for the Campo boys


Uncontracted think Dow is worth around a mid 3rd, similar to Setters

You might be close, and I know we've picked up a couple of cheapies recently(George & Acres) but this why I'd rather move on a contracted player of no great needs.
Think Dow would have a nice contract in front of him for the next 3-4 years, so it's probably out of our hands.

 

[Arr0w]

You might be close, and I know we've picked up a couple of cheapies recently(George & Acres) but this why I'd rather move on a contracted player of no great needs.
Think Dow would have a nice contract in front of him for the next 3-4 years, so it's probably out of our hands.

Even contracted players are required, it will come down to pecking order, salary and value in trade

At best Dow will be offered 2-3 on below average salary, say 250-300K

 

[thegreatbeast]

Even contracted players are required, it will come down to pecking order, salary and value in trade

At best Dow will be offered 2-3 on below average salary, say 250-300K

By another club or by us?

It definitely depends on where he lands, but he would get more like 400k-500k at North, surely.

 

[Arr0w]

By another club or by us?

It definitely depends on where he lands, but he would get more like 400k-500k at North, surely.

Acres is older, but only on 350K, no way Dow is gets that money

 

[Blue__Balls]

Many are well in their right to believe Dow is a better player than Fisher, but contract status plays a major role, so if we are getting 39 for Fish, can't see Dow being worth 31

Just going by what the likely destination clubs have to offer.

I've also got both of them pegged around the early thirties. Reports coming through that this draft may only run into the 40s, so I'm interpreting that as picks 50+ having negligible value to most clubs, and picks 30-49 being valued similarly to picks 40-60 in other years. A reduced draft pool, to me, likely means a diminished valuation of picks past the "elite" bracket. That might be completely incorrect, but it's how I read the situation.

So yeah, early thirties for both.

Saints have 31, feels right for Dow given we have offered him a few years and his senior form has been good. SOS paid more for injured former first rounders when he was with us, I reckon he'll pay that for Dow if he rates him. He might haggle for future swaps or something else, but if they've got other deals they want to do then hopefully we can present him with an easy close so he can focus his attention elsewhere.

NM have 39, feels slight unders for Fisher given what NM are reportedly offering him, but I think it's a case of us wanting to let him go for our list management reasons. As such, expect we'll take the pick as it is rather than haggling over the half dozen spots that we might like the pick to be improved.

There's also the possibility that we "steak knives" the deals out collectively. Squeeze NM for a little more (future fourth, Pick ~56), toss in Pick 50 along with Dow so SOS can go to work on trying to package his picks up. We stock up on a few extra points for the Campo's at the expense of a pick we won't use this year anyway.

 

[BlueTongue]

We won't be trading Durdin.
He's more talented than, Fog (and Owies for that matter) but 3 years younger, and contracted.

With Dow and Fisher seemingly on the way out, I don't think we're going to need the list spot, either.

Thought Fish had only just re-signed for another 2 years? Doubt he'd be traded.
EDIT: OK - July last year isn't recent but he's contracted until 2025?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Thought Fish had only just re-signed for another 2 years? Doubt he'd be traded.
EDIT: OK - July last year isn't recent but he's contracted until 2025?

Think he will be traded. Surplus to our needs and not best 22 anymore.

 

[The Bighouse]

Think he will be traded. Surplus to our needs and not best 22 anymore.

And being offered more coin, tenure & opportunity to play midfield.

 

[passmark]

Looks like Boak is on the way out at Port.

Would we have any interest in him for an older mentor/playing coach role?

Just coaching I would think.
He can’t hold his own on the field anymore.

 

[macky99]

Even contracted players are required, it will come down to pecking order, salary and value in trade

At best Dow will be offered 2-3 on below average salary, say 250-300K

Think it will be better than that.
Much better player than Setterfield which will be evident.
Dow has done nothing to damage his reputation given the opportunity late in the season, he just needs consistent opportunities at this level, can see at 3-4 clubs being in the mix.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Think it will be better than that.
Much better player than Setterfield which will be evident.
Dow has done nothing to damage his reputation given the opportunity late in the season, he just needs consistent opportunities at this level, can see at 3-4 clubs being in the mix.

Carlton would probably fork out more than 250k, he'll get a better deal than that.
But it's all speculation, details aren't disclosed.

 

[Arr0w]

Think it will be better than that.
Much better player than Setterfield which will be evident.
Dow has done nothing to damage his reputation given the opportunity late in the season, he just needs consistent opportunities at this level, can see at 3-4 clubs being in the mix.

Can't see him being a starting 3 mid at any club, so doubt he get 400-500K a year

 

[DangerousD]

GC want to trade pick 4 for points, Hollands might be part of that deal with a suitable party

Pick 4 is worth 2034, what’s realistic in terms of cost to buy that pick?

 

[DangerousD]

Cook was at the Cats whilst they continued to add older players to the list for very little cost, we got Acres last year and now there’s an article li king us to Harmes, i think Boak is a bit past it but I’m sure there would be a few senior players that would fit right in at the Blues.

But looking at the list of out of contract players, the cupboard looks bare for now.

 

[macky99]

Can't see him being a starting 3 mid at any club, so doubt he get 400-500K a year

Most players at the 2nd tier level have a base & incentives, he will play 20 + games at another club which will equate to $400-$450k.

He is absolutely unlucky to be out of the team based on a very solid month, definitely will get a regular game at a another club next year, has shown a fantastic attitude over the last 2 years with us, can see him at any one of 4-5 clubs next year.
Hope he does well.