Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[TrueQldBlue]

Come on, don't be that hindsight guy with specific parameters to make a case.

1. It was Pick 8 at the time we traded.

2. We didn't know, and still don't, how many of those players will turn out. They are 22 yeah?

3. Max Holmes was taken at #20, Shannon Neale at #33, Beau McCreery at #44. Errol Gulden, while an academy selection, wasn't bid on until #32. That's why we don't use hindsight drafting to evaluate the worth of a trade.

4. Saad's AA season of 2022, was by far his best season in his career. I'm not sure if he was even in an AA squad until he joined us. Again, it's a hindsight call and not at all reflective of the trade at the time.

5. Saad was nominated for the rising star at Gold Coast, and Gold Coast only got a 2nd rounder from Essendon for him. After 3 seasons, Essendon converted that into Pick 8. We paid a premium based on our need for backline pace, no doubt about it.

We did pay overs thanks to Dodoro...

But this is what happens when we tell the whole world who we want before the trade week starts..

But Saad has been a welcome addition..

I think we got smarter with the Cerra trade and didn't let on so much...I may be remembering this wrong...

I'm sure I will be shot down and corrected anyway...

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[gbatman]

I agree with a lot of the points behind this... But this just comes across as one giant melt at Voss and Austin.

Moir also is not a small forward, he's 190cm tall.

Mistakes have been made. Height is not relevant, he plays the role.

 

[Bagger24]

Edmund reporting we are into membrey still…FA. Worth a one year contact, always kills us

 

[BigFrizz36]

Mistakes have been made. Height is not relevant, he plays the role.

Of a medium forward, which is what he is?

 

[Coona Blues]

When a team is in their premiership window.

We are focusing ion the draft is code for, our cap is maxed out.

Only signing established players will convince me otherwise.

To a degree. I think we have the scope to “stress” the cap, should Houston come at the right price. I don’t think high profile trades were “the plan” leading in to this period.

Those “underwhelmed” by what we are looking at this year should prepare themselves for 2025. We are prepared to largely trade out of the draft next year for an extra pick (or trade) this year. We will have little capital left in 2025. Potentially we are preparing for a free agent, but I am not enamoured by the list coming up on a needs basis. We won’t be trading 2026 back to 2025, with Cody Walker being in 2026.

We have an unwieldy number of stars on big incomes, there is not much wriggle room. Then we will have the prospect of signing both Weitering and De Koning in the near future impacting the cap. Hopefully a couple of young break outs also apply some pressure.

Drafting reduces pressures on the cap. Drafting judiciously fills a couple of glaring gaps on the list. Austin clearly projected the need for run and skill, along with the need for a KPD. Two(or three) quality additions in that space along with the Campo boys and what they add to the midfield progression plans.

We have an established list able to contend. Some tweaks in personnel and preparation along with selection availability and possibly integrity will see us right.

 

[sweethoney]

We did pay overs thanks to Dodoro...

But this is what happens when we tell the whole world who we want before the trade week starts..

But Saad has been a welcome addition..

I think we got smarter with the Cerra trade and didn't let on so much...I may be remembering this wrong...

I'm sure I will be shot down and corrected anyway...

On CPH2135 using BigFooty.com mobile app

100% with saad told everyone we wanted him and Essendon got wind we were going to try and split pick 8 if I recall correctly

 

[carlton_99]

Edmund reporting we are into membrey still…FA. Worth a one year contact, always kills us

“I wouldn’t shut the door”: Carlton interested in St Kilda key forward

“It is less likely than likely, but the door is ajar.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Coona Blues]

Edmund reporting we are into membrey still…FA. Worth a one year contact, always kills us

Cannot see it. We won’t have list spots to accommodate him.

 

[SirSanchez]

where’s all the ITKs and rumours after the BnF last night.

We’re all waiting!

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Walsh had no preseason for the second year in a row, and copped a knock to his hip that clearly hampered him in the last 6 weeks or so. Charlie was constantly having to manage an ankle niggle from round 2 onwards. Cerra hurt most of the year too, TDK hurt from the second North game onwards. All those guys are top 8 players in our team when fully fit

top 8 in any team.

 

[HarryFlashman]

“Membry” - the answer to the quiz question “who can we bring in for Owies who is worse at ground level, apply less pressure than & get in Charlie & H’s way”.

He should be offered a VFL contract & picked up mid season if something goes horribly wrong - he can be Crocker 2.0 in the 2s.

Going way in the wrong direction to give him a list spot, would much rather a speculative mid.

 

[pressurepoint]

Not intending to offend any of the ITKs but I think this salary dump stuff is a crock of shite. I guess time will tell.

Caleb Daniel?

 

[RattAttack]

Kennedy won the 'best clubman’ award last night at the JNM.

Being in the room, for me it was clearly the largest crowd reaction of the night. The supporters absolutely love him!

Just my opinion, I reckon he stays..

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

“Membry” - the answer to the quiz question “who can we bring in for Owies who is worse at ground level, apply less pressure than & get in Charlie & H’s way”.

He should be offered a VFL contract & picked up mid season if something goes horribly wrong - he can be Crocker 2.0 in the 2s.

Going way in the wrong direction to give him a list spot, would much rather a speculative mid.

Or maybe Charlie and Harry would get in way of Membrey. Membrey is a solid reliable forward.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Or maybe Charlie and Harry would get in way of Membrey. Membrey is a solid reliable forward.

Yeah I am keen. Even if he doesn't get picked regularly, he's handy, takes a good mark and a accurate shot on goal.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yes we overpaid and maybe we had to; maybe austin was weak. But it hurts us now. Pick 8 for 3-5 years footy is a lot.

It's why we look fools when talking to Port Adelaide about Houston right now. Roughly same age but Houston is a bonafide all Australian under contract while Saad wasn't. I'd agree Saad was close but in the actual deal itself, and out in the media, it is points against.

Port is looking at pick 13 and saying take a run and jump because of the Saad deal. Austin has nothing to fight back with and it is of his own making.

Austin not fighting hard enough vs the Dodo bird costs us now. Austin cant now say its not about All australian it is about years of footy left. A ten year draftee vs 3-4 years of service. He cant say that because he already bent over for Saad.

nope.

They're huffing and puffing now....

Let's see where they are when there's an hour left before the final bell....

Slice it anyway you wish, it's one first rounder in each case... throw in some steak knives for Houston....

And that's what'll happen if we get the GC pick.

Just don't see any rationale to say if Saad was worth 1 first, Houston is worth two firsts....

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yeah I am keen. Even if he doesn't get picked regularly, he's handy, takes a good mark and a accurate shot on goal.

Hard to find a spot in the 22 for JSOS if Membrey comes in...

 

[HarryFlashman]

Or maybe Charlie and Harry would get in way of Membrey. Membrey is a solid reliable forward.

Yeah- No, we have 2 game changing Coleman medal winning forwards, they take priority over Membry.

We need someone working there ass off providing leads drawing attention off our KF, then have the pace/footy IQ to apply pressure weak side to stop the ball flying out of our forward line.
That’s Kemp/JSOS all day, everyday over Membrey.

We need pressure/spread/cohesive movement not another option to dump the ball on there head.
Say what u like about Ross Lyon but he is not dumb or tactically inept, there’s a reason he’s not keeping him.

Our game plan should be going in the exact opposite direction, speed/pressure & opening up the forward line not ol two foot jump in the air & then be a heavily tatted witches hat

 

[Sam The Doc]

Hard to find a spot in the 22 for JSOS if Membrey comes in...

Membrey is better

 

[HarryFlashman]

Hard to find a spot in the 22 for JSOS if Membrey comes in...

People really have forgotten that JSOS was finally killing it before he got injured, with TDK taking a massive leap forward, JSOS/H as the back up make us a lot more dangerous.

Games aren’t won by what side looks better on paper at the start of the game - we have proved that time and again.
Smart, hardworking players that make everyone around them better - who also don’t lose contests are vitally important.

What the stats will never tell you is when u just have to win or halve a contest - who does that for u. That’s Crippa & that’s JSOS, when it matters he delivers & gets better as it gets harder.

 

[Broadside]

I am a bit concerned we've traded away too many picks over the past couple of years and getting Houston will exacerbate that, setting us up for failure in the medium term because of lack of renewal on our list. It's betting the farm on immediate success but the consequence could be bottoming out hard when Tassie hits the scene and the draft is (again) terribly compromised.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Membrey is better

as a forward? many times over....

JSOS's strength (his flexibility) is also his weakness...

 

[RPCB]

What was the tweet mate?

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

C

What was the tweet mate?

Our interest in Membrey

 

[Michael Jezz]

1. Austin was aware that JUH and Campbell bids would move 8 to 10.

2. Yes some might have good careers. But you can’t ignore the 120+ elite level games that Saad will have given us.

3. I don’t understand this point. Out of the 50+ players drafted from #10 onwards, just Holmes and Gulden would be preferred to Saad. That is a 4% hit. You say ‘we don’t use hindsight’ - I say, Austin believed the 2020 draft was too risky and a known product in Saad was the better option. He was right.

4 & 5. Again, I’m not understanding. Are you saying that what happens after the trade is irrelevant? Lachie Neale was traded for 6 & 19 before he made an all-australian side. He is now a dual Brownlow medalist and premiership captain. Did Brisbane overpay?

Therefore, don't take Houston because this draft is a known Qty and one of the best according to Austin