Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[passmark]

So is that it for us or any surprises in store?

 

[Jimmae]

JSOS more than holds his own when significantly outsized.

I'm not sure his knees do though.

 

[passmark]

if we’re looking at JSOS as a key defender the defensive setup will want to work a lot better than this season.

The first thing any team with any good or big KPF will try to isolate him.

 

[yibbida]

any team with any good or big KPF

Aren't we the only team with 2 tall forwards?

 

[Blues_1864]

Must be differences in measurement.

Guessing Bolt's time includes reaction time from starter's gun whereas draft combine starts once they cross the start line?

From memory, draftees start from standing position and get to rock back and forth a little before starting.

Also... believe it or not, but Usain Bolt was not typically the best starter in races.

Sadly, Bolt would also be one of the better footballers on that list, too...

 

[passmark]

Aren't we the only team with 2 tall forwards?

2 good ones, yes.

 

[Blue By Blood]

if we’re looking at JSOS as a key defender the defensive setup will want to work a lot better than this season.

The first thing any team with any good or big KPF will try to isolate him.

Yep and because he’ll be giving away size he’ll grab jumper, try to wrestle and give away a free. I see that happening a lot. I’m all for trying him there, I just don’t see it working.

 

[Dramoth]

Wayne Rooney...hmmmm bit old but lots of mongrel skill

Have you seen him lately? He’s been leading the charge to the buffet table every night.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Rejuvenation on the fly. That's what this is.

I have expressed concerns that players are too comfortable at the club, and nobody wants to leave as a result. We have told players where they stand, and not given in to positional demands. Now we are seeing a shake up.

This won't affect culture. In fact, it will make players try harder to stay because they know their place is not guaranteed. You listen to Weitering talking about how they want success. The leaders want to do whatever it takes.

Kennedy is one of my faves for sure, and Kempy as well, but if they are traded, so be it. This shake up was long overdue.

Austin obviously has the backing of the club to do what's necessary, and his stones have been massive this trade period. I love the fact that we are emulating Collingwood and Brisbane in getting top draft picks while in a flag window.

Adding Pick 3 and the Campo boys gives us a real shot in the arm. I personally think Ben is going to be a gun for us going forward.

Still some gaps, but I'm excited we are adding a point of difference to the most important area on the ground.

 

[ctwenty1]

I’m fine with it.

Nobody outside the club can really know what’s going on.

Seemed to be a reliable contributor but maybe he didn’t play by team rules in order to get his goals.

On a broader issue though, we are a timid bunch.

Unfortunately it may just be one of those instances where we couldn’t go into next year with ostensibly the same senior list again

That list couldn’t quite get us where we wanted to be

So we move on some non-critical talent ie talented role players but replaceable, to give the younger guys on our list more opportunity and to also increase our draft capital

Time will tell whether it’s been worth it but I suspect there will be a couple more that get “forced”out next year

 

[JustOneTime]

Our current list can get us there. Our gameplan/coaches/high perf cant until they change it up. Hopefully this year.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Unfortunately it may just be one of those instances where we couldn’t go into next year with ostensibly the same senior list again

That list couldn’t quite get us where we wanted to be

So we move on some non-critical talent ie talented role players but replaceable, to give the younger guys on our list more opportunity and to also increase our draft capital

Time will tell whether it’s been worth it but I suspect there will be a couple more that get “forced”out next year

Could well be a very interesting year for OOC players such as: Cerra, Docherty, Cincotta, JSOS, Lemmey, Motlop and Newman.

I’m expecting Fantasia the only definite delisting at this early stage.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Our current list can get us there. Our gameplan/coaches/high perf cant until they change it up. Hopefully this year.

Just my opinion but I don't think our coaching team has had enough levers to pull available to them. When those levers have been fit and healthy our game plan and power around the ground looks awesome... We just rarely ever got to see it

 

[Manhattanite]

Did we sign Weitering during trade week (instead of anytime in the next month or so) following the grandfather offer he got from the Saints to facilitate getting SOS to chase Kemp instead?




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[TENACIOUS]

Hey Eagles
We’re ready to swap Jack Carroll for pick 12 now.

 

[GoBlues!]

Rejuvenation on the fly. That's what this is.

I have expressed concerns that players are too comfortable at the club, and nobody wants to leave as a result. We have told players where they stand, and not given in to positional demands. Now we are seeing a shake up.

This won't affect culture. In fact, it will make players try harder to stay because they know their place is not guaranteed. You listen to Weitering talking about how they want success. The leaders want to do whatever it takes.

Kennedy is one of my faves for sure, and Kempy as well, but if they are traded, so be it. This shake up was long overdue.

Austin obviously has the backing of the club to do what's necessary, and his stones have been massive this trade period. I love the fact that we are emulating Collingwood and Brisbane in getting top draft picks while in a flag window.

Adding Pick 3 and the Campo boys gives us a real shot in the arm. I personally think Ben is going to be a gun for us going forward.

Still some gaps, but I'm excited we are adding a point of difference to the most important area on the ground.

I was pruning the roses today and thought hey, maybe this is similar to what Austin is doing at the club.

First cutting away any deadwood (Marchbank, Martin, Cuners), then the tricky part cutting away healthy parts to balance the shape and create space for future new growth (Owies, Kennedy).

In the end the pruning is great for the health and development of the plant.

 

[Wickzki]

Surely Brisbane and St Kilda are trying to get in on those, respectively.

Color me surprised when Brisbane have indicated the player they're focusing on to replace Daniher is Sam Day. God only knows what is wrong with their own free agency.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Kennedy > Bulldogs for Pick 25 (via North Melbourne in trade for Macrae/Daniels)

Kemp > Saints for Pick 32+F2

Pick 25+StK F2 > GWS Pick 16

Pick 3 - Draper/Lalor/FOS/Smith
Pick 16 - Berry/Hotton/Hannaford
Pick 32 - O'Farrell/Dennis/Mraz
Match Bids - Ben + Lucas

What a glorious glorious off season it would be!

 

[BlueTongue]

I was pruning the roses today and thought hey, maybe this is similar to what Austin is doing at the club.

First cutting away any deadwood (Marchbank, Martin, Cuners), then the tricky part cutting away healthy parts to balance the shape and create space for future new growth (Owies, Kennedy).

In the end the pruning is great for the health and development of the plant.

But you also need to expose the new buds to the light, not just keep your prize winners withering on the vine, blocking their nourishment.

 

[BlueTongue]

Kennedy > Bulldogs for Pick 25 (via North Melbourne in trade for Macrae/Daniels)

Kemp > Saints for Pick 32+F2

Pick 25+StK F2 > GWS Pick 16

Pick 3 - Draper/Lalor/FOS/Smith
Pick 16 - Berry/Hotton/Hannaford
Pick 32 - O'Farrell/Dennis/Mraz
Match Bids - Ben + Lucas

What a glorious glorious off season it would be!

Kemp > Saints for Pick 32+F2 ?

 

[katmanblue]

He’s incredible, ridiculous runner for a guy his size (78.8kg for the boxing fight, not an ounce of fat on him)

Crazy to be running splits he runs at 79kg

Half that weight is above the shoulders

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[Curnowisagun]

Ideal outcome for mine would be:

Kennedy + Brisbane f2 for 25 (people will say we need a future 2nd but I think this would get AFL approval of port trade did based on obtaining a second first rd pick)

Then 25 + Kemp to the Saints for pick 8.

We can all dream right!

Depth would be tested but I doubt we would consider letting Kemp go for any less given the lack of KPD. I'm going down the rabbit hole here but 8 to GWS for Aleer and pick 15 or 16 would top off an incredible trade period!

 

[GoingFor17]

How would we all feel about something like this:

	OUT	VALUE	IN	VALUE
Carlton	Pick 3	2234 (Pick 3)	Pick 4	2034 (Pick 4)
	Kennedy	556 (Pick 33)	Pick 25	756 (Pick 25)
		2790​		2790​
Adelaide	Pick 4	2034 (Pick 4)	Pick 3	2234 (Pick 3)
	F3	347 ('25 Pick 45)	F4	112 ('25 Pick 63)
		2381​		2346​
Bulldogs	Daniel	556 (Pick 33)	Kennedy	556 (Pick 33)
		556​		556​
North Melbourne	Pick 25	756 (Pick 25)	Daniel	556 (Pick 33)
	F4	112 (2025 Pick 63)	F3	347 (2025 Pick 45)
		868​		903​

(Just realized the above formatting is horrible on the phone. Here's a simplified version for you all)

CARLTON:
OUT: Pick 3 (2234) + Kennedy (556) = 2790
IN: Pick 4 (2034) + Pick 25 (756) = 2790

ADELAIDE:
OUT: Pick 4 (2034) + F3 (347) = 2381
IN: Pick 3 (2234) + F4 (112) = 2346

WB:
OUT: Daniel (556) = 556
IN: Kennedy (556) = 556

North Melbourne:
OUT: Pick 25 (756) + F4 (112) = 868
IN: Daniel (556) + F3 (347) = 903

It's somewhat difficult to project exactly where a future pick would come, so I just based it off each team giving up the 9th pick of the specified round.

Also not 100% sure how high Daniel is rated, but seems like around the mark based on some other trade scenarios I've seen floated around.

In this scenario, we would be able to maximize return for MK by getting another pick (hopefully) ahead of the BC bid. Adelaide move up a spot and snag Draper, while we would still have access to one of Smith/Lalor/FOS (all potential #1 picks). Bulldogs straight swap makes sense. North Melbourne get Daniel for the equivalent of Pick 33 which, as mentioned above, I think is probably around the mark.

 

[JustOneTime]

Just my opinion but I don't think our coaching team has had enough levers to pull available to them. When those levers have been fit and healthy our game plan and power around the ground looks awesome... We just rarely ever got to see it

For sure. But I'd like to see us play less of a crash and bash style that leads to more than half the team looking jaded/worn out by round 17/18.

How long will Charlie last flying in packs of ten for the next 5 years. He needs easier goals to support longevity. Charlie playing for 6-7 games with a sore ankle and not being able to perform is a great example of what I mean.

High down the line followed up by high into the fwd line will lead to more situations like he just suffered.

Just my opinion.

 

[mbekka3]

Another smart arse newbie

Thanks for your input but I've been here for 20 years, just lost my account...