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Plus the mental/ psychological damage which I think has been done
Did you see the bloke go back on and play in total pain to try get a result for his team? He will be fine.
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Plus the mental/ psychological damage which I think has been done
Thank you. So we don't really know. It could be less than that or it could be accurate.
We would be falling off a cliff because Cripps, Petracca, Newman, Doc, Saad, Williams, McGovern, Acres, and others that I can't think of atm would be either retired or close to hanging up the boots in 2027. And because of the Petracca trade, we would likely be without Cerra and have no talented youngsters breaking into the team alongside Cody. As you said yourself, it would cost around 3 first rounders to get the deal done - that would be catastrophic for our long term prospects. As good as Petracca is, we have a team that is capable of winning premierships right now. Instead, we should focus on building depth, getting our coaching right, and fixing our injury issues before throwing our entire future at a trade that I simply do not think moves the needle significantly for us.Petraca would be 31 in Walkers first season, why would we be falling off a cliff? I’d be surprised if Carlton were giving much thought to Walker coming in the 2026 draft when considering potential trades this year.
2026 is a fair way a way, a lot can change between now and then, to be making assumptions on Walker and changing a recruiting strategy around him.
I injured mine in a hunting accident 10+ years ago. Was going to be removed but was decided against by the medical team at the last minute because I'm type 1 diabetic.Yep. Spleens are like calves...once they start to go...
I have googled it and it ranges from $800K over 5 years to $900K over 6 years and variations in between depending on the site.Williams moved as a free agent, so the deal we offered had to be submitted to the AFL to determine compensation, if you google it said $5.4M over 6 years,
Walsh and Berry will be in their prime thenWe would be falling off a cliff because Cripps, Petracca, Newman, Doc, Saad, Williams, McGovern, Acres, and others that I can't think of atm would be either retired or close to hanging up the boots in 2027. And because of the Petracca trade, we would likely be without Cerra and have no talented youngsters breaking into the team alongside Cody. As you said yourself, it would cost around 3 first rounders to get the deal done - that would be catastrophic for our long term prospects. As good as Petracca is, we have a team that is capable of winning premierships right now. Instead, we should focus on building depth, getting our coaching right, and fixing our injury issues before throwing our entire future at a trade that I simply do not think moves the needle significantly for us.
The only position I would consider a deal like this for is an AA level key position defender that can partner Weitering for the next 10 years.
Agree, given we have a couple gem f/s picks and potential academy selections we can probably afford to toss a first or 2 out there for a gun. Rare position to be in.Walsh and Berry will be in their prime then
Ben Campo looks sublime, Lucas very good too but further back
You’d just need to back in a couple of our young players to develop, it doesn’t change our profile dramatically
Could be right. it’s been quoted a few times the “big names” made a pact to stick together for less coin.Nope! Decision probably lead to a culture killer too
We have systemic failures. Montagna highlighted in one game what has been an issue for years. Is it the coaching or are the players ‘rogue’.The only position I would consider a deal like this for is an AA level key position defender that can partner Weitering for the next 10 years.
Depends if they have a choice. Most trades in the AFL you don't. All depends on what Petracca decides. You can hold a player to one year like we did Gibbs. But anything longer than that, you need to take a deal or risk tanking the players value long term. If Petracca wants out the equivalent of three-four first rounders (two+Cerra) is more than fair compensation.If you were Melbourne... would you take that?
I know I wouldn't...
They'd be sending a pick our way for Harry. Demons are desperate for a key forward. Harry is worth more than Petracca easily.Wouldn’t be 2 firsts, we’d have to give one of our guns because otherwise we just couldn’t afford his dollaroos in the cap.
Harry and pick currency whatever it is for Trac and Fritsch, not comfortable giving Harry when we don’t have a third tall to fall back on.
Absolutely zero chance of happening
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A broken rib?? He'll be fine.What’s petracca going to be like after he recovers from these horrific injuries still the same ?
I back in all of our players to develop but the reality is you pick up the best kids in the first round. We need to continue taking those picks to stretch our premiership window as far as possible.Walsh and Berry will be in their prime then
Ben Campo looks sublime, Lucas very good too but further back
You’d just need to back in a couple of our young players to develop, it doesn’t change our profile dramatically
That all sounds great to me.We have systemic failures. Montagna highlighted in one game what has been an issue for years. Is it the coaching or are the players ‘rogue’.
We can add a KPD but with this system and/or players not prepared to defend then it won’t matter
Likewise we have problems in the F50. None more so than the Coleman medalist who fails to apply pressure
This isn’t a recent “shit I’m injured “ situation either. It’s his standard. How in hell do you put pressure on to retain the ball in the F50 when you are outnumbered due to a player not contributing
Our mids lack speed. Our team lacks speed. And class. I’m not saying get Petracca but we need that type
Maybe it will allow us to get to more contests and then clear more efficiently. Maybe when we don’t have possession we can close the ridiculous space that currently exists in our zoning and apply more pressure. The bottom line is the midfield is the engine room for the team. That and demanding FULL buy in/excellence are the starting points for success
complete nonsense.Having spoken to a few in and around the club, the issues usually seem to stem back to the players. Players not working or training hard or smart enough, lazy attitudes, selfish decision making on the field, etc.
The coach is the easy scapegoat, but the fact that this same group has had similar issues with multiple coaches is what is ringing alarm bells for me. Coaching I’m sure has something to do with it, but the players are the ones who ultimately must execute. And if they aren’t putting themselves in the best place to do that, then there’s not much a coach can do
Unfortunately I'm lead to believe this is fairly poor in the AFL system. I'm not sure if it's a soft cap thing but the last few years the treatment time for players has apparently halved. Players are left to seek their own treatment from osteopaths, physio's etc external to the club.If we assume this is true, it begs the question, where are the fitness staff?
Where’s the injury management, injury prevention, the fitness staff standing up and saying, sorry mate players A,B,C need to be able to recover?
So..... SPS, philp, Lob, dow, stocker, finbar, macreadie, Polson, Schumacher, lebois, Ramsey, honey, Phillips and something like 3 ND picks over 2020 and 21.... We could definitely still be exactly the same club. That possibility is real.I think if you go back and have a look at our drafting in the lead up to Judd and after he arrived, you will find miss after miss, after miss and if you believe what you hear, an absolute mess off the field
Will have a lot more coin in a few monthsWe have no coin for him.
We would need one of the big guys to leave. So are people happy giving up a star?
Interesting. Wouldn't have thought the likely delistings/trade options would be on much moneyWill have a lot more coin in a few months
Depends if they have a choice. Most trades in the AFL you don't. All depends on what Petracca decides. You can hold a player to one year like we did Gibbs. But anything longer than that, you need to take a deal or risk tanking the players value long term. If Petracca wants out the equivalent of three-four first rounders (two+Cerra) is more than fair compensation.
We have no coin for him.
We would need one of the big guys to leave. So are people happy giving up a star?
Petraca would be 31 in Walkers first season, why would we be falling off a cliff? I’d be surprised if Carlton were giving much thought to Walker coming in the 2026 draft when considering potential trades this year.
2026 is a fair way a way, a lot can change between now and then, to be making assumptions on Walker and changing a recruiting strategy around him.