News Brad Crouch to Saints (STK make offer; Band 3, ADL to match?)

hey shorty · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
According to the AFL's official 2019 salary chart, a "deadset lock" would be a contract that averages $800,000 per year

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I wonder who the player was that earned $1.0-1.1m in 2019 despite not playing a game . Has to be Tom Mitchell

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right?

Tom Boyd ?? Or did he settle before then

Scorpus · Oct 23, 2020

hey shorty said:
Tom Boyd ??

Hmmm yeah that might be right

hey shorty · Oct 23, 2020

But yes Mitchell makes more sense.

Now I know he's a great player but a million dollars...... Wow.

Scorpus · Oct 23, 2020

This data is actually really interesting

Brad Crouch didn't play a game in 2018. From this salary chart we know for a fact he wasn't paid between $600k and $700k that year. He either earned below $600k or more than $700k

TryAnHit · Oct 23, 2020

Saints board has more Nuffies then the Geelong board and that's hard to do

Cap · Oct 23, 2020

Is the rule 1st round or after your first round.?

After your final pick I the first round does make some sense, given the AFL likely didn't think about scenarios where clubs had multiple 1st rounders.

hey shorty · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
This data is actually really interesting

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Brad Crouch

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Brad Crouch

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didn't play a game in 2018. From this salary chart we know for a fact he wasn't paid between $600k and $700k that year. He either earned below $600k or more than $700k

I reckon it's the latter

hey shorty · Oct 23, 2020

Western Stand Warrior said:
Is the rule 1st round or after your first round.?

After your final pick I the first round does make some sense, given the AFL likely didn't think about scenarios where clubs had multiple 1st rounders.

See this is where I reckon they'll make something up to give us pick 9.

Which I'm kind of OK with.

ABAB · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
According to the AFL's official 2019 salary chart, a "deadset lock" would be a contract that averages $800,000 per year

View attachment 992952

I wonder who the player was that earned $1.0-1.1m in 2019 despite not playing a game . Has to be Tom Mitchell

6

Tom Mitchell

Age
31

Ht

182cm

Wt
88kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
29.0

5

K
12.2

5

HB
16.8

5

M
4.1

4

T
5.9

5

CL
4.9

5

D
23.4

5

K
9.1

4

HB
14.3

5

M
2.8

3

T
3.5

4

CL
4.1

5

D
22.4

5

K
12.0

5

HB
10.4

5

M
3.4

4

T
7.0

5

CL
1.8

4

right?

So he need to be offered the top 35 players so possibly around $750K provided most of the $700-800K are earning below $750K.

Deaneus! · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
According to the AFL's official 2019 salary chart, a "deadset lock" would be a contract that averages $800,000 per year

View attachment 992952

I wonder who the player was that earned $1.0-1.1m in 2019 despite not playing a game . Has to be Tom Mitchell

6

Tom Mitchell

Age
31

Ht

182cm

Wt
88kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
29.0

5

K
12.2

5

HB
16.8

5

M
4.1

4

T
5.9

5

CL
4.9

5

D
23.4

5

K
9.1

4

HB
14.3

5

M
2.8

3

T
3.5

4

CL
4.1

5

D
22.4

5

K
12.0

5

HB
10.4

5

M
3.4

4

T
7.0

5

CL
1.8

4

right?

I saw that and immediately thought of Buddy

how do you get $800k as the magic number ?

Scorpus · Oct 23, 2020

hey shorty said:
I reckon it's the latter

I think so too. I just looked at the list of players who didn't play a single game in 2018 and Brad is the best of the list. 3 players, as confirmed by the AFL, earned $700-800k that year and didn't play

The others could be: Jamie Elliott, Grant Birchall, Kurt Tippett (settlement), Harley Bennell, Liam Picken, Sam Docherty

hey shorty · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
I think so too. I just looked at the list of players who didn't play a single game in 2018 and Brad is the best of the list. 3 players, as confirmed by the AFL, earned $700-800k that year and didn't play

The others could be: Jamie Elliott, Grant Birchall

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250.0

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, Kurt Tippett

Kurt Tippett

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202cm

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106kg

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No current season stats available

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(settlement), Harley Bennell

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3.5

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2.3

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2.7

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12.7

3

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6.0

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6.7

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2.0

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0.3

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17.6

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8.2

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, Liam Picken

Liam Picken

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184cm

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81kg

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18.0

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3.3

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0.4

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No current season stats available

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13.6

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4.6

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9.0

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1.8

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, Sam Docherty

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Sam Docherty

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22.3

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1.1

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22.6

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16.0

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11.2

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5.2

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A iot of money for some good, not great players.

Anzacpaul · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
This data is actually really interesting

View attachment 992964

Brad Crouch

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Brad Crouch

Age
30

Ht

186cm

Wt
86kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
26.1

5

K
12.1

4

HB
14.0

5

M
2.7

3

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5.5

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5.0

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20.3

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11.1

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9.1

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1.5

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3.9

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4.6

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21.6

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10.0

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11.6

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3.4

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4.2

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2.6

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didn't play a game in 2018. From this salary chart we know for a fact he wasn't paid between $600k and $700k that year. He either earned below $600k or more than $700k

How can you tell that?

Edit: ignore me.

I thinks it's under 600 personally.

Scorpus · Oct 23, 2020

Anzacpaul said:
How can you tell that?

There is a "played" and "listed" column for each year. In the fine print, to be on the "played" list you have to play at least 1 match that year.

We know that in 2018, there were 46 players in the played column AND 46 players in the listed column that earned $600-700k. So 0 players earning in that range missed the entire season. Given Brad Crouch didn't play a single game that year, he can't have made a total salary in that range

Samcro24 · Oct 23, 2020

There is no magic number.

The dollar amount isn’t the issue, it’s whether the AFL wants us to have pick 2 or not. My guess is not.

Scorpus · Oct 23, 2020

hey shorty said:
A iot of money for some good, not great players.

True, but I think it's somewhat legitimate evidence that Brad Crouch was already earning quite a high salary, unless we can find 3 other suitable players in that price bracket

Anzacpaul · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
There is a "played" and "listed" column for each year. In the fine print, to be on the "played" list you have to play at least 1 match that year.

We know that in 2018, there were 46 players in the played column AND 46 players in the listed column that earned $600-700k. So 0 players earning in that range missed the entire season. Given Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age
30

Ht

186cm

Wt
86kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
26.1

5

K
12.1

4

HB
14.0

5

M
2.7

3

T
5.5

5

CL
5.0

5

D
20.3

5

K
11.1

4

HB
9.1

5

M
1.5

2

T
3.9

5

CL
4.6

5

D
21.6

5

K
10.0

4

HB
11.6

5

M
3.4

4

T
4.2

5

CL
2.6

5

didn't play a single game that year, he can't have made a total salary in that range

Apologies mate, didn't mean for you to have to explain. I was only looking generally and didn't realise there was a listed and played column.

Scorpus · Oct 23, 2020

Anzacpaul said:
Apologies mate, didn't mean for you to have to explain. I was only looking generally and didn't realise there was a listed and played column.

No worries at all. I didn't spot it at first either

From The Pocket · Oct 23, 2020

Western Stand Warrior said:
Is the rule 1st round or after your first round.?

After your final pick I the first round does make some sense, given the AFL likely didn't think about scenarios where clubs had multiple 1st rounders.

You'd have teams avoiding getting later picks because they'd rather get just the pick after their first than 2 later picks. Like if GWS finished 3rd in the current situation, would you rather pick 2 or 16 and 17?

ABAB · Oct 23, 2020

Samcro24 said:
There is no magic number.

The dollar amount isn’t the issue, it’s whether the AFL wants us to have pick 2 or not. My guess is not.

Provide he if offered a contract within the top 5% earner, if he falls just short it will be the discretion of the AFL.

Anzacpaul · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
No worries at all. I didn't spot it at first either

I reckon it was under $600k. Only 24 players across the comp on 700-800 that year, I would've assumed Tex and Sloane were in that range, so would be surprised if we had 3 out of 24.

Mego Red · Oct 23, 2020

hey shorty said:
I reckon it's the latter

AFL 2016: Brad Crouch signs new deal with Crows

Adelaide onballer Brad Crouch has signed a four-year contract extension, spurning interest from interstate clubs.

www.theage.com.au

$2.2m over 4 years.

Danger_zone · Oct 23, 2020

Deaneus! said:
I saw that and immediately thought of Buddy

how do you get $800k as the magic number ?

top 5% at total players (702) is roughly top 35 players.

Total number of players earning $800K and above is 32 players, i.e. $800K is guaranteed top 5%.

Given that Brad would have to be the top 3 players (32+3 = 35) within the $700-800K bracket, I would guess that he'd have to be getting at least $775K+ to trigger band 1, even then its still murky. $800K seems to be the magic number.

FR0GGY · Oct 23, 2020

Scorpus said:
This data is actually really interesting

View attachment 992964

Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age
30

Ht

186cm

Wt
86kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
26.1

5

K
12.1

4

HB
14.0

5

M
2.7

3

T
5.5

5

CL
5.0

5

D
20.3

5

K
11.1

4

HB
9.1

5

M
1.5

2

T
3.9

5

CL
4.6

5

D
21.6

5

K
10.0

4

HB
11.6

5

M
3.4

4

T
4.2

5

CL
2.6

5

didn't play a game in 2018. From this salary chart we know for a fact he wasn't paid between $600k and $700k that year. He either earned below $600k or more than $700k

I can’t see any way we were paying Brad 700-800k in 2018

hey shorty · Oct 23, 2020

FR0GGY said:
I can’t see any way we were paying Brad 700-800k in 2018

I can quite comfortably.

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