Brendan Fevola Trade Thread

[MarkT2]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Player manager (I think it was a player manager) said on SEN Collingwood are trying to trade an ex WA player to a WA club for their early second round pick for the Ball deal. Not sure if there are supposed to be other picks or players involved. Wellingham would have to be my guess. No one would be interested in Lockyer and it’s too cheap for Davis. Maybe Toovey? I reckon we can easily cover Toovey’s flank and/or Wellingham’s young midfielder spot.

The ace for the Fev deal should be paying 100% of his salary. Dawes, a second round pick and someone else is a place to start. We need to trade pick 14 in a straight deal for Jolly first. Chuck in Cook if the want him. As long as we have pick 14 Carlton won’t budge without it and we won’t get Jolly either.

The question is whether Carlton are still Carlton and this is a charade or whether they actually are committed to trade Fev. If they are then the best offer is the best offer and that’s what they’ll take. If they don’t trade because the price isn’t quite right it compromises their position AND tells the list and the world that what we say is not what we mean and that we want a good culture but we can be bought off. My bet is Fev is going nowhere. Carlton are just an integrity vacume.

 

[jimmy35]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Player manager (I think it was a player manager) said on SEN Collingwood are trying to trade an ex WA player to a WA club for their early second round pick for the Ball deal. Not sure if there are supposed to be other picks or players involved. Wellingham would have to be my guess. No one would be interested in Lockyer and it’s too cheap for Davis. Maybe Toovey? I reckon we can easily cover Toovey’s flank and/or Wellingham’s young midfielder spot.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

[HFF]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Definitely in our best interests to stall any Jolly deal.

Don't be fooled by Roos.

He wants Fev 100%.

Problem is, they need us to be involved in any deal to get him.

Time for us to flex some muscle and list our demands.

We will not be fooled or dictated by a middle-of-the-road club like Sydney.

 

[jimmy35]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Or we could just do a trade that suits us and be done with it.

 

[Krueger]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

The trade is already in motion, just waiting for the pieces to fall into place. It wont be a fantastic deal for cfc, but will be decent. Just push that first domino over pies, that would be Jolly for 14, then it all starts to happen. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it deep down.

You guys make me laugh, if somebody had of told you after the Geelong game last year you would have Ball & Jolly next year, you would have creamed yourselves. Careful now, lest you only get Ball

You forget to mention you diseased scums wont get hold of any of our young KPP, so No Nathan Brown, Jack Anthony,Ben Reid or Chris Dawes.

Without Fev Cartlon is nothing and ROK isnt half a forward Fev is. Will be comical to watch Carltons 'forward line' in action next year. LOL

 

[Old Spice]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

The trade is already in motion, just waiting for the pieces to fall into place. It wont be a fantastic deal for cfc, but will be decent. Just push that first domino over pies, that would be Jolly for 14, then it all starts to happen. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it deep down.

You guys make me laugh, if somebody had of told you after the Geelong game last year you would have Ball & Jolly next year, you would have creamed yourselves. Careful now, lest you only get Ball

Oh we are still interested in Jolly, but not perhaps not for pick 14 but pick 30 plus a player. You can get royally shafted for Fev if you wont accept a decent proposal from us at pick 14 + Dawes. We get Jolly, we get ball and you get your nuts squeezed - hope after the tears subside you will see what a bunch of juvenile prats you ave been.

 

[Pie eyed]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

The trade is already in motion, just waiting for the pieces to fall into place. It wont be a fantastic deal for cfc, but will be decent. Just push that first domino over pies, that would be Jolly for 14, then it all starts to happen. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it deep down.

You guys make me laugh, if somebody had of told you after the Geelong game last year you would have Ball & Jolly next year, you would have creamed yourselves. Careful now, lest you only get Ball

The only club holding things up is Carltoon.
Firstly by putting Fev up for trade and secondly by expecting more than he's worth in his current pariah outfit.

If your board had just settled for a fine we'd already have Jolly, Ball would be in the process of agreement and we'd be looking for a great trade for Leon (if in fact he wants to go).

Take him off the table and deal with him in house.....yeah! LOL.
That'll make for a great season next year for oppo viewers.

 

[Quicky]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

If Collingwood go down this path - and I think it has merit - we had better be prepared for it to blow up in our face, and content to deal in the draft if it does. Really I can't see Sydney dealing for Jolly unless pick 14 is involved and ditto Carlton with Fev. I'm also not a fan of dealing Fev to Sydney with our pick. Carlton are behaving like juveniles and playing a dangerous game doing it. It has much more potential to blow up in their faces than ours. If Carlton are willing to trade Fev for 14 (plus whatever else we throw in) it becomes a question of whether we would prefer Jolly or Fev. If they won't its whether we are willing to trade 14 for Jolly in the knowledge it will likely land Sydney Fev. I wouldn't like that but I think i'd prefer we got Jolly and Ball than nothing even if it meant Fev at Sydney. The only way I can see us getting all three other than through a combination of hard ball and luck (like the OP is suggesting and I think it would take some luck to work out) is if we get something substantial for Davis - in terms of a first rounder. Use the lower on on Fev and the higher on Jolly. I'm not a fan of trading Davis for a second rounder like is being mooted. Its highway robbery. People complain we aren't willing to offer up quality for quality then moot Davis for a second rounder. Its ridiculous.

 

[c'wood-pies]

Fev's Choice

surely if the guy is under contract, he can either tell carlton to pay him out if they dont want him, keep him at the blues or trade him to his club of choice.

if fev doesnt want to go to sydney he doesnt have to surely. he has 2 years of a contract worth 700k pa, surely he holds the cards???

we need this power forward more than anything else going this trade week.

 

[Snag Breac]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

If Collingwood go down this path - and I think it has merit - we had better be prepared for it to blow up in our face, and content to deal in the draft if it does. Really I can't see Sydney dealing for Jolly unless pick 14 is involved and ditto Carlton with Fev. I'm also not a fan of dealing Fev to Sydney with our pick. Carlton are behaving like juveniles and playing a dangerous game doing it. It has much more potential to blow up in their faces than ours. If Carlton are willing to trade Fev for 14 (plus whatever else we throw in) it becomes a question of whether we would prefer Jolly or Fev. If they won't its whether we are willing to trade 14 for Jolly in the knowledge it will likely land Sydney Fev. I wouldn't like that but I think i'd prefer we got Jolly and Ball than nothing even if it meant Fev at Sydney. The only way I can see us getting all three other than through a combination of hard ball and luck (like the OP is suggesting and I think it would take some luck to work out) is if we get something substantial for Davis - in terms of a first rounder. Use the lower on on Fev and the higher on Jolly. I'm not a fan of trading Davis for a second rounder like is being mooted. Its highway robbery. People complain we aren't willing to offer up quality for quality then moot Davis for a second rounder. Its ridiculous.

If we want to have some real leverage re: Fev, we must be prepared to walk away from the deal.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Firstly I think it would make our side better in the short term to have 1, 2 or all 3 but we don’t NEED any. They is no guarantee that any of them will win us a premiership.
Stkilda and Geelong are not going away, they will be around the mark next year, so we trade our kids, don’t win a premiership in the next 2 years, Stkilda and Geelong drop off, so do Fev, Jolly + Ball, Then we are up the creek without a paddle. I think we need to tell the three clubs involved, this is what we’ll give you, take it or leave it, then stick to our guns, if they don’t take it, go after kids, for the future, I.E. Mumford etc. You have to remember these players want to come to us, so we have the upper hand here, and if we don’t get any, then we haven’t lost a thing.

 

[omen_au]

Re: Fev's Choice

I agree he should be playing his hand right now, and maybe this is what is happening.

If they really want him to leave then they the best offer that suits him or they will have alot of work to do to get him back on side with the rest of the blues players.

In the end this is what will happen since he wants to play for the pies and they don't want him to.

He won't goto Sydney as his personal life is already strange and add him moving to another state would make it in to a reality show for channel 10
so that wont happen

2010 is either Pies or (more likely) The Blues and it continues to destroy the fabric of that club so either way I would be happy

 

[Markfs]

Re: Fev's Choice

Obviously Carlton is the one that is trying to break the contract, so Fev has some power to force them to payout the money. However, Fev wants to play with Carlton, so the easiest outcome is for him to remain with the club.

Carlton could trade him to Port for a first round pick and make sure Fev got his million and half for two seasons. If Fev didnt want to go, he could refuse to..... and say he is contracted to Carlton for two seasons, and turn up at Blues training until he got shown the door.

If Carlton say, "No, we traded you to Port, go and talk to them about getting a game", Fev could go to court and say that Carlton broke the contract by not providing him a chance to play. The court would probably say that Fev could then go anywhere he liked to play...because the current AFL system is restriction of trade.

Because all clubs wants to keep the current draft/trade system in place, they dont trade contracted players unless they want to go to the club

 

[Koki Freelander]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Exactly. Fev nominated St.Kilda and Collingwood as his clubs of choice - not f*****g Sydney! If he doesnt want to move to Sydney he doesnt have to. We should reduce our offer to Sydney for being w*****s to a 2nd rounder for Jolly and offer pick 14 for Fev if we want to play it safe.

With the Saints out of the running we are the only realistic choice. If Carlton want to keep him then go ahead - they will only lose Judd and Murphy lol.

What happens if Fev refuses to go to Sydney and there are no other options come Friday arvo?

Sydney are counting their chickens before they hatch. They have apparently (Herald Sun) offered a four-year deal for Fev based on their belief that they will trade pick 14 for him. Last time I checked they don't have pick 14 and they are playing hard-ball over it.

I am increasingly believing the best outcome from this week will be if we keep Leon and use pick 14 on Panos (we could do a lot worse - Carlton will, and Hawthorn already have. Both have gone backwards. Staying still is almost as good as moving forward sometimes, especially with young, developing players)

 

[pongo_3931]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

We're presently being dictated too, some would think to placate Carlton members. Now we're not being driven into a position of total loss by surrendering our first round pick for Jolly, but we know that we could snare Fev if Carlton pulled their heads in. He wants it, we want it, Alex wants it and we'd trade reasonably too.

As a result of Carlton establishing a set of double standards for us, we look to have modified our offers, thereby putting us in a weaker bargaining position but not caving to the dictates of an over zealous club.

This says 'we will not be dictated to' and that Carlton need to come to the table with reasonable expectations. Although not as pointed as a message from the board (like the one Carlton delivered in regards to dealing with us), this is an establishment of our trading standards and expectations, it is a return volley in this little maneuvering war.

I believe we won't make another move from here and that the ball is in Carltons court. They won't budge and this failure will mean the trade is jammed and we push on through to the draft with picks in hand.

I believe we're prepared to let this one fall apart and have faith in our list and ability to draft. At the risk of being a tool and quoting myself...

The fact that we're now maneuvering to keep our first round pick says to me that we have a lot of faith in our ability to draft. To quote the sterling Cathy Bates, we're prepared to "burn this village in order to save it". That is, we can see this three way stuff happening and are prepared to let it all fail if need be and go through to the draft empty handed.

 

[incog43]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Or we could just do a trade that suits us and be done with it.

Great post, few words but you make perfect sense.

 

[KissStephanie]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

Clearly the Carlton board have opted to play hard ball on Fevola by trying to freeze us out.

According to a report in The Australian though, Greg Swann has stated that is not the case...

Chief executive Greg Swann yesterday denied reports the Carlton board had vetoed any trade deal that would send Fevola to traditional arch-enemy Collingwood. "No, the board's made no such ruling, but obviously we're not going to give Fev away without proper compensation and that applies to any club," Swann said.

It seems quite clear to me that they would take pick 14 for Fevola if it is ontraded from Sydney in a Jolly deal, but not take pick 14 and a fringe player directly from us.

Greg Swann has said that is not the case though.

Sydney have also been dicking us around on Jolly, refusing initially to accept pick 14. Well, three can play at that game.

Eddie McGuire said today on Triple M that both Paul Roos and Ross Lyon are dicking us around regarding Jolly and Ball.

Sydney obviously want to get our pick 14 then pass it onto Carlton for Fevola.

Yes, and Eddie McGuire also said today that this deal is not his preference. I hope he meant it.

What I'd be saying to Sydney is we are looking at Mumford and Charman, so you might want to lower your expectations.

I agree. Pick #14 should be off the table for Jolly. Collingwood should use that pick as a starting point for Fev, and another ruckman should then be considered if a second round draft pick is not good enough.

What I'd be saying to Carlton is, we know your game, sport, and we won't be offering pick 14 for Jolly - so you can take Sydney's pick 22 for Fev if you want to deal with Sydney so badly. Otherwise, you take our pick 14 and a set of handkerchiefs.

I completely agree. A player may need to be traded somewhere to ease the salary cap.

If we put the hard word on Carlton, we might not get Fev, but we certainly won't get him if we trade our first pick for Jolly.

We should actually get Fev if this is the case. I say lock bloody Sydney out!

We could still land Jolly by trading our second round pick and perhaps Dawes.

It's definitely a strong possibility that would do the trade.

Ball I think is the third port of call for Collingwood

I think exactly the same as you do regarding this.

 

[incog43]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

The only club holding things up is Carltoon.
Firstly by putting Fev up for trade and secondly by expecting more than he's worth in his current pariah outfit.

If your board had just settled for a fine we'd already have Jolly, Ball would be in the process of agreement and we'd be looking for a great trade for Leon (if in fact he wants to go).

Take him off the table and deal with him in house.....yeah! LOL.
That'll make for a great season next year for oppo viewers.

You can have Jolly and Ball anytime you want, just make the bloody trade and stop talking. You dont know what the hell you want, Fev, Jolly, Ball, not willing to trade any quality, over rate your youngsters at this stage in their dev, what do you want, Jolly is there, waiting, still..still, Jolly isn't a big enough trade for you? Is that it? Jolly and Ball not big enough either?

That's right though is it not..Fevola is the gun, Fevola will take you close to a flag...Fevola is the one. You know it, I know it, EM knows it.

That's right, just tell us how to trade, sure we should take your pick 30 and be happy, hey thanks for guys

Meanwhile Jolly and Ball are waiting...still...waiting.

Sure, you guys know what you are doing, LOL.

 

[Old Spice]

Fev can only go to Pies or Swans, understand that point first. No other club can financially accomodate his contract - if Calrton sent him to Port, Carlton would be paying the lion's share of Fev's contract which would come out of Calrton's salary cap - will not happen.

As it stands, Fev is the best player available to us, comfortably ahead of Jolly and well ahead of Ball in what he can do for us. The other two are replaceable, Fev is rare coin.

With that in mind, and realising Fev won't be at Carlton and can't get to Sydney without us giving 14 for Jolly, I say hold onto pick 14. Sydney would then have to offer pick 38 or thereabouts plus a decent player. We can offer pick 14 + Dawes + 900k of Fev's contract.

If Carlton don't sign on this before Friday, let's upgrade a pick to land a good kid and maybe trade for a Kennedy type or Tuck etc. We are not the desperadoes here.

 

[Zahki]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

You can have Jolly and Ball anytime you want, just make the bloody trade and stop talking. You dont know what the hell you want, Fev, Jolly, Ball, not willing to trade any quality, over rate your youngsters at this stage in their dev, what do you want, Jolly is there, waiting, still..still, Jolly isn't a big enough trade for you? Is that it? Jolly and Ball not big enough either?

That's right though is it not..Fevola is the gun, Fevola will take you close to a flag...Fevola is the one. You know it, I know it, EM knows it.

That's right, just tell us how to trade, sure we should take your pick 30 and be happy, hey thanks for guys

Meanwhile Jolly and Ball are waiting...still...waiting.

Sure, you guys know what you are doing, LOL.

We're not the ones making the trade. All we can do is post on here and speculate while the deals get done. I think whats going on is Collingwood know that Sydney want to ontrade 14 for Fev and don't like the idea. So they want to wait a little longer, see what else they can get hammered out.

But who knows, little to no news is coming out about exactly what Collingwood are doing. We know they are pursuing Fev, Ball and Jolly, but as to what the priority is and the overall plan, we have no freaking idea.

If we land one, I'll be happy, if we land two I'll be rapped.

 

[incog43]

Re: Lets put the hard word on Carlton

We're not the ones making the trade. All we can do is post on here and speculate while the deals get done. I think whats going on is Collingwood know that Sydney want to ontrade 14 for Fev and don't like the idea. So they want to wait a little longer, see what else they can get hammered out.

But who knows, little to no news is coming out about exactly what Collingwood are doing. We know they are pursuing Fev, Ball and Jolly, but as to what the priority is and the overall plan, we have no freaking idea.

If we land one, I'll be happy, if we land two I'll be rapped.

Agreed, it gets tiring reading of trades like pick 30 for Fev and stuff em, or we want Brown, Dawes and 14 and stuff the pies.

You could probably land 2 this afternoon if you wanted, problem is, one of those 2 will be your 3rd choice.

That's the problem.

 

[Keele]

Noon today posting on the AFL website

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85813/default.aspx

CARLTON is still where it started with sourcing a trade for full-forward Brendan Fevola, who has two years remaining on his contract.
General manager of football operations Steven Icke confirmed on Wednesday morning that a deal to move the 2009 Coleman Medallist on was no closer.
"Really, at this stage there has been no further development," Icke told afl.com.au on Wednesday. "We still haven't had any contact, so it's pretty much as it was on Monday.
"We've met with clubs and they know our position and at this stage, we've had no enquiries.
"Everything you read in the newspapers is exactly how it is at the moment. Collingwood has had some interest, but that's about as far as it goes at this point in time.

 

[Mental Magpie]

Re: Fev's Choice

Obviously Carlton is the one that is trying to break the contract, so Fev has some power to force them to payout the money. However, Fev wants to play with Carlton, so the easiest outcome is for him to remain with the club.

Carlton could trade him to Port for a first round pick and make sure Fev got his million and half for two seasons. If Fev didnt want to go, he could refuse to..... and say he is contracted to Carlton for two seasons, and turn up at Blues training until he got shown the door.

If Carlton say, "No, we traded you to Port, go and talk to them about getting a game", Fev could go to court and say that Carlton broke the contract by not providing him a chance to play. The court would probably say that Fev could then go anywhere he liked to play...because the current AFL system is restriction of trade.

Because all clubs wants to keep the current draft/trade system in place, they dont trade contracted players unless they want to go to the club

Could this be what it's all about?
Has Eddie been hatching a devious plan with Fev?

Watch this space! This is getting very interesting!

Stalling the Jolly trade to prevent the Fev trade!
I'm loving it!
The Blooze are squirming!
Now I think Roos is squirming!
And I reckon his good buddy Lyon is squirming too!

WE HOLD ALL THE CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE MAGPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dazy]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,26177433-5016212,00.html

sydney have now announced that they defenitly wanted fevola but need collingwoods pick.

juts now posted on the afl website it says paul roos ISNT interested in fev
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85815/default.aspx

 

[f00ty-1S-L!fe]

thats interesting... this article states they are not interested and it was posted 30 minutes after the adelaidenow article

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85815/default.aspx