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Hickey same grade as Reds and Jetts?
Vardy and Muts same grade as Schoey?
Are you implying that HickGod isn't a superior player to both Redden and Jetta?
If by player you mean elite hair you're correct.
That just leapt off the screen at me to.
I would rate Yeo and Shuey higher than Gaff.
And please how can he rate Sheppard a B-? Like really? He should have had his 1st AA last season.
Yep, and how long have we waited for a walk-up midfielder, with those exact qualities, to join our ranks?
Can't believe you left Kennedy off that list...
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The sad thing is why have we only managed to draft 1 since what? 2004?
In 15 years weve struck gold once - shuey.
2 if you count gaff whos really a winger.
How can we be soo utterly dogshit at picking mids and so unbelievably good at kp.
Cant we speak to brisbane and do a deal one year when they are desperate for kp and get them to pick our mids and we will pick their kp?
It's a mystery. Especially after having such an important midfield group circa Juddcuzzn'kerr as an example or template for the future. And how much we/the club overrated Priddis, that was a whole decade gone, admittedly Woosha was panelbeating a new sterilised culture. We even wooden-spooned it... did we get a killer midfielder then? But every year we had an opportunity to draft or trade for a quality mid. We're very good with trades, but it's the drafting where we've been poor. We headed into the draft to get midfielders recently (Kelly?) but couldn't pass on OAllen and Brander- that is already proving to be a good thing for the future, but delayed the midfield-yet we still managed to win the silver mug!
Yeo, Redden were trades...Sheed and Rioli have been good pick ups. Was M.Allen heralded as a potential (gun) mid, now shown the door along with Mutts.. There is quite an attrition rate. Even with Kelly, who do we have in Wafl putting pressure on? Venables............AhChee...
But Shuey is pure gold.(see 2019 highlights) Gaff is an enigma..or a wingman. Doesn't have that breakaway speed or line-breaking ability, to take the game on, like Yeo+Shuey. Yeo could peak in 2020, getting loose with Kelly in the mix. Kelly could potentially be outrageous in the blue+gold, with silver plate service around him.
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What would be the average for all teams? A grade mids drafted over the same period. I wouldn't imagine most teams would be overflowing with them apart from the forever cellar dwellars.
Brisbane.... about 35
It's not like Dom won us a flag or anything
I find your point that we've been dog-shit at recruiting mids interesting. It's partially true, but there are more layers and circumstances to look at.
Firstly, one could argue that Scott Selwood was ravaged by chronic ankle injuries and at full fitness would have remained in the side for the '15 GF. Swift was highly-rated but chose to pursue another career. Ebert left on the cusp of his prime. Masten was a battler who did some nice things, and the rest were dead-set average.
So we went after mids pretty hard following the Cousins-Judd departure, but eventually found the reality that targeting leftover midfielders with ~15-30, out of necessity, isn't a reliable method for finding guns. A deep draft is needed to do this with confidence, for example 2008 was a wicked year with serious midfield depth all the way down past Shuey at #20. In contrast, 2009 was particularly weak and we chose to take a punt on Weedon at #22 (2007 was also pretty weak, where we did have a significant draft hand). edit: forgot to mention that most clubs overlooked Fyfe, and Shep isn't a bad substitute...
When given the opportunity at #4 in 2010 in a decent draft, we grabbed a 200+ gamer in Gaff. 2011 was Murray Newman at #23; a genuine error on behalf of our recruiters as they attempted to find another potential gem and overlooked the highly-rated defender Yeo (Brisbane, #30), bolter Brad Hill (Hawthorn, #33) and Lachie Neale (Fremantle, #58 !!!). Hey, at least we can always give the Blues shit for Josh Bootsma at #22.
2012 was another draft lacking depth past the early teens. We traded #18 for Wellingham, losing a shot at Grundy. However, rucks were our strongest position and Sharrod was playing good footy, so you can understand their thinking at the time.
In 2013 we did some crafty trading moves to do a deal for Yeo and end up with pick #11, which we knew would net Sheed. In our eyes, he was a safe bet for being a long-term contributor and leader in our midfield. Many were disappointed that we gave up the chance to take Aish, but I think the decision has been vindicated. I honestly don't think we saw Yeo becoming as damaging a midfielder as he has, but such a meteoric rise has probably saved at least one recruiter's career.
Duggan at #11 in 2014 and I still don't think the bloke has hit his peak yet. 2020 is a big year for Duggo.
Partington at #28 in 2015, and once again I can't see any players stand out that were still available. Redden for 17 was just about a bargain.
2016 gave us Venables, who is still a relative unknown despite displaying moments of great skill and application through a full finals series. Mitchell came across to teach our mids a trick or two, showing just how important it is to have renowned, senior players across your lines imparting their knowledge to the rookies. A huge hole was left in our midfield in this regard for many years following 2007's departures and Kerr's persistent issues (ultimately, this could be one of the most crucial causes of our woes in developing midfield talent).
In 2017, highly-rated talls slipped through the cracks into our awaiting arms. No-brainer there, and I'm looking forward to sharing the optimism of the board on Brander as he develops in 2020.
Anyway, this turned out a hell of a lot longer than it needed to be, but I think there is context to our situation, as there is with all clubs. I'm just glad that our recruiting team found a way to build a premiership list. Most of the time, you can't plan for success through the draft in a long-term strategy. You can only try and make the best of each situation as it presents itself, improving your list.
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Is missed domIt's not like Dom won us a flag or anything
I find your point that we've been dog-shit at recruiting mids interesting. It's partially true, but there are more layers and circumstances to look at.
Firstly, one could argue that Scott Selwood was ravaged by chronic ankle injuries and at full fitness would have remained in the side for the '15 GF. Swift was highly-rated but chose to pursue another career. Ebert left on the cusp of his prime. Masten was a battler who did some nice things, and the rest were dead-set average.
So we went after mids pretty hard following the Cousins-Judd departure, but eventually found the reality that targeting leftover midfielders with ~15-30, out of necessity, isn't a reliable method for finding guns. A deep draft is needed to do this with confidence, for example 2008 was a wicked year with serious midfield depth all the way down past Shuey at #20. In contrast, 2009 was particularly weak and we chose to take a punt on Weedon at #22 (2007 was also pretty weak, where we did have a significant draft hand).
When given the opportunity at #4 in 2010 in a decent draft, we grabbed a 200+ gamer in Gaff. 2011 was Murray Newman at #23; a genuine error on behalf of our recruiters as they attempted to find another potential gem and overlooked the highly-rated defender Yeo (Brisbane, #30), bolter Brad Hill (Hawthorn, #33) and Lachie Neale (Fremantle, #58 !!!). Hey, at least we can always give the Blues shit for Josh Bootsma at #22.
2012 was another draft lacking depth past the early teens. We traded #18 for Wellingham, losing a shot at Grundy. However, rucks were our strongest position and Sharrod was playing good footy, so you can understand their thinking at the time.
In 2013 we did some crafty trading moves to do a deal for Yeo and end up with pick #11, which we knew would net Sheed. In our eyes, he was a safe bet for being a long-term contributor and leader in our midfield. Many were disappointed that we gave up the chance to take Aish, but I think the decision has been vindicated. I honestly don't think we saw Yeo becoming as damaging a midfielder as he has, but such a meteoric rise has probably saved at least one recruiter's career.
Duggan at #11 in 2014 and I still don't think the bloke has hit his peak yet. 2020 is a big year for Duggo.
Partington at #28 in 2015, and once again I can't see any players stand out that were still available. Redden for 17 was just about a bargain.
2016 gave us Venables, who is still a relative unknown despite displaying moments of great skill and application through a full finals series. Mitchell came across to teach our mids a trick or two, showing just how important it is to have renowned, senior players across your lines imparting their knowledge to the rookies. A huge hole was left in our midfield in this regard for many years following 2007's departures and Kerr's persistent issues (ultimately, this could be one of the most crucial causes of our woes in developing midfield talent).
In 2017, highly-rated talls slipped through the cracks into our awaiting arms. No-brainer there, and I'm looking forward to sharing the optimism of the board on Brander as he develops in 2020.
Anyway, this turned out a hell of a lot longer than it needed to be, but I think there is context to our situation, as there is with all clubs. I'm just glad that our recruiting team found a way to build a premiership list. Most of the time, you can't plan for success through the draft in a long-term strategy. You can only try and make the best of each situation as it presents itself, improving your list.
Is bad
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Scotty selwood could have been a solid a- i think had injuries not cruelled him
Ebert a b+
Ebert a b+
Good post Mr.Jiggy!
Selwood didn't have the finishing skills as i recall, bit of a fizzer for mine. Even Joel hasn't had a lot polish until recently.
Ebert arguably has improved at Port, but not gun-level?
Swift, did we ever really see what he had to offer-he copped a lot of flak.
Wellingham had a killer raking kick, but seemed to de-evolve, will always be associated with a trampoline.
Partington, a bit of noise, then nothing and gone. Like Tom Lamb-personality clash? (drink their own bathwater?)
But Duggan and Venables could break on through in next season or two.
It's a lottery or lucky dip, a gold-plated rookie gun could go belly-up, while an outside smokey could become the next big thing. Most good players take a few years to really shine or learn their craft and gain experience.
Trades and drafts are not unlike swings and roundabouts, but sometimes you get there in the end,
like we seem to have done, no doubt with a bit of luck thrown in.
Selwood didn't have the finishing skills as i recall, bit of a fizzer for mine. Even Joel hasn't had a lot polish until recently.
Ebert arguably has improved at Port, but not gun-level?
Swift, did we ever really see what he had to offer-he copped a lot of flak.
Wellingham had a killer raking kick, but seemed to de-evolve, will always be associated with a trampoline.
Partington, a bit of noise, then nothing and gone. Like Tom Lamb-personality clash? (drink their own bathwater?)
But Duggan and Venables could break on through in next season or two.
It's a lottery or lucky dip, a gold-plated rookie gun could go belly-up, while an outside smokey could become the next big thing. Most good players take a few years to really shine or learn their craft and gain experience.
Trades and drafts are not unlike swings and roundabouts, but sometimes you get there in the end,
like we seem to have done, no doubt with a bit of luck thrown in.
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Spot on.It's not like Dom won us a flag or anything
I find your point that we've been dog-shit at recruiting mids interesting. It's partially true, but there are more layers and circumstances to look at.
Firstly, one could argue that Scott Selwood was ravaged by chronic ankle injuries and at full fitness would have remained in the side for the '15 GF. Swift was highly-rated but chose to pursue another career. Ebert left on the cusp of his prime. Masten was a battler who did some nice things, and the rest were dead-set average.
So we went after mids pretty hard following the Cousins-Judd departure, but eventually found the reality that targeting leftover midfielders with ~15-30, out of necessity, isn't a reliable method for finding guns. A deep draft is needed to do this with confidence, for example 2008 was a wicked year with serious midfield depth all the way down past Shuey at #20. In contrast, 2009 was particularly weak and we chose to take a punt on Weedon at #22 (2007 was also pretty weak, where we did have a significant draft hand). edit: forgot to mention that most clubs overlooked Fyfe, and Shep isn't a bad substitute...
When given the opportunity at #4 in 2010 in a decent draft, we grabbed a 200+ gamer in Gaff. 2011 was Murray Newman at #23; a genuine error on behalf of our recruiters as they attempted to find another potential gem and overlooked the highly-rated defender Yeo (Brisbane, #30), bolter Brad Hill (Hawthorn, #33) and Lachie Neale (Fremantle, #58 !!!). Hey, at least we can always give the Blues shit for Josh Bootsma at #22.
2012 was another draft lacking depth past the early teens. We traded #18 for Wellingham, losing a shot at Grundy. However, rucks were our strongest position and Sharrod was playing good footy, so you can understand their thinking at the time.
In 2013 we did some crafty trading moves to do a deal for Yeo and end up with pick #11, which we knew would net Sheed. In our eyes, he was a safe bet for being a long-term contributor and leader in our midfield. Many were disappointed that we gave up the chance to take Aish, but I think the decision has been vindicated. I honestly don't think we saw Yeo becoming as damaging a midfielder as he has, but such a meteoric rise has probably saved at least one recruiter's career.
Duggan at #11 in 2014 and I still don't think the bloke has hit his peak yet. 2020 is a big year for Duggo.
Partington at #28 in 2015, and once again I can't see any players stand out that were still available. Redden for 17 was just about a bargain.
2016 gave us Venables, who is still a relative unknown despite displaying moments of great skill and application through a full finals series. Mitchell came across to teach our mids a trick or two, showing just how important it is to have renowned, senior players across your lines imparting their knowledge to the rookies. A huge hole was left in our midfield in this regard for many years following 2007's departures and Kerr's persistent issues (ultimately, this could be one of the most crucial causes of our woes in developing midfield talent).
In 2017, highly-rated talls slipped through the cracks into our awaiting arms. No-brainer there, and I'm looking forward to sharing the optimism of the board on Brander as he develops in 2020.
Anyway, this turned out a hell of a lot longer than it needed to be, but I think there is context to our situation, as there is with all clubs. I'm just glad that our recruiting team found a way to build a premiership list. Most of the time, you can't plan for success through the draft in a long-term strategy. You can only try and make the best of each situation as it presents itself, improving
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/hangs head
Yes.2010 was a stand out year for our drafting and formed the basis for our rise up the ladder
If the 2910 draft was done again we would have 4 players picked in the to 10. Gaff Darling McGovern and Lovett.
Three are AA , all four are premiership players.
It's not like Dom won us a flag or anything
I find your point that we've been dog-shit at recruiting mids interesting. It's partially true, but there are more layers and circumstances to look at.
Firstly, one could argue that Scott Selwood was ravaged by chronic ankle injuries and at full fitness would have remained in the side for the '15 GF. Swift was highly-rated but chose to pursue another career. Ebert left on the cusp of his prime. Masten was a battler who did some nice things, and the rest were dead-set average.
So we went after mids pretty hard following the Cousins-Judd departure, but eventually found the reality that targeting leftover midfielders with ~15-30, out of necessity, isn't a reliable method for finding guns. A deep draft is needed to do this with confidence, for example 2008 was a wicked year with serious midfield depth all the way down past Shuey at #20. In contrast, 2009 was particularly weak and we chose to take a punt on Weedon at #22 (2007 was also pretty weak, where we did have a significant draft hand). edit: forgot to mention that most clubs overlooked Fyfe, and Shep isn't a bad substitute...
When given the opportunity at #4 in 2010 in a decent draft, we grabbed a 200+ gamer in Gaff. 2011 was Murray Newman at #23; a genuine error on behalf of our recruiters as they attempted to find another potential gem and overlooked the highly-rated defender Yeo (Brisbane, #30), bolter Brad Hill (Hawthorn, #33) and Lachie Neale (Fremantle, #58 !!!). Hey, at least we can always give the Blues shit for Josh Bootsma at #22.
2012 was another draft lacking depth past the early teens. We traded #18 for Wellingham, losing a shot at Grundy. However, rucks were our strongest position and Sharrod was playing good footy, so you can understand their thinking at the time.
In 2013 we did some crafty trading moves to do a deal for Yeo and end up with pick #11, which we knew would net Sheed. In our eyes, he was a safe bet for being a long-term contributor and leader in our midfield. Many were disappointed that we gave up the chance to take Aish, but I think the decision has been vindicated. I honestly don't think we saw Yeo becoming as damaging a midfielder as he has, but such a meteoric rise has probably saved at least one recruiter's career.
Duggan at #11 in 2014 and I still don't think the bloke has hit his peak yet. 2020 is a big year for Duggo.
Partington at #28 in 2015, and once again I can't see any players stand out that were still available. Redden for 17 was just about a bargain.
2016 gave us Venables, who is still a relative unknown despite displaying moments of great skill and application through a full finals series. Mitchell came across to teach our mids a trick or two, showing just how important it is to have renowned, senior players across your lines imparting their knowledge to the rookies. A huge hole was left in our midfield in this regard for many years following 2007's departures and Kerr's persistent issues (ultimately, this could be one of the most crucial causes of our woes in developing midfield talent).
In 2017, highly-rated talls slipped through the cracks into our awaiting arms. No-brainer there, and I'm looking forward to sharing the optimism of the board on Brander as he develops in 2020.
Anyway, this turned out a hell of a lot longer than it needed to be, but I think there is context to our situation, as there is with all clubs. I'm just glad that our recruiting team found a way to build a premiership list. Most of the time, you can't plan for success through the draft in a long-term strategy. You can only try and make the best of each situation as it presents itself, improving your list.
Good assessment & thoughtful. Some here could learn to do a little research like u have done
LIST BREAKDOWN
A: , Shannon Hurn, Tim Kelly, Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey
A-: Jeremy McGovern, Jack Darling
B+: Brad Sheppard, Andrew Gaff, Nic Naitanui
B: Liam Ryan, Josh Kennedy, Lewis Jetta, Tom Barrass, Willie Rioli
B-: Dom Sheed, Jamie Cripps, Jack Redden
C+: Mark Hutchings, Tom Hickey, Oscar Allen
C: Jackson Nelson, Will Schofield, Josh Smith, Liam Duggan
C-: Keegan Brooksby, Kurt Mutimer, Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Vardy, Francis Watson, Tom Cole
Developing*: , Luke Foley, Jarrod Cameron, Jarrod Brander
Developing: Jack Petruccelle, Daniel Venables, Hamish Brayshaw, Brayden Ainsworth, Josh Rotham, Matthew Allen, Jake Waterman, Xavier O’Neill, Bailey Williams, Harry Edwards,
A: , Shannon Hurn, Tim Kelly, Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey
A-: Jeremy McGovern, Jack Darling
B+: Brad Sheppard, Andrew Gaff, Nic Naitanui
B: Liam Ryan, Josh Kennedy, Lewis Jetta, Tom Barrass, Willie Rioli
B-: Dom Sheed, Jamie Cripps, Jack Redden
C+: Mark Hutchings, Tom Hickey, Oscar Allen
C: Jackson Nelson, Will Schofield, Josh Smith, Liam Duggan
C-: Keegan Brooksby, Kurt Mutimer, Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Vardy, Francis Watson, Tom Cole
Developing*: , Luke Foley, Jarrod Cameron, Jarrod Brander
Developing: Jack Petruccelle, Daniel Venables, Hamish Brayshaw, Brayden Ainsworth, Josh Rotham, Matthew Allen, Jake Waterman, Xavier O’Neill, Bailey Williams, Harry Edwards,
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Mate there are a couple delisted from your list
Peeps forget Selwood was Club Champion.
Ebert's tendency to kick it out on the full used to infuriate me
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