Can Mike Sheahan do that?

[Barrabus]

Geez, I can't believe anyone is buying the Immune shot theory, fact of the matter is that there's not an editor in existence, even at the Herald-Sun that would run a story like that, and name names, without serious proof.

The decider will be in the court action, if it were false, West Coast would sue, and don't even try to say it would distrupt the season, they would hire lawyers, they would do it, it wouldn't affect anyone's season. Simple as that.

 

[stickman11]

Most definetely. Does Shehan actually have solid proof or is it all hersay? .

I thought West Coast Chad fletcher episode in Las vegas was due to a yellow fever injection or food poisoning .

Hospital records?

 

[goalpie]

I wonder if he had a good trip.

 

[theGav56]

Wrong.

http://www.yellowfever.com.au/vaccine.html

not required for mexico or cuba.

Mexico is not in South America, it is in North America, and consistantly tries to correct this misinformation. Cuba is in neither, but is in the Northern hemisphere.

 

[Teagueeee15]

Geez, I can't believe anyone is buying the Immune shot theory, fact of the matter is that there's not an editor in existence, even at the Herald-Sun that would run a story like that, and name names, without serious proof.

The decider will be in the court action, if it were false, West Coast would sue, and don't even try to say it would distrupt the season, they would hire lawyers, they would do it, it wouldn't affect anyone's season. Simple as that.

They just had a snippet from Dalton Gooding on seven news stating that the Fletcher incident was "Alcohol related". There was no mention from him about the supposed Yellow Fever immunisation. The reporter also said that this was the third version of events given by the Eagles about the Las Vegas incident.

 

[wal]

They just had a snippet from Dalton Gooding on seven news stating that the Fletcher incident was "Alcohol related". There was no mention from him about the supposed Yellow Fever immunisation. The reporter also said that this was the third version of events given by the Eagles about the Las Vegas incident.

Was Dalton holding a big shovel?

 

[Cameron_K]

Are they sure Fletcher hasn't got depression?

 

[bushie]

They just had a snippet from Dalton Gooding on seven news stating that the Fletcher incident was "Alcohol related". There was no mention from him about the supposed Yellow Fever immunisation. The reporter also said that this was the third version of events given by the Eagles about the Las Vegas incident.

It just gets more and more mysterious.

 

[toomanysquibs]

Sheehan is smart enough not to publish rubbish.

Sheehan's smart enough to not to publish anything that might attract litigation.

But there's a rock solid body of evidence to support the notion he's been publishing rubbish for a loooooong time - ref. anything below his byline

 

[G.O.B]

Yes you do. You need that vaccine in all South American countries. I needed one when I went to Venezuela (its a hole)

Have travelled extensively through the Southern part of South America and have never needed/required a vaccine.

 

[krisholio14]

would it be far to say that "the dominator" and "ronnie" are not the most stable influences down at carlton?

and before the mods get a hard on, I am a lawyer and there is no case for defamation in the above.

if its the ronnie im thinking of, no he wouldnt be.

im not going to name names of course, but i know there are drug issues with AFL footballers because ive SEEN them buying the **** and ive SEEN them taking it.

as for chad fletcher, surely the old adage 'where theres smoke theres fire' applies here? in fact i think we passed that point around the time ch 7 blew the lid right off it.

 

[Brilliant]

Bluey wasn't there as far as I know.

All I know is that they were invited into the west Coast players room, saw what was going on and walked out straight away! They did that because they knew exactly what was going to happen....

eddie hung out with them for a while though.

and the original question "Can Mike Sheahan do that?"
obviously he can , he did.

 

[Embers]

Fletcher manager issues a brief statement. He said that Fletcher denies the allegations fully and is considering legal action.

Rumored that any legal action will have to occur with permission from Eagles top management and most likely after the 2007 season.

 

[DJONA2000]

eddie hung out with them for a while though.

and the original question "Can Mike Sheahan do that?"
obviously he can , he did.

the old rat, justin dowers from latrobe valley. good kid, eddie = obviously handles the "mark bosnich" aswell as alan didak a hard tag.

 

[bunsen burner]

Hey bunsen,

Not trying to start a big blue here, but I think if MS was sued, Herald Sun would only need to prove reasonable probability to "win".

I'm no legal expert but have seen people like Packer and Rivkin and Marsden sue people for libel. Basically they won the cases because the person who made the claims couldn't back it up.

And what's reasonable probability? "Fletcher didn't need an in jection to go to destination x"? I wouldn't think that is good enough to claim the cover up was over illicit drugs. They could have simply been covering Fletcher drinking too much.

They really need to have eye witnesses or people who were around the scene who can back them up.

Not sure what sheahan and The Hun have but they've obviously done their sums. I suspect they have FA except word from some other players. Ie very confident it happened but without proof and very confident the Eagles/Fletcher won't call their bluff.

People have mentined timing (just before season kick off) and I think that certainly has some substance.

 

[rick James]

2. What do these two players think they're doing dobbing a fellow player in to the media? Dogs.

Perhaps they personally don't like the drug stigma being associated with them merely for being AFL players, perhaps they're sick of a few players giving the rest of them a bad name.

Perhaps they've had people close to them really ruin themselves on drugs and don't want senior players influencing younger ones to take drugs. Footy club culture is very much a peer group setting, and if I was an established player and new my younger brother might get exposed to it at certain clubs when drafted in a year or two, I'd want to do my bit to protect him. It's completely understandable.

3. I wonder if Fletcher and the other Eagles boys know who it is? Watch out for the Eagles roughing up and sledging players before the bounce this year.

I wonder if Fletcher uses Coke before games, this needs to be brought in to the 'performance enhancing' side of things imo - using cocaine during a match is getting an added benefit. If somebody is found with it in their system they should be banned instantly, just like Sean Charles was.

4. What other players/teams went to Vegas last year? Anyone know?

None that I'm aware of, perhaps a few WCE players are sick of the bad image. Perhaps Chris Judd is one of them?

 

[bunsen burner]

Perhaps they personally don't like the drug stigma being associated with them merely for being AFL players, perhaps they're sick of a few players giving the rest of them a bad name.

It's more than a few players. As the article suggests - it's widespread.

Perhaps they've had people close to them really ruin themselves on drugs and don't want senior players influencing younger ones to take drugs. Footy club culture is very much a peer group setting, and if I was an established player and new my younger brother might get exposed to it at certain clubs when drafted in a year or two, I'd want to do my bit to protect him. It's completely understandable.

So you condone dobbing?

I wonder if Fletcher uses Coke before games, this needs to be brought in to the 'performance enhancing' side of things imo - using cocaine during a match is getting an added benefit. If somebody is found with it in their system they should be banned instantly, just like Sean Charles was.

I have no problems with the AFL testing for illicit stimulants such as coke and amphetamine prior to a game or straight after a game. Any ther time should be off limits - just PED.

None that I'm aware of, perhaps a few WCE players are sick of the bad image. Perhaps Chris Judd is one of them?

Collingwood.

And I doubt any WCE players would be dobbing their own in. Too much comraderie and bonding to let someone else's (and in particular the leader of the pack) differing view on what's cool to party with get in the way.

 

[rick James]

I also dont think he had a yellow fever injection during the finals. If he did thatd be the real issue. I dont think you lose 15kg from a coke overdose but meh.

Well the vomiting of blood actually sounds more like Heroin than Coke imo - but it's possible if he was having a truckload of convulsions. Hard to really say if he ever actually vomited blood or not though I guess - but usually a coke overdose isn't from sniffing it either - it tends to come more from people freebasing it or even injecting it.

Either Chad is into the crackpipe or the smack needle imo.

 

[DJONA2000]

daniel kerr = didnt pull out of a game in 05 with "illness" due to consumption of a gary ablett during the warmup

 

[DJONA2000]

Well the vomiting of blood actually sounds more like Heroin than Coke imo - but it's possible if he was having a truckload of convulsions. Hard to really say if he ever actually vomited blood or not though I guess - but usually a coke overdose isn't from sniffing it either - it tends to come more from people freebasing it or even injecting it.

Either Chad is into the crackpipe or the smack needle imo.

was crack, an old trick the stkilda ruckman may of taught a few of the boys

 

[bunsen burner]

Well the vomiting of blood actually sounds more like Heroin than Coke imo - but it's possible if he was having a truckload of convulsions. Hard to really say if he ever actually vomited blood or not though I guess - but usually a coke overdose isn't from sniffing it either - it tends to come more from people freebasing it or even injecting it.

Either Chad is into the crackpipe or the smack needle imo.

This is one prblem I've had from the beginning. The yellow fever or whatever it is is obviously a lie. But I just can't see people flatlining off coke. Even smoking it or blasting it. I've never heard of it happening. Possibly could be too much alcohol with the coke but that's not really a vomit blood thing - that's a choke on vomit thing.

It's possible he thought he was getting charlie but got harry. Or maybe he doesn't mind the odd toot?

 

[rick James]

It's more than a few players. As the article suggests - it's widespread

All the more reason for someone to speak out then if it's annoying them.

So you condone dobbing?

This isn't the class room, this is people's livelihoods. The NBA faced a PR disaster when a number 2 draft pick OD'd and died two days after being drafted, it took Michael Jordan's heyday to bring the money back to the NBA following it.

It would be dobbing if the drug takers were only affecting themselves, but they aren't. They're affecting the other players, they're affecting the example set for kids and they're affecting the league as a whole.

The AFL can not afford such a risk, and the players can't afford the AFL to take such a risk - if Fletcher had of actually died it would be a nightmare for the AFL.

I have no problems with the AFL testing for illicit stimulants such as coke and amphetamine prior to a game or straight after a game. Any ther time should be off limits - just PED.

that isn't in line with how performance enhancing drug testing works though - if they are tested at all times, and say, found with it in their system mid week - it's a sign that they are a user and enough to them banned.

Collingwood.

And I doubt any WCE players would be dobbing their own in. Too much comraderie and bonding to let someone else's (and in particular the leader of the pack) differing view on what's cool to party with get in the way.

Fair enough, I said I wasn't aware of any. Maybe Bucks is behind it.

Most people would be aware I'm against criminalisation for drugs users, but I get the distinct impression that Australia is about to really jump on board the crackwagon like America did in the 80's - we don't need our sports heroes getting on it and setting that example. I'm not one to really be like that regarding footballers behaviour - but I think it's time to draw the line and for the highly paid, looked up to players to just suck it up and sacrifice the drugs for the lifestyle they get in return.

I think it's out of line to payout on any player who speaks out too, they have every right to speak out, this could seriously affect both the publics perception of them as footballers, and their future ability to earn income.

 

[thegrach]

They just had a snippet from Dalton Gooding on seven news stating that the Fletcher incident was "Alcohol related". There was no mention from him about the supposed Yellow Fever immunisation. The reporter also said that this was the third version of events given by the Eagles about the Las Vegas incident.

Things just going from bad to worse here, surely you wouldn't spend 4 days in hospital from drinking too much, and spewing. I know blokes (not smart blokes) who have had their stomach pumped and back out on it the next night!

 

[rick James]

This is one prblem I've had from the beginning. The yellow fever or whatever it is is obviously a lie. But I just can't see people flatlining off coke. Even smoking it or blasting it. I've never heard of it happening. Possibly could be too much alcohol with the coke but that's not really a vomit blood thing - that's a choke on vomit thing.

It's possible he thought he was getting charlie but got harry. Or maybe he doesn't mind the odd toot?

Flatlining off coke is very, very possible if you're smoking it or freebasing. Rarely happens when someone snorts it, but smoking it can out you into cardiac somethingorother... it's notoriously bad for your heart - it's how Len Bias (that number 2 draft pick I was talking about) died.

but yeah, never heard of anyone actually vomitting heaps on a coke OD, let alone vomiting blood, but convulsions are possible and if he had a belly full of grog as well it could do it.

Honeslty though my money's on, if the rumours are true and a drug OD was the cause, him being on smack.

 

[bunsen burner]

Most people would be aware I'm against criminalisation for drugs users, but I get the distinct impression that Australia is about to really jump on board the crackwagon like America did in the 80's

It's been around for a while but not huge yet. The ice wagon is here - apart from being a different drug, has a lot of similarities to crack. It's bad sh it and it's everywhere.