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And the better Hinkley coaches... the more times he gets his team into the Top 4, the more expectation everyone seems to place on him for Port to win it all. He essentially makes a rod for his own back.Exactly.
This thread proves to me that the human brain of most people don’t really understand numbers. It’s as if people don’t understand that only 1 team out of 18 wins the premiership.
If Port are one of the 17 teams that don’t win the premiership (or 16 teams that don’t make Grand Final) this is normal, and expected.
The same fools calling for Hinkley head would be the same fools claiming Brisbane underachieved if they don’t win the premiership. How about we just award three premierships every year to give to the three-or-so teams who are good enough to win it.
The average human brain does not understand numbers and the unlikelyhood of certain events happening
Exactly.
This thread proves to me that the human brain of most people don’t really understand numbers. It’s as if people don’t understand that only 1 team out of 18 wins the premiership.
If Port are one of the 17 teams that don’t win the premiership (or 16 teams that don’t make Grand Final) this is normal, and expected.
The same fools calling for Hinkley head would be the same fools claiming Brisbane underachieved if they don’t win the premiership. How about we just award three premierships every year to give to the three-or-so teams who are good enough to win it.
The average human brain does not understand numbers and the unlikelyhood of certain events happening
No, I don't see how comparing the record of one coach who has made a GF in 8 seasons as coach to another coach who has not made a GF in 12 seasons as coach (again, the one and only coach in AFL history to have ever coached 10 years without making one, let alone 12) is splitting hairs. Fagan has been around four less years and still has a better record. That's not splitting hairs. That's a very significant difference.
What does this even mean lol
I'd take Fagan or McRae or anyone else from the twelve blokes I listed, yes.
In isolation. Sure.
But if you want to play the odds game, Ken has had what, 11 attempts now? 11 attempts for a 1-18 chance of winning? Does he need to get 18 years before we say he’s not up to it?
How about the fact there are two grand finalists each year, so that is only 1-9 odds. In 11 years, he hasn’t been able to get to that milestone.
So even if it was a random coin toss, you would have expected a GF appearance at least by now.
Straight sets exits or 50 point home prelim losses shouldn’t be commended because he’s gotten them in a position they can lose.
The team needs to perform in finals. This might be the year, we’ll see.
The stars are somewhat aligning for Port. Don't discount the chances of Hinkley having a statue outside of the stadium in 10 years time.
No coach in the history of football has ever had more attention paid to their home and away win loss rate than Ken Hinkley. Because he has nothing else.60.1% win rate vs 57.1% win rate says otherwise
You have for years, kept using the list as an example of why Ken has underperformed, then in the same thread you say we can't asses lists because it's purely subjective. This is a poor argument as it's incongruous with your previous statements.
You're not taking Fagan with a w8rse win/loss rate and with less finals. And Port's never had a forward line and defence as good as the Lions.
And what would McCrae add tactically to Port that you don't have right now? They both talk the same idioms at press conferences.
This thread proves to me that the human brain of most people don’t really understand numbers. It’s as if people don’t understand that only 1 team out of 18 wins the premiership.
If Port are one of the 17 teams that don’t win the premiership (or 16 teams that don’t make Grand Final) this is normal, and expected.
If he wins the premiership watch the haters change their tune.
But once again you don’t understand numbers. This is my point. Only two teams can make the Grand Final. Plenty of good coaches and capable teams (let’s suppose there are 6 contenders every year) cannot make it because 6 into 2 doesn’t go. It sounds obvious, but the reality is that most people’s brain doesn’t compute the obvious. People’s brains look at the results, not the mathematics.You're not making the argument you think you are.
Yes, only 1 team wins a premiership. Only 2 teams make a Grand Final. But a premiership is the goal. The goal isn't to be a good average team over the long term.
So a coach who can't get you to a GF but instead can only get you to the finals just over half the time isn't worth having. It's not a defence of Hinkley to say that he has a 60% win rate, that's just more evidence that he's the wrong coach. You need a coach who has a premiership ceiling, not a coach who can semi-regularly get you to the finals without that ceiling.
No coach in the history of football has ever had more attention paid to their home and away win loss rate than Ken Hinkley. Because he has nothing else.
I'd still want him sacked if he'd never lost a home and away game in his career. The AFL is about finals and premierships. He's by far the biggest finals underperforming coach in the league right now. Possibly ever.
Four finals series in a row we've been knocked out at home against a lower rated side we beat in the H&A season. No other coach has ever or would ever survive such a record.
This is why Hinkley has been persisted with btw the players love him 95% of the Port board hates him for some reason but he gives them the chance in most seasons.
Its up to the players to want it enough.
What were the correct hypothetical set ups in the losing finals, and in what specific ways was Hinkley outcoached by his opposition in those games?when you lose a game because 1) you set up incorrectly and 2) you get outcoached, that isn't "up to the players to want it enough" at all
Like your finals series.Will lose to Giants or Cats week one and then get done by the Lions the week after.
Thread irrelevant
I believe that there still short from winning and there are still areas of improvement and consistentcy from their talls is the main issue so they probably will make a semi or prelim
One of Port's major problems has been that they completely collapse when it comes to holding their shape because they don't trust that their teammates are going to win the ball. So when the ball invariably spills outside of the stoppage if they don't take it cleanly, they've got no one to pick up the loose/ground ball. We were dead last for ground ball gets and I think second last for loose ball gets in the first half of the season. It's one of the reasons why Joel Selwood said that the Port players don't know what the others are doing and there is no connection between the players when he reviewed them during the bye rounds.What were the correct hypothetical set ups in the losing finals, and in what specific ways was Hinkley outcoached by his opposition in those games?
Very capable players not meeting their standards in critical moments (enter "it's Hinkley's job to make them play as they usually do! He said finals are SCARY!!!") looked like the cause of loss for at least a few of those finals. Or facing battle hardened dynasty teams who knew how to outlast the opposition (Hawthorn '14, Richmond '20).
Port Adelaide are 2nd on the ladder. They're in the box seat for two home finals. They're every chance to play in their 3rd Prelim Final in 5 years. They are third favourites behind the Sydney teams to win the premiership: paying $6.00 with Sportsbet. Basically a 20% chance to win it all.It's not the Ken Hinkley Football Club. Supporters want hope for the future.
Port Adelaide are 2nd on the ladder. They're in the box seat for two home finals. They're every chance to play in their 3rd Prelim Final in 5 years. They are third favourites behind the Sydney teams to win the premiership: paying $6.00 with Sportsbet. Basically a 20% chance to win it all.
Why can't you get behind your team and enjoy the ride? What's the flipping point of telling yourself you're a Port fan and being so defeatist? Let's say Port defies the odds (80% against) and seizes upon their 20% chance of winning the flag... How would you be able to enjoy it after death-riding Hinkley and your own team for this long? You will feel like fraud. You are a fraud. You're not a real supporter. Real supporters get behind their team. They're the so-called "happy clappers" that the twisted folks on the toxic Port board are so disparaging towards.
You say you want "hope for the future" ???What are ya? A clown or something ? We are heading into the last Home & Away round and you guys are 2ND ON THE LADDER!!! Jesus H. Christ... There are supporters of 10 or 12 other clubs who would kill to be in Port's shoes right now.
What the hell do you think is going to happen anyway with a different coach if & when Kenny steps aside? Do you honestly think a new coach is going to match Ken's effort of coaching the team into the Top Four every year? Do you really think a new coach is going to wave his magic wand and win the premiership that Kenny couldn't?
Geez, I'm going to laugh my arse off watching Port slide out of contention and into mediocrity after Hinkley moves on.
No. I didn't. With this new post, I have pointed out that Port are 2nd on the 2024 ladder with one round remaining. I posted their latest betting odds: $6.00 to win the flag. I also said that translates to a 20% chance according to the bookies and punters.you already made this exact post 2 months ago