Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion

[Dramoth]

Loving these F/S updates. Any idea where approximately Ben Campo ranks amongst the entire 2024 draft crop? Top 10?

From what I've seen and read of the boys, Lucas was rated in the 10-20 mark last year, while Ben was slated to go in the 30s.

This year they've reversed that and Ben could go anywhere from 5-15, while Lucas is 25+. If neither of them get picked to play state football next year, drop Ben back down to the 25s and Lucas to the 40s. But there is small chance of that really.

 

[Dramoth]

It’s pretty bloody easy, first kid gets a 20% discount, second kid gets a 10% discount, 3rd kid gets a 5% discount, any further and you pay full quota wherever they’re taken.
Don’t discriminate between f/s and northern academies, fk off the NGA bullshit and have quotas in the u18 comps for kids from indigenous or immigrant backgrounds to give them a chance in the private school bubble that is the U18s in Vic

I completely get why the academies are needed right now in the northern markets but Gold Coast with 4 is absolutely taking the piss


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I prefer to use the games the father played as the scope for the discount. 100 games - 5%, 200 games - 10%, 300 games - 20%.

So, Scott's 233 games for us would garner us a 10% discount for each of the boys.

 

[AB_Blue]

I prefer to use the games the father played as the scope for the discount. 100 games - 5%, 200 games - 10%, 300 games - 20%.

So, Scott's 233 games for us would garner us a 10% discount for each of the boys.

That’s a great idea but I would go larger discounts at 100 games (say 40%) and up from there.


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[agro]

Clubs were told in a memo from the League's football boss Laura Kane this week that they would be working with clubs to find further improvements in a range of areas, including the operations of the bidding system for father-sons and Northern Academy players

Is that code for don’t worry we’re aware that Carlton have a plethora of father/sons coming up in the next few years?

 

[Pablito]

I don't think they would get rid of the discount for next year considering clubs are making decisions now on picks next year. Surely any changes come in for the 2025 draft.

 

[ferrisb]

I don't think they would get rid of the discount for next year considering clubs are making decisions now on picks next year. Surely any changes come in for the 2025 draft.

That would be sensible.

So surely the AFL won't do that...

 

[marcmurphy3]

Apparently 2024 afl academy has been selected. Haven't seen the full list yet but will provide a good indication on where Ben and Lucas sit in the pecking order.

Champion, Allen only West Aussies named in AFL Academy

The top end of AFL talent for next year’s draft out of WA is not looking as strong as in previous years, with only two players named in the 2024 AFL Academy squads.

www.google.com

 

[Coona Blues]

Apparently 2024 afl academy has been selected. Haven't seen the full list yet but will provide a good indication on where Ben and Lucas sit in the pecking order.

Champion, Allen only West Aussies named in AFL Academy

The top end of AFL talent for next year’s draft out of WA is not looking as strong as in previous years, with only two players named in the 2024 AFL Academy squads.

www.google.com

Yep, can’t find full squad via normal searches, but only two WA boys. Will be surprised if both lads don’t make the cut.

 

[Juddernaut08]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fafl-draft-guru-kevin-sheehan-reveals-and-rates-the-top-prospects-for-2024%2Fnews-story%2F9bad903c9b671fc25d6e510f2b9dfb35&memtype=registered&mode=premium&v21=HIGH-Segment-1-SCORE&V21spcbehaviour=append

Anyone got this and could post the list of 25? It's the same article for the hsun and australian I think.

Just keen to see where the Campo twins are ranked.

 

[marcmurphy3]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fafl-draft-guru-kevin-sheehan-reveals-and-rates-the-top-prospects-for-2024%2Fnews-story%2F9bad903c9b671fc25d6e510f2b9dfb35&memtype=registered&mode=premium&v21=HIGH-Segment-1-SCORE&V21spcbehaviour=append

Anyone got this and could post the list of 25? It's the same article for the hsun and australian I think.

Just keen to see where the Campo twins are ranked.

It doesn't rank the 25, just provides a list. Only Lucas is there, not Ben but the list is from May.

 

[ferrisb]

Not the AFL Academy, but both Campo boys made the SANFL Academy for 2024. 32 players in total.

SANFL announces 2024 Under 18 Academy

The SANFL has announced its Under 18 state academy squad for 2024, featuring 32 of South Australia's brightest prospects.

central.rookieme.com

 

[Pinnell]

Darcy Hogg. Rated second highest in the APS this year. In discussions here for next year?

Edit : suprised to read he was eligible last year. Must have started school as a 6 year old

 

[Coona Blues]

eDPS just posted only four SA boys are in the 2024 AFL Academy Sid Draper, Tyler Welsh and both Camporeale boys.

Confirmed as in.

 

[Aphrodite]

2024 AFL National Academy squads announced

The 2024 AFL National Academy squads have been announced, featuring many of the country’s most promising footballers eligible for the 2024 AFL and AFLW Drafts

www.afl.com.au

The AFL has today announced the 2024 AFL National Academy squads.

The 2024 AFL National Academy Boys squad also includes father-son prospects Ben and Lucas Camporeale
Twin brothers Ben and Lucas Camporeale are eligible to join Carlton where their father Scott played 233 matches.

Ben was best afield in 2023 AFL Futures game which was played on the MCG as a curtain-raiser to the 2023 Toyota AFL Grand Final.

 

[marcmurphy3]

2024 AFL National Academy squads announced

The 2024 AFL National Academy squads have been announced, featuring many of the country’s most promising footballers eligible for the 2024 AFL and AFLW Drafts

www.afl.com.au

Great that both Ben & Lucas made it. You would think Ben was automatic after his futures game but Lucas would have been borderline.

 

[Juddernaut08]

2024 AFL National Academy squads announced

The 2024 AFL National Academy squads have been announced, featuring many of the country’s most promising footballers eligible for the 2024 AFL and AFLW Drafts

www.afl.com.au

Great to see both Ben and Lucas make it.

I wondered how much the AFL Academy correlates to their strength as a draft prospect. I did a quick comparison between:
-->Every player named as a 2023 Squad Member
-->Cal Twomey's November 2023 Ranking
-->ESPN Mock Draft November 2023

Highlights/2023 learnings:
1) No Academy = No Top 10:
All the top 10 ranked players were part of the academy. If Ben and Lucas weren't named in the Academy, it would look very unlikely that either of them bolt into the top 10 next year.

2) Academy = (almost) guaranteed Top 45 pick
About two thirds of the academy are ranked in Twomey's Top 30 ... and ESPN projects that all but 4 of the Academy players will be taken in the top 45ish picks. (TLDR: 19 out of 29 are projected top 30...and 25 out of 29 are projected top 45).

3) Good signs for Ben and Lucas
Early days, but it looks like the vast majority of Academy players become a first or second round draft pick...and it's likely that more than half of them will be first round picks. Bodes well for this year's class...including Ben and Lucas.

2023 Squad Member	Cal Twomey's Nov Top 30	ESPN Mock Draft November
Harley Reid	1	1
Jed Walter	2	4
Zand Duursma	3	3
Colby McKercher	4	2
Nick Watson	5	5
Daniel Curtin	6	8
Ryley Sanders	7	6
Nate Caddy	8	10
Ethan read	9	7
Connor O'Sullivan	10	11
Jake Rogers	13	20
Darcy Wilson	15	12
Koltyn Thostrup	16	14
Riley Hardeman	17	19
Archie Roberts	23	29
William Green	25	22
Mitchell Edwards	26	44
George Stevens	30	43
Lachlan Cabor	Unranked	Unranked
Jack Callinan	Unranked	Mentioned at 45
Caiden Cleary	Unranked	32
Jack Delean	Unranked	Mentioned at 42
William Lorenz	Unranked	Unranked
Kane McAuliffe	Unranked	Unranked
William Patton	Unranked	Mentioned at 36
Nathan Philactides	Unranked	Mentioned at 42
Cooper Simpson	Unranked	38
Orlando Turner	Unranked	Unranked
Ahston Moir	Unranked	28

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Great that both Ben & Lucas made it. You would think Ben was automatic after his futures game but Lucas would have been borderline.

They were originally only going to put Ben in the academy but then Lucas blubbed.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Also noted that prospective father daughter selection Sophie McKay made the AFLW national academy squad..

 

[JuddgementDay]

Great that both Ben & Lucas made it. You would think Ben was automatic after his futures game but Lucas would have been borderline.

They just didn't want to police which of the twin was coming to training/ games

 

[Juddernaut08]

Also noted that prospective father daughter selection Sophie McKay made the AFLW national academy squad..

good to see

 

[Wickzki]

They just didn't want to police which of the twin was coming to training/ games

You mean they're not the same person like Harry and Ben?

 

[marcmurphy3]

It's interesting that despite playing state under 18s and winning the mvp, sid draper's year at sanfl under 18 level was statistically inferior to ben camporeales. I know stats aren't everything but there is a big disparity and they play a similar role. Sid is rated a top 5 pick next year.

For example, Sid only had 25+ touches 4 times all season. Ben did that his last 8 games in a row.

Also, still find it odd that neither brother got to play state under 18s as a bottom aged player. SA team this year was pretty weak.

 

[marcmurphy3]

It's interesting that despite playing state under 18s and winning the mvp, sid draper's year at sanfl under 18 level was statistically inferior to ben camporeales. I know stats aren't everything but there is a big disparity and they play a similar role. Sid is rated a top 5 pick next year.

For example, Sid only had 25+ touches 4 times all season. Ben did that his last 8 games in a row.

Also, still find it odd that neither brother got to play state under 18s as a bottom aged player. SA team this year was pretty weak.

Looking at their stats further it appears both Camporeale's finished the year much better then they started. Might explain why no state under 18s and lack of hype through the season.

First 5 games (averages)
Ben - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 1 clr, 3 I50s, 3 tk
Lucas - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 2 I50s

Last 8 games (averages)
Ben - 29 touches (15k, 14hb), 6 clr, 5 I50s, 4 tk
Lucas - 27 touches (15k, 12 hb), 4 I50s

It appears Ben started the year playing outside, probably on a wing, then switched to playing mainly onball.

Lucas probably played on a wing all year but got a bit more midfield time as the year progressed.

 

[Jimmae]

Looking at their stats further it appears both Camporeale's finished the year much better then they started. Might explain why no state under 18s and lack of hype through the season.

First 5 games (averages)
Ben - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 1 clr, 3 I50s, 3 tk
Lucas - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 2 I50s

Last 8 games (averages)
Ben - 29 touches (15k, 14hb), 6 clr, 5 I50s, 4 tk
Lucas - 27 touches (15k, 12 hb), 4 I50s

It appears Ben started the year playing outside, probably on a wing, then switched to playing mainly onball.

Lucas probably played on a wing all year but got a bit more midfield time as the year progressed.

IIRC, Lucas was playing off HB initially, Ben off the wing.

 

[marcmurphy3]

IIRC, Lucas was playing off HB initially, Ben off the wing.

Thanks for the info. I didn't watch any games so just tried to figure it off stats. Looks like Lucas was getting more rebound 50s early in the year so that makes sense.