Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion

[marcmurphy3]

If anyone didn't get to see it live and wanted to check out the twins, here is the futures match. The first couple of times I searched it wasn't up (only the highlights) but here it is.

2023 AFL Futures Match

The best under-17 boys footballers from across the country were on show in the 2023 AFL Futures match, which featured Team Selwood against Team Naitanui.

www.afl.com.au

 

[GoBlues!]

Looking at their stats further it appears both Camporeale's finished the year much better then they started. Might explain why no state under 18s and lack of hype through the season.

First 5 games (averages)
Ben - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 1 clr, 3 I50s, 3 tk
Lucas - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 2 I50s

Last 8 games (averages)
Ben - 29 touches (15k, 14hb), 6 clr, 5 I50s, 4 tk
Lucas - 27 touches (15k, 12 hb), 4 I50s

It appears Ben started the year playing outside, probably on a wing, then switched to playing mainly onball.

Lucas probably played on a wing all year but got a bit more midfield time as the year progressed.

Interesting stats mm3. No tackles by Lucas whereas Ben averaged 3 to 4 a game.

Any reason Lucas doesn’t tackle?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Interesting stats mm3. No tackles by Lucas whereas Ben averaged 3 to 4 a game.

Any reason Lucas doesn’t tackle?

He does tackle. Averages about 2-3 per game. I just didn't note the numbers as he plays more of an outside role then Ben so thought it less relevant.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Looking at their stats further it appears both Camporeale's finished the year much better then they started. Might explain why no state under 18s and lack of hype through the season.

First 5 games (averages)
Ben - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 1 clr, 3 I50s, 3 tk
Lucas - 19 touches (12k, 7hb), 2 I50s

Last 8 games (averages)
Ben - 29 touches (15k, 14hb), 6 clr, 5 I50s, 4 tk
Lucas - 27 touches (15k, 12 hb), 4 I50s

It appears Ben started the year playing outside, probably on a wing, then switched to playing mainly onball.

Lucas probably played on a wing all year but got a bit more midfield time as the year progressed.

Amazing how similar their numbers have been throughout. They track each other so closely. Both know how to find the pill.

 

[branedotorg]

Not sure if it goes here or the draft thread but this one's got navy blue blood

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

Jay clark reporting that changes maybe coming to nga matching system as clubs were complaining they couldnt gain access to their players until they are outside the top 40. do we have anyone notable coming through our nga system

 

[TimeFor17]

Jay clark reporting that changes maybe coming to nga matching system as clubs were complaining they couldnt gain access to their players until they are outside the top 40. do we have anyone notable coming through our nga system

If we do next year, the afl will wait until the following year to make changes…

 

[Blue and Silver]

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[marcmurphy3]

Jay clark reporting that changes maybe coming to nga matching system as clubs were complaining they couldnt gain access to their players until they are outside the top 40. do we have anyone notable coming through our nga system

I reckon they will go to top 20 which isn't a bad compromise. Either that or enable clubs lower down the ladder to match higher bids. I prefer the former as its simpler.

Shouldn't be the same as Northern academies as most the kids in nga would be playing afl with or without that system

 

[Arr0w]

Number of measures being touted with matching bids.

Apparently F/S selections could require clubs having a pick in the round of the bid and or within a tight range rather than amassing later picks

So, not surprised we have retained our future 1st until knowing the final details of likely changes

 

[marcmurphy3]

Number of measures being touted with matching bids.

Apparently F/S selections could require clubs having a pick in the round of the bid and or within a tight range rather than amassing later picks

So, not surprised we have retained our future 1st until knowing the final details of likely changes

If it's the latter it'll be tough for clubs who have players bidded on early and dont have early picks. Trading up in the first round requires way overs and at times isn't even possible. Don't like it.

Needing a same round pick is pretty broad. What happens if a player is bidded on with pick 17 and you have already used your first round pick?

Simpler way would just be to:
A) Adjust the points values of picks to weight earlier picks slightly higher (has the same impact as the above 2 options but less complicated)
B) Remove the discount
C) Cap the amount of academy bids that can be matched in round 1 regardless of ladder position

In addition, as a compromise for clubs that dont have northern academies let clubs match next gen academy academy bids outside pick 20 (rather then 40).

 

[branedotorg]

If it's the latter it'll be tough for clubs who have players bidded on early and dont have early picks. Trading up in the first round requires way overs and at times isn't even possible. Don't like it.

Needing a same round pick is pretty broad. What happens if a player is bidded on with pick 17 and you have already used your first round pick?

Simpler way would just be to:
A) Adjust the points values of picks to weight earlier picks slightly higher (has the same impact as the above 2 options but less complicated)
B) Remove the discount
C) Cap the amount of academy bids that can be matched in round 1 regardless of ladder position

In addition, as a compromise for clubs that dont have northern academies let clubs match next gen academy academy bids outside pick 20 (rather then 40).

I don't have a problem with making a club match a bid with a pick in the round, nothing stopping GC from trading and splitting picks to get 17, 19 & 21 rather than 10 r3 & r4 picks. Makes it more honest.

Let them use the future pick to match if they value the player.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't have a problem with making a club match a bid with a pick in the round, nothing stopping GC from trading and splitting picks to get 17, 19 & 21 rather than 10 r3 & r4 picks. Makes it more honest.

Let them use the future pick to match if they value the player.

There is though, because the narrower the range the less potential trade partners they have, and the more power those clubs have in negotiation. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is very limiting if you essentially need to manufacture a pick in a range of say 4-8 positions. You also don't know where a bid is going to come, so very hard to predict which picks you might need.

I think the greater issue is the pick trades on draft night. AFL didn't like clubs stockpiling a stack of third and fourth rounders to match an early bid or two, so they implemented the "only as many picks as you have list positions" rule. Which is great, right up until GC just do their last few pick swaps/splits 30secs after the draft commences and make a mockery of the rule.

I think there are limited options for further restrictions on that front. Maybe something like only being able to trade your pick when the timer starts for that selection? Means when time comes for a club to make a selection, they can take offers and slide back if it suits them, but when it comes to matching bids you're pretty much restricted to the hand you have when you start the night.

GC's first pick was at 24, so they wouldn't have been in a position to trade that for multiple later picks because it would have been used when matching the early bid for Walters. Still allows a club like Geelong, for example, to move from 10 to 11 in return for a future pick from Essendon. Or GWS to split Pick 8 for two later firsts from Adelaide.

 

[branedotorg]

There is though, because the narrower the range the less potential trade partners they have, and the more power those clubs have in negotiation. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is very limiting if you essentially need to manufacture a pick in a range of say 4-8 positions. You also don't know where a bid is going to come, so very hard to predict which picks you might need.

i don't have a problem with that, three first round rated players but you can only 'find' two first round picks?

you only get two of them then. As i said, I'd limit it to round matching rather than place matching but it'd also give value to teams with eond of round picks in trading that doesn't really exist now

 

[Arr0w]

If it's the latter it'll be tough for clubs who have players bidded on early and dont have early picks. Trading up in the first round requires way overs and at times isn't even possible. Don't like it.

Needing a same round pick is pretty broad. What happens if a player is bidded on with pick 17 and you have already used your first round pick?

Simpler way would just be to:
A) Adjust the points values of picks to weight earlier picks slightly higher (has the same impact as the above 2 options but less complicated)
B) Remove the discount
C) Cap the amount of academy bids that can be matched in round 1 regardless of ladder position

In addition, as a compromise for clubs that dont have northern academies let clubs match next gen academy academy bids outside pick 20 (rather then 40).

If it was me, the starting point would be to remove the discount on academy, F/S and NGA (NGA should have similar access to the other 2)

 

[marcmurphy3]

i don't have a problem with that, three first round rated players but you can only 'find' two first round picks?

you only get two of them then. As i said, I'd limit it to round matching rather than place matching but it'd also give value to teams with eond of round picks in trading that doesn't really exist now

The problem with the same round philosophy is:
A) you don't know where a bid will come (what if you have pick 10, use it, then a bid comes at 17)
B) it treats all 1st rounders the same (e.g. it's OK to say you need 2 1st rounders to match bids at 3 & 5 but doesn't really make sense if those bids are at 16 & 18)

 

[GalaxyBlue]

We’ll have a father-daughter selection in this year’s AFLW Draft:

Carlton is also set to be among the biggest beneficiaries of the father-daughter nominations and will win access to Dandenong Stingrays mid-forward Meg Robertson, with her father Ben playing three games for the Blues in 1992.

Talented mid heading to Geelong under father-daughter rules

The list of father-daughter prospects has been named ahead of December's AFLW draft

www.afl.com.au

(F/D selections only have a one-game requirement)

 

[ferrisb]

Ben Campo listed in Zero Hanger's best prospects for 2024

The EIGHT best AFL Draft prospects for 2024

Academy and father-son prospects are set to feature among the top end next year as well.

www.zerohanger.com

Ben flexed his inside-outside versatility in more of a wing role at the Future Stars game that saw him collect a game-high 30 disposals for Team Naitanui, as well as eight marks, eight rebound 50s and five inside 50s to be named best-afield.

Is able to play at the coalface and has shown an expansive range of skills for Glenelg this year on his way to averaging 25.3 disposals, 5.4 marks, 3.9 clearances, 4.1 inside 50s and 3.3 tackles from his 13 games in the U18s this year.

Both Ben and Lucas will train with Carlton during the summer before commitments with the AFL Academy, Glenelg and South Australia.

 

[coryne]

Ben Campo listed in Zero Hanger's best prospects for 2024

The EIGHT best AFL Draft prospects for 2024

Academy and father-son prospects are set to feature among the top end next year as well.

www.zerohanger.com

So a big summer training with the club before he has some "issues" which keep him out of representative football for the year ???

 

[Coona Blues]

We’ll have a father-daughter selection in this year’s AFLW Draft:

Talented mid heading to Geelong under father-daughter rules

The list of father-daughter prospects has been named ahead of December's AFLW draft

www.afl.com.au

(F/D selections only have a one-game requirement)

Sounds good. We will get a star the following year (McKay)

 

[Coops93]

Ben Campo listed in Zero Hanger's best prospects for 2024

The EIGHT best AFL Draft prospects for 2024

Academy and father-son prospects are set to feature among the top end next year as well.

www.zerohanger.com

The more I read on Ben the more it seems he has a very broad range of skills and abilities. Can play inside mid, outside mid, wing or half back flank.

I just hope he's given a specialised position instead of being a jack of all. It wouldn't be the first time someone with a versatile positioning ability be thrown around wherever required and the individual doesn't quite become an expert at any 1.

One that comes to mind for me is Jack Martin. The Suns threw him all over the park week on week depending on opposition or game situation. He had the talent to play any position on the field bar ruck and the Suns just about played him in as many positions. Unfortunately, despite the talent he never developed a complete role and never reached his potential.


Lucas it seems has settled into a wingman/HBF position which is perfectly fine, young HBFs are something of a need in the next couple years.

 

[ferrisb]

So a big summer training with the club before he has some "issues" which keep him out of representative football for the year ???

 

[marcmurphy3]

The more I read on Ben the more it seems he has a very broad range of skills and abilities. Can play inside mid, outside mid, wing or half back flank.

I just hope he's given a specialised position instead of being a jack of all. It wouldn't be the first time someone with a versatile positioning ability be thrown around wherever required and the individual doesn't quite become an expert at any 1.

One that comes to mind for me is Jack Martin. The Suns threw him all over the park week on week depending on opposition or game situation. He had the talent to play any position on the field bar ruck and the Suns just about played him in as many positions. Unfortunately, despite the talent he never developed a complete role and never reached his potential.


Lucas it seems has settled into a wingman/HBF position which is perfectly fine, young HBFs are something of a need in the next couple years.

Don't think it will be a problem. Ben hasn't been thrown around that much. Exclusively an onballer the 2nd half of the season and rotated between onball / wing in the futures game. Will be an onballer next year.

Lucas I find more interesting. Has played wing alot but think he is more suited to half back at AFL level. Will be interesting where they place him next year.

 

[Juice030103]

Ben’s gonna be a star you can just feel it

 

[Coops93]

Don't think it will be a problem. Ben hasn't been thrown around that much. Exclusively an onballer the 2nd half of the season and rotated between onball / wing in the futures game. Will be an onballer next year.

Lucas I find more interesting. Has played wing alot but think he is more suited to half back at AFL level. Will be interesting where they place him next year.

It's not a strong concern more just a caution. I think he'll be fairly settled as onballer.