List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

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Think the Pies salary cap is fairly tight SB, not sure they have a war chest, players they have moved on this trade period have only just released enough pressure cap wise for the now...
I have no clue on how much we might have but i would quess with maybe with Murph Betts retirements a few others delisted we might have enough for one more very good player...
A lot depends on our own 3-6yrs players stepping up, has a big impact on who we pursue...
They've just freed up about $2m from next year and although not as much beyond that they can pull forward that $2m back into next year from other contracts.
 
Quite possibly our chances for a FA next year have diminished with the sliding doors moment which was Treloar.
Collingwood have a pretty good war chest now so we'll at least have to outbid them for any targets, let alone the other challenges.

Yes, and no. Greater competition but it’ll be the club that pitches the right long term home for whatever is driving the FA’s switch that should win the signature.
 

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It’s their athletic package and foot skills you rarely get with players at 200cm plus on top of being very good footballers...
They possess excellent speed and agility for players of their size, they both are superb kicks particularly Cox who kicks both feet...
Agreed, Cox in particular looks to have a great mix of attributes. Was more just nit picking at the use of the term.
 
I would acquire a DFA KPD, as pure insurance, I don't care about the name.

Take a ruck/forward and one of Winder, Durdin/Mitchell

I would leave a spot free for the mid season draft
I realise he’s consistently inconsistent,but I’m beginning to think we should have used a later pick and nabbed McKernan for insurance. Covered ruck and fwd line
 
I realise he’s consistently inconsistent,but I’m beginning to think we should have used a later pick and nabbed McKernan for insurance. Covered ruck and fwd line
Very ordinary footballer. That's why he's only accrued 87 games by age 30.
 
I realise he’s consistently inconsistent,but I’m beginning to think we should have used a later pick and nabbed McKernan for insurance. Covered ruck and fwd line

No. He's a woeful footballer.

Essendon get a pass mark this off-season from me purely for having parted ways with him.
 
Did my first armchair analysis of the top end draft prospects today watching YouTube highlights along with my limited viewing of their bottom age footy previously. My takes:

JUH is by far and away the best talent with huge scope and would be 100% pick 1 in an open draft. It’s a travesty that a top 8 side gets access to a player like this. The AFL is a joke.

Hollands and McDonald should be selected by Crows/North depending on preferences.

Would be shocked if the Swans passed on Grainger-Barass which leaves the Hawks most likely with Thilthorpe or whoever drops out of that bunch. Standout top 5 in my opinion. Thilthorpe is a weird prospect, I feel like he has great attributes but he also looks like a lumbering ruck type.

Phillips has great skills but I have my doubts as to whether he will excel at AFL level due to his size and style of play. No doubt will be a handy player and may fit in nicely at Gold Coast with his Oakleigh Charger mates Rowell and Anderson.

Bombers will get the next three picks which I can see being Perkins, Reid and one of Bruhn/Macrae/Henry. The latter three we probably traded away a chance at getting which I’m not overly concerned about given our stocks.

Cox looks a good prospect but I feel that he will slide into the teens at least. Just too raw and will take at least 3 years to be ready for AFL which is a big investment considering the list size cuts.

Bring on Pick 38!
Cox certainly imo has the xfactor but i completely agree with you rating Reid so high, i think he has a far greater natural defensive qualities from the footage I’ve seen... Perkins is a beauty and one i rate really highly as well...
 
Quite possibly our chances for a FA next year have diminished with the sliding doors moment which was Treloar.
Collingwood have a pretty good war chest now so we'll at least have to outbid them for any targets, let alone the other challenges.

Who would you be thinking of? I can't see many of the elite players wanting to leave from their respective clubs, let alone to go to Collingwood after that debacle.

Only ones you would think would be Kelly or Parker that might be a chance. Would be very keen on Kelly, but he'd want at least 800-900k+.

Can't see Billings, Bontempelli etc leaving.

Dodoro would almost certainly match and would want 2 first rounders, one top 10, which seems very steep for Merrett.
 
Cox certainly imo has the xfactor but i completely agree with you rating Reid so high, i think he has a far greater natural defensive qualities from the footage I’ve seen... Perkins is a beauty and one i rate really highly as well...
Perkins I really like the look of. Just a natural footballer. Will be annoying if he ends up at the Dons. Is decent size too at 188 cm.

Reid is an interesting one. I don’t particularly rate him that highly when comparing to KPDs taken top 10 in other years but he’s the best KPP available at that point and Essendon won’t draft three straight midfielders. Reid would be seen as a long term replacement for Hooker and Hurley who are cooked. It’s an obvious pick in my opinion.

Cox could be anything. Has the athletic traits like a Balta without the muscle and will probably end up a better player. I just can’t see teams in the top 10 spending a premium draft pick plus 3-5 years of development on a reduced list for little immediate return and no guarantees. It’s a huge risk in my opinion despite how well he projects as a player.
 

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Quite possibly our chances for a FA next year have diminished with the sliding doors moment which was Treloar.
Collingwood have a pretty good war chest now so we'll at least have to outbid them for any targets, let alone the other challenges.
Why?

If a player agent comes to you and says 'Collingwood is offering X, can you offer X+1?' you respond with, 'Does your player actually want to go to Collingwood, regardless of the money offered? Can they trust Collingwood to pay them X, after what they did to Treloar? Why should we match Collingwood, if your player isn't actually considering them?'

If they want to play games and try to use Collingwood to bid their player up, why participate in that? You make your offer at where you are willing to pay, and if they try to 'but Collingwood' you, you simply laugh and inform them that their player is welcome to go to Collingwood and not get paid what is proposed.
 
Perkins I really like the look of. Just a natural footballer. Will be annoying if he ends up at the Dons. Is decent size too at 188 cm.

Reid is an interesting one. I don’t particularly rate him that highly when comparing to KPDs taken top 10 in other years but he’s the best KPP available at that point and Essendon won’t draft three straight midfielders. Reid would be seen as a long term replacement for Hooker and Hurley who are cooked. It’s an obvious pick in my opinion.

Cox could be anything. Has the athletic traits like a Balta without the muscle and will probably end up a better player. I just can’t see teams in the top 10 spending a premium draft pick plus 3-5 years of development on a reduced list for little immediate return and no guarantees. It’s a huge risk in my opinion despite how well he projects as a player.
Unfortunately they have Brand 195cm KPD and Eyre 197cm KPF as NGA’s likely going in the 30’s, so maybe Tanner Reid Perkins would be the best three apparently they are heavily into Ports Jones too...

Cox probably doesn’t get past Filth’s first pick they have no KPP’s at all they desperately need to at least start developing one...

Hard too project how much a player missing their entire draft year how far they would have come on, agree Perkins very natural, I’d say if the other two had the chance of playing and developing it may have made a huge difference
 
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No. He's a woeful footballer.

Essendon get a pass mark this off-season from me purely for having parted ways with him.
So woeful he’s just gone to his 3rd AFL club ahead of any potential mature aged VFL recruit who could do the job. Still, you know best... 👍😂
 
Levi will have to play forward with Charlie out, even so, if two of Jones, Weitering Levi go down, kiss goodbye to finals

You can still draft a young tall and take a DFA
KPF depth chart: Charlie, McKay, Casboult, Kemp, TDK, McGovern, JSOS, Cripps, Weitering, Jones
KPD depth chart: Weitering, Jones, Casboult, Kemp, Marchbank, Plowman, McGovern, Silvagni
Ruck depth: TDK, Pittonet, Casboult, Jones, Cripps, Kemp, JSOS

I think we're ok to skip out on key position depth unless something really good comes up. I wanted to keep Macreadie on talent, but that list is more than survivable. Ruck depth is the most vulnerable, but we wouldn't be the only club with only 2 dedicated rucks.

Happy for us to swing at tall talent like has been suggested above. Would also like Eddie Ford with our first pick even though he's not strictly a small forward.
 
KPF depth chart: Charlie, McKay, Casboult, Kemp, TDK, McGovern, JSOS, Cripps, Weitering, Jones
KPD depth chart: Weitering, Jones, Casboult, Kemp, Marchbank, Plowman, McGovern, Silvagni
Ruck depth: TDK, Pittonet, Casboult, Jones, Cripps, Kemp, JSOS

I think we're ok to skip out on key position depth unless something really good comes up. I wanted to keep Macreadie on talent, but that list is more than survivable. Ruck depth is the most vulnerable, but we wouldn't be the only club with only 2 dedicated rucks.

Happy for us to swing at tall talent like has been suggested above. Would also like Eddie Ford with our first pick even though he's not strictly a small forward.

Sorry Jim, you can manufacture different types as a forward setup, but you can't manufacture KPD's with undersized players/lack of body strength/slow off the mark

We only have 3 KPD options on the list, Levi, Jones Weitering, 2 of which are 30+. Kemp at a pinch, given he has grown and has speed, but that would be a terrible waste of talent

Marchbank doesn't have the body strength, nor does Gov

Jack has strength, but lacks that yard off a lead and doesn't have a leap

Plow would also get manhandled by the bigger forwards

We need to address short and long term options quickly
 
Depends who we are looking at. If we take a mature age player ( expecting at least 1) then short term they could be part of our best 22

I like that idea. Shorten the odds. Bring in a contributor. It’s all Moneyball after all. Unless we’re looking at wild upside, grab a guy who ‘gets on base’.

Last 10 Pick 38’s...

2019: Nick Bryan
2018: Irving Mosquito
2017: Jack Petruccelle
2016: Sean Darcy
2015: Harley Balic
2014: Jack Hiscox
2013: Dayle Garlett
2012: Jackson Ramsey
2011: Jordan Kelly
2010: Ryan Lester
 
I like that idea. Shorten the odds. Bring in a contributor. It’s all Moneyball after all. Unless we’re looking at wild upside, grab a guy who ‘gets on base’.

Last 10 Pick 38’s...

2019: Nick Bryan
2018: Irving Mosquito
2017: Jack Petruccelle
2016: Sean Darcy
2015: Harley Balic
2014: Jack Hiscox
2013: Dayle Garlett
2012: Jackson Ramsey
2011: Jordan Kelly
2010: Ryan Lester

Most of those weren't mature age, as well as players still on the board after that pick
 
So woeful he’s just gone to his 3rd AFL club ahead of any potential mature aged VFL recruit who could do the job. Still, you know best... 👍😂

You're not related to him are you?

He's just gone to his third club but I'm not sure that demonstrates his quality.

He was just let go by the Bombers who enter 2021 with who as their tall forwards?

The guy is 30 years old and has spent 11 years in the system for 87 games and 72 goals. He's a bog ordinary footballer at best who plays one good game every 20 odd and then disappears completely. Not for patches. Not just for games either. But for months.

Sorry but the guy is no good. And I'm not sure why you're bringing VFL players into the discussion but yeah I'd rather we look there for someone if need be. In fact I'd rather go with an empty list spot than bring in McKernan.

He offers nothing. Maybe you saw him in that one game though where he dominated and you're extrapolating from that?
 

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