Official Club Stuff CFC President thread - BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately

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So now we start with personal attacks?

I just don't get why people are drawn heavily in one direction without any inside knowledge of the facts
Yeh let's not play the victim here.

You didn't exactly respond to his points. Imo you minimised, mischaracterized and misquoted his argument. Ignoring the evidence clearly provided to you could most certainly be characterized as having your "head in the sand". Not a personal attack, just a saying that paints a condescending picture based on what can be perceived as a condescending response.

And as yet nothing has been proven


Not unusual for a president or board member to have their tenure extended



Strong leaders don't react to so called enemies or white noise

If an organisation, especially with the likes of Cook support Sayers during this time and or moving forward to lead the club, I'd say insiders have a better grasp to make that decision rather than the masses who are merely speculating
Nothing has been proven doesn't mean it won't be proven. The allegations alone should be cause for serious concern.

I would say it is unusual and audacious to request for an extension while the cloud of internal and external corruption enquiries hang over your head. Not to mention when former employees begin launching a class action lawsuit against you...

I would say the aforementioned investigations aren't exactly "white noise" or the act of "enemies" either...

I agree with you last point though, if insiders are backing him then I feel more comfortable with his re-appointment also.

My point of view is leaning towards non-reappointment but I'm not as sure as I previously was (based on some of yours and some other posters arguments here also).

What is more old Carlton though?

a) Keeping president who's conduct is at the very least unethical or at the very worst blatantly corrupt?
or
b) Not re-appointing (aka "sacking") a Carlton leader as soon as increased member/media pressure is applied?

Lastly I think there is a misnomer applied to posters who don't want to see him re-appointed. They're seen as people who want to proverbially rattle the cage while we are in a premiership window. I think based on the well articulated arguments provided by posters such as Blue and Silver we can stop with that commentary also (that's not aimed at you personally, just other posters on your side of the debate).

PS. Enjoy your work in general good sir.
 
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Yeh let's not play the victim here.

You didn't exactly respond to his points. Imo you minimised, mischaracterized and misquoted his argument. Ignoring the evidence clearly provided to you could most certainly be characterized as having your "head in the sand". Not a personal attack, just a saying that paints a condescending picture based on what can be perceived as a condescending response.


Nothing has been proven doesn't mean it won't be proven. The allegations alone should be cause for serious concern.

I would say it is unusual and audacious to request for an extension while the cloud of internal and external corruption enquiries hang over your head. Not to mention when former employees begin launching a class action lawsuit against you...

I would say the aforementioned investigations aren't exactly "white noise" or the act of "enemies" either...

I agree with you last point though, if insiders are backing him then I feel more comfortable with his re-appointment also.

My point of view is leaning towards non-reappointment but I'm not as sure as I previously was (based on some of yours and some other posters arguments here also).

What is more old Carlton though?

a) Keeping a president with who's conduct is at the very least unethical or at the very worst blatantly corrupt?
or
b) Not re-appointing (aka "sacking") a Carlton leader as soon as increased member/media pressure is applied?

Lastly I think there is a misnomer applied to posters who don't want to see him re-appointed. They're seen as people who want to proverbially rattle the cage while we are in a premiership window. I think based on the well articulated arguments provided by posters such as Blue and Silver we can stop with that commentary also (that's not aimed at you personally, just other posters on your side of the debate).

PS. Enjoy your work in general good sir.

I believe there is always too much emphasis placed on one person to attribute success or failure within an organisation

As I posted at the very beginning, no high-end leader is a cleanskin, but I agree there are always different degrees of concern

If the club, which I believe would be heavily guided by an extremely successful operator in Cook, decides to retain or extend Sayers, then I don't see an issue with it

If Sayers departs, even mid season, I don't think it would have a negative impact on or off the field in terms of likely success or progression

Let's not forget, midseason the vast majority of people here wanted heads to roll.

Sayers, Cook, Voss, assistants, Russell and or a brutal cut of our list, for a perceived lack of long term improvement, due to short term phases.

Even by many today, who have been glowing of all things club, yet were part of that Lynch mob in one way or another

So for me, I have never been inclined in jumping at shadows or overreacting until I see a greater pattern or firm evidence

If peopl believe I should show more outrage or I have my head in the sand, then they are misguided
 
PWC has opened an ethics investigation (heh, thats rich coming from them) into Sayers, he should not be granted the extra year as club president by members at the upcoming AGM, unfortunately he will most likely get it given nobody votes in these things.



Ethics, is that even a thing anymore?
 
But yeah let's focus on Sayers as being emblematic of all that is wrong with stuff and let us pretend that PWC hasn't been 'put up' to conduct some BS years after the facts "ethics investigation"...by the same cabal of landlords who want to point fingers away from themselves...

Lolworthy stuff.






*Mod edit: No Politics
 
you said cabal.........


Hard not to laugh at the declarations of Sayers "must go" - it is as if people have never read Orwell's 1984 or Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" - once upon a time compulsory reading in most schools.

This is the Carlton Forum and one would expect some sort of respect since Carlton respects ( apparently) - and yet, still at every opportunity some want (yet another) coach sacked or (yet another) President kicked out...

I guess one can sum up the whole idea as having being made clear- in the 'he who has not sinned can throw the first stone' - but maybe ( for those who have even bothered to read that book) - this reference, may transgress by being too 'religious'.

Lets 'respect' - but only those who we are told to respect when we are told to respect and make sure tht there is a buck in it.
 
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Just a little on this.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.
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Today's email ...


Yes Cook & Vossy :thumbsu:



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Dear Aph,

It is with absolute pleasure that I write to you today with terrific news, one that further solidifies the stability and strength of our great football club.

We are proud to announce that club CEO Brian Cook and AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss will both continue to lead the Carlton Football Club beyond 2024.

Arguably Australia’s best sporting administrator, Brian has committed to continue in his role as Chief Executive Officer until at least the end of 2025, while Michael has re-signed as the Club’s AFL Senior Coach for a further two seasons, taking him until at least the end of 2026.


It is yet another significant show of unity, with two of the football club’s most senior figures collectively pledging their commitment to our club on the eve of the 2024 AFL season.

It is fitting they make this commitment in unison, as it adds another layer of sound leadership that has become a hallmark of this Club since their arrival at IKON Park just over two years ago.

The Carlton Football Club has never been more united in who we are and what we stand for, Brian and Michael have been pivotal in establishing that.

It is not too much to say that two years ago our football club needed to rebuild its identity. Fast forward to now and Carlton has a genuine strength in numbers, our vision never clearer and our hunger to earn success greater than ever.

Brian has brought immeasurable experience, calmness, clarity and values-based leadership to the Carlton Football Club. He is genuine in his relationships across all areas of the football club, and deeply cares for and understands that our people are central to what makes Carlton – as well as having incredible business acumen which has our club well on its way to sustainable, off-field success.

With the Club now entering the third year of its five-year strategic plan, Brian will be central to the delivery of the Blues’ off-field strategic objectives, while continuing to have clear oversight and provide strong support to the football department.

Michael Voss is made to coach the Carlton Football Club – a coach of great intellect, who inspires those around him and every Carlton person to not just hope, but believe in what is possible if we remain committed and true to who we are, together.

In Michael’s first two years at the helm, we surpassed significant milestones of progression. His first season saw the Club achieve its most wins in a season since 2011, which was backed up in 2023 by a home-and-away finish of fifth, the Club’s highest since 2011 and first preliminary final appearance since 2000.

Over this period our game style has continued to evolve, with the motivation to stand up on the biggest stage and against the competition’s best. Along with our two finals wins last year, we defeated six of the other seven 2023 AFL finalists – laying a strong on-field foundation for us to build from.

Great organisations are built around the quality of their people and they do not come any better than our CEO and AFL Senior Coach.

Stronger Together has become more than just a slogan for this football club, it is our mindset. As I touched on late last year, it will define us in 2024.

That mindset is driven by our CEO and AFL Senior Coach but rest assured it is brought to life by each and every Carlton person, including you, Aph.

Thank you again for the role you play in that, it will be so important for us heading into this season.

While this year certainly comes with no guarantees, our club now steps into the 2024 campaign with an incredible strength in numbers, stable leadership and a fierce determination to handle any challenge that comes our way as one, united football club.

Thank you.​
Luke Sayers
President

Member ID: 2908822​
 

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Great to see Cook extend, especially when the talk at the time of his announcement was that it was only a 2 yr stint in a "fix it up and get it ready for the new person" sort of job. Makes me think he's seen something here that he wants to continue to be part of.

I also like the Voss extension and like that we stuck with a 2 yr extension instead of going in on the modern idea of going 3 or 4 yrs. 2 is short enough that if the wheels fall off we're not stuck, but still long enough that he has plenty of time to continue his work without anxiety.

Good news all round :thumbsu:
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Cook is on a rolling 1 year contract over the next few years, given he came out of retirement to take this job, and if we happen to win a flag this year he can retire as his job is done.
Rolling contract makes sense, but I'm not sure he'd retire if we won the flag this year.
He's committed to end of 2025 (at least) and he doesn't strike me as the kind of person to walk back a commitment.
Also, I think his job/legacy is to re-establish CFC as one of the strongest clubs in the country, across all metrics.
Winning a flag would be amazing but that's just one, albeit big, piece of the puzzle.
I think his legacy won't just be that he was CEO at West Coast, Geelong and (hopefully) Carlton when they won flags when he retires. It'll be that he built incredibly strong clubs three times.
Let him retire on a threepeat.
 

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