Preview Changes and Prematch Discussion: Round 12 - the Western Bulldogs

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I completely disagree with the rising tide of discontent against Blair - the guy is super competitive, he is one of only four at the club with more than 4 tackles per game - against a fairly strong Doggies on ball rotation we would appear rather limp wristed without his services!

Make no mistake it isnt by chance that Sydney and Freo are top four contenders, whilst leading the way in tackles! We dont have the foot skills of the likes of Geelong and Hawthorn so our way to the top must be through hard work.

Blair - not only is he strong around the contests he has an eye for a goal - 9 to date puts him 5th at the club with Dwyer.

So i'm reading that people want to drop our 2nd best tackler and 5th best offensive weapon? Not only that he finds the ball 17 times per game that ranks him 10th.

I just dont get why we would drop a bloke with these numbers - not at all!

can someone here please explain why a slight dip in form over the last two weeks equals being dropped? Who will replace his effort?

I would advocate keeping the likes of Martin and Kennedy in the side - they are just starting to get the feel of things and look to be great prospects, i would love to see Elliott and Dwyer back also.

Marley Williams and Seedsman - we need to persevre here they are also showing plenty.

Witts is not upto it from what i've seen.

Sinclair is very borderline and Oxley - who knows didnt get much of a crack.

I think our mosquito fleet are showing very good signs - Elliott, Blair, Dwyer, Martin, Kennedy, J. Thomas and Williams all bring positive attributes and look set to make the grade - keep playing them i say!

I would love to see the Sack back soon.
 
Caff goes to Libba for mine.

Libba is the Bulldogs Luke Ball he's just crucial to their midfield and when he's playing well they look so much better. It always makes me wonder why clubs dont tag Bally more often because hes the one that allows Swan and Pendles to be the players they are and the Bulldogs similarly rely on Libba.

That's not to mention the fact that Griffen is in such good form ATM that he could put up 25-30 even with a tag.
 

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Caff goes to Libba for mine.

Libba is the Bulldogs Luke Ball he's just crucial to their midfield and when he's playing well they look so much better. It always makes me wonder why clubs dont tag Bally more often because hes the one that allows Swan and Pendles to be the players they are and the Bulldogs similarly rely on Libba.

That's not to mention the fact that Griffen is in such good form ATM that he could put up 25-30 even with a tag.

Very hard to tag guys that are the burrowing in & under types. How many taggers would be as eager to get under packs & try to fight Bally for possession? It's much easier to assign run with roles to guys who run with the footy & play more outside games. For Bally they will prefer to go toe to toe with Libba & Boyd. They will tag either Pendles or Swan. Perhaps both as they have more than one tagger in the team. I agree with the Caff to Griffen call.
 
I completely disagree with the rising tide of discontent against Blair - the guy is super competitive, he is one of only four at the club with more than 4 tackles per game - against a fairly strong Doggies on ball rotation we would appear rather limp wristed without his services!

Make no mistake it isnt by chance that Sydney and Freo are top four contenders by fluke, whilst leading the way in tackles! We dont have the foot skills of the likes of Geelong and Hawthorn so our way to the top must be through hard work.

Blair - not only is he strong around the contests he has an eye for a goal - 9 to date puts him 5th at the club with Dwyer.

So i'm reading that people want to drop our 2nd best tackler and 5th best offensive weapon? Not only that he finds the ball 17 times per game that ranks him 10th.

I just dont get why we would drop a bloke with these numbers - not at all!

can someone here please explain why a slight dip in form over the last two weeks equals being dropped? Who will replace his effort?

I would advocate keeping the likes of Martin and Kennedy in the side - they are just starting to get the feel of things and look to be great prospects, i would love to see Elliott and Dwyer back also.

Marley Williams and Seedsman - we need to persevre here they are also showing plenty.

Witts is not upto it from what i've seen.

Sinclair is very borderline and Oxley - who knows didnt get much of a crack.

I think our mosquito fleet are showing very good signs - Elliott, Blair, Dwyer, Martin, Kennedy and Williams all bring positive attributes and look set to make the grade - keep playing them i say!

I would love to see the Sack back soon.

I'm not a Blair fan, but can't argue with a word you said about him. With such a young group of light players, in the short term, we need his hardness at the footy and the man. Dropping him would take away the advantage of having Ball back.

My disappointment with Blair is the fact that he hasn't developed his ability to spread and get the ball on the outside, which is a real shame as he's generally a pretty neat kick when in space. Is it to do with endurance or a lack of game awareness? Perhaps, due to his shortness a lot of focus has been on building core strength with not enough focus on increasing endurance. Either way it's disappointing. Sydney are the best midfield around because they are extremely organised and have a core of about 8 guys who are all hard at it inside ball winners who tackle well, yet all have excellent endurance and thus spread and use the ball well.

In the long term, Blair has to develop his ability to spread and be effective on the outside, or he should be phased out.
 
Can't believe people want to drop Seedsman after 1 ordinary game in an 80+ point win. He's been generally good all year and came of a very good game the previous week. It would be silly to drop him, halt him momentum and dent his confidence. I think he should get a rest at some point given his age but lets keep encouraging him for now.

I wouldn't be rushing to make many chages at all. I wouldn't rucs Krakouer back.

Maybe Dwyer if available for Sinclair. Oxley didn't like he was up to it yet but happy enough to give him another game. He could go out for Elliot is ok but if there is any doubt give him another week off.
 
Great post Lozza

It was a couple of games ago, read stats Blair had 32 desperate acts.

Next highest on the ground was 19.

Reckon the coaches would love that and you'd be shocked if he got dropped IMO

Same reasoning why Sinclair is given games where most think another player may have got the nod.

Perhaps their presence allows the luxury of playing a Didak or Krak for their finishing ability?

Hoping for minimal changes to allow team to settle a bit.
 
I completely disagree with the rising tide of discontent against Blair - the guy is super competitive, he is one of only four at the club with more than 4 tackles per game - against a fairly strong Doggies on ball rotation we would appear rather limp wristed without his services!

Make no mistake it isnt by chance that Sydney and Freo are top four contenders, whilst leading the way in tackles! We dont have the foot skills of the likes of Geelong and Hawthorn so our way to the top must be through hard work.

Blair - not only is he strong around the contests he has an eye for a goal - 9 to date puts him 5th at the club with Dwyer.

So i'm reading that people want to drop our 2nd best tackler and 5th best offensive weapon? Not only that he finds the ball 17 times per game that ranks him 10th.
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I rate Blair and I think he gives it his all but I think he will be forced out due to the number of handy midfielders who play simlar role to him forcing there way in. Now that Ball is back in he hasn't been as effective, similar to Beams last year only became the AA Midfeilder when Ball left, before that he was serviceable

When Luke Ball was out he was playing more time in that sort of role, also without argument I would say once Beams comes back in he will be behind both of them.

Looking at a few of the players averages (who I would consider he is fighting for spots with) - I haven't included Swan, Pendles or Sidebottom

Player - Disp / Cont Possessions / Tackles / Inside 50s / Goals
Ball - 24.2 / 9.7 / 7 / 4 / 0
Blair - 17.5 / 8.3 / 5.8 / 2.3 / 0.8
Dywer - 17.2 / 5.7 / 1.6 / 2.8 / 1
Martin - 16 / 7.5 / 4.5 / 2.5 / 2.5
Kennedy - 11.8 / 5.7 / 2.2 / 1.8 / 1
Macaffer - 14.9 / 4.1 / 4.3 / 2.8 / 0.2

I think stats would show he is behind Ball in tackles, contested possession. Then compare him to Dywer, They get the same amount while Dwyer on average kicks more goals and more inside 50s. While Blair has more tackles and conested possession
Martin states are a bit scewed with 2 games against ordinary opposition, but you can only be as good as those your playing at.
Kennedy also slightly scewed with starting as sub, I dont think he will be in the final side come finals time.
Macaffer while he plays that tagging role and can offer some versatility will stay.

Once Beams is back it means less time in the middle and more in forward line where he is also competing against Elliot, Krak, Didak, Goldsack.

I hope he proves me wrong, because that means he is keeping some pretty handy players out and we will be travelling well hopefully with limited injuries
 
Can't believe people want to drop Seedsman after 1 ordinary game in an 80+ point win. He's been generally good all year and came of a very good game the previous week. It would be silly to drop him, halt him momentum and dent his confidence. I think he should get a rest at some point given his age but lets keep encouraging him for now.

I wouldn't be rushing to make many chages at all. I wouldn't rucs Krakouer back.

Maybe Dwyer if available for Sinclair. Oxley didn't like he was up to it yet but happy enough to give him another game. He could go out for Elliot is ok but if there is any doubt give him another week off.

Agree, though he was poor. I'm sure he would have been told that he needs better awareness when he gets to top speed.
 
Agree, though he was poor. I'm sure he would have been told that he needs better awareness when he gets to top speed.
While I do agree, it has fustrated me all year how many player have been caught. It doesn't happen nearly as much when team mates tell each other they are hot. We seem to lack talk on field.
 
One of our best against Sydney and good against Geelong...maybe you should go back to the Essendon board
way to prove my point.. so you're a fan and the best you can say half way through the season is he was one of our best against sydney ... yeah because the rest of your guys were abysmal that day...didn't have to play well exactly to be in the best in that game... and didn't notice he was "good" against Geelong. And does that make up for the other 5 games where he was clearly the worst player on the park??.
You can't be a defender if you can't defend in the air... period! He sh@ts his pants every time he is one on one and the balls in the air...
 

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Very hard to tag guys that are the burrowing in & under types. How many taggers would be as eager to get under packs & try to fight Bally for possession? It's much easier to assign run with roles to guys who run with the footy & play more outside games. For Bally they will prefer to go toe to toe with Libba & Boyd. They will tag either Pendles or Swan. Perhaps both as they have more than one tagger in the team. I agree with the Caff to Griffen call.

IMO they're the easiest to tag. The reason you just don't see it as often is because taggers just automatically go to the stars instead of the essential cogs in the chain.

Cameron Ling was the master at using his body to influence the player being tagged and the problem with getting so close to packs is that it's very easy to overcommit to the contest. Nudging a player under the ball while the ruckman are competing is so easy in today's game and a lot easier against Ball than Swan or Pendles.

He doesn't win a heap of the ball on the outside so if you take away his effectiveness on the inside it practically halves the ball that he wins (when combining outside with inside) and all of a sudden both Pendles and Swan become less effective.
 
Ins: Krac-Dwyer-Witts

Outs: Jolly(rest) Sinclair-Oxley

Good chance to give jolly a rest here, Dwyer the sub.
 
Ins: Krac-Dwyer-Witts

Outs: Jolly(rest) Sinclair-Oxley

Good chance to give jolly a rest here, Dwyer the sub.


i think it sends a really poor message to the team to bring in someone who just missed a week of training.

Bucks has already said krak will play VFL anyway for memory
 
i think it sends a really poor message to the team to bring in someone who just missed a week of training.

Bucks has already said krak will play VFL anyway for memory

All depends why, obviously the club was happy for him to have the week off, no need to play hard ball IMO.
 
What kind of message does it send to the young kids. Take a week off and you'll just walk straight back into the team?

Make him play 1 VFL game first

It tells them that if you have family issues the club will support you 100%, if he's trained well this week he should play IMO, i think we all know he wont though.
 
Sinclair is a very ordinary footballer.. no argument there ... but he is no Russell!
way to prove my point.. so you're a fan and the best you can say half way through the season is he was one of our best against sydney ... yeah because the rest of your guys were abysmal that day...didn't have to play well exactly to be in the best in that game... and didn't notice he was "good" against Geelong. And does that make up for the other 5 games where he was clearly the worst player on the park??.
You can't be a defender if you can't defend in the air... period! He sh@ts his pants every time he is one on one and the balls in the air...

You are obviously not an essendon supporter. 17 posts of pure bs. You should be banished.
 
Would not surprise if Harry O'Brien was rested for this match. Was not at training out on the track, even Fasolo turned up for a bit on his crutches to take a look.
 
Would not surprise if Harry O'Brien was rested for this match. Was not at training out on the track, even Fasolo turned up for a bit on his crutches to take a look.


Harry O deserves a rest but with the bye 1 week away it would be a tad strange unless he has a minor injury
 
Harry O deserves a rest but with the bye 1 week away it would be a tad strange unless he has a minor injury


Some players with a Round 11 bye were restd in Round 10, same with Round 12 bye players in Round 11.

That extra weeks rest considering they play Doggies, will benefit him and the Pies heading into the finals.
 

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