Preview Changes and prematch discussion vs Carlton

[El Capuano]

Didn't we offer a contract to him last year and he said no? Isn't he out of contract at seasons end and we can't trade him anyway? We offer him a contract now - today - or he can feck off. We paid huge for CCJ so we should give him the rest of the year to find form and get him ready for next year. What happens if Goldy retires or leaves and X decides he wants to go to the Saints like last year (they will have a spot for him). We need to put games into CCJ now because he or X is our ruck combo or CCJ will be all we have.

I was thinking compensation if he does leave, if he shows enough signs - a young promising ruckman could net a decent return? Tbh though I don't fully grasp free agency rules haha so anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah I agree with you - we're in a tricky spot now having 3 ruckmen needing game time.
If Noble is seriously set on this 2 ruck thing, imo I would rather be pumping games into X/CCJ until it's clear they need a run in the 2s. Feel for Goldy though, he's still our best ruck.

 

[The Dingrel]

Just one change required......regardless of fitness, health, injury etc....Polec comes in to tag Cripps.....

......and before the simpletons start, I am being facetious.

 

[spurs]

I was thinking compensation if he does leave, if he shows enough signs - a young promising ruckman could net a decent return? Tbh though I don't fully grasp free agency rules haha so anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah I agree with you - we're in a tricky spot now having 3 ruckmen needing game time.
If Noble is seriously set on this 2 ruck thing, imo I would rather be pumping games into X/CCJ until it's clear they need a run in the 2s. Feel for Goldy though, he's still our best ruck.

Do we get a draft pick/compensation if he's out of contract? If he plays and doesn't sign with us, then we've given another club a one year learning curve at no charge.

 

[Psicosis]

We lost last week at selection. A back 6 of Scott, Young, Atu & Walker should never see the light of day again.

• Put good users into the back 6 (McDonald, Perez & Tarryn for periods) replacing players I've mentioned above, who cannot execute basic skills consistently.
• Play CCJ (a ruckman with forward craft) instead of Xerri, who is a liability when resting forward.

I guarantee we will look better.

 

[giantroo]

Comben for Goldy
CCJ for X
Bonar/MM for McKay
Stevo and Powell for Mahony/Turner and Atu

 

[Sphynx]

We lost last week at selection. A back 6 of Scott, Young, Atu & Walker should never see the light of day again.

• Put good users into the back 6 (McDonald, Perez & Tarryn for periods) replacing players I've mentioned above, who cannot execute basic skills consistently.
• Play CCJ (a ruckman with forward craft) instead of Xerri, who is a liability when resting forward.

I guarantee we will look better.

I wouldn't classify McDonald as a good user.

In fact, the fact he thinks he's an amazing kick is part of the problem of all ball use from the back half these past few years.

 

[Psicosis]

I wouldn't classify McDonald as a good user.

In fact, the fact he thinks he's an amazing kick is part of the problem of all ball use from the back half these past few years.

I thought his ball use in 2020, when playing behind the ball was pretty good. His ball use up the ground is significantly worse, I agree.

He's no Whitfield, but he's an improvement on what we currently have back there kicking the ball. Until we get an elite user back there I'd like he and Perez to take duties away from Scott, Young & co.

 

[Sphynx]

I thought his ball use in 2020, when playing behind the ball was pretty good. His ball use up the ground is significantly worse, I agree.

He's no Whitfield, but he's an improvement on what we currently have back there kicking the ball. Until we get an elite user back there I'd like he and Perez to take duties away from Scott, Young & co.

He's the definition of a hot and cold kick, which was OK 20 years ago, but just doesn't cut it today from the back half.

1 play he will hit someone's lace out, the next he will shank it 15m left or right into the corridor directly to the opposition.

David King was the same.

The problem is (and this has been repeated by Dal Santo and Higgins in separate interviews) that Luke thinks he's one of the best kicks in the comp. He's a stupid footballer with low footy IQ, he regularly tries to bust tackles that are beyond him or try and hit highlight reel kicks back through the corridor, that he generally turns over. When all else fails, he blasts it 55 meters directly to the oppositions best intercepting defender.

He also thinks he can kick it significantly further than he actually can, his strike rate must be about 2% from kicks for goal outside 50, especially off hand ball receives from guys like Mahoney.

He's not a very penetrating kick, he has to kick it a mile in the air to get it 50+ and invariably you tend to slice or hook the ball when he give it that much air.

Aaron Hall is a significantly more penetrating kick than LMAC, but probably even more erratic.

He's a perfectly fine glue guy to have in the side, every side needs them, but he should be the 18-22 best player in a contending side, not in the best 5-10, which is where our problems lie.

 

[Samsquanch]

It’s not unusual to put off talks to end of the year, most likely reason is that he wants to negotiate after a run of games and earn a better deal.

Key word... EARN.

 

[Le Grille]

Key word... EARN.

His first few games were ok, his last couple have been poor.

 

[Psicosis]

He's the definition of a hot and cold kick, which was OK 20 years ago, but just doesn't cut it today from the back half.

1 play he will hit someone's lace out, the next he will shank it 15m left or right into the corridor directly to the opposition.

David King was the same.

The problem is (and this has been repeated by Dal Santo and Higgins in separate interviews) that Luke thinks he's one of the best kicks in the comp. He's a stupid footballer with low footy IQ, he regularly tries to bust tackles that are beyond him or try and hit highlight reel kicks back through the corridor, that he generally turns over. When all else fails, he blasts it 55 meters directly to the oppositions best intercepting defender.

He also thinks he can kick it significantly further than he actually can, his strike rate must be about 2% from kicks for goal outside 50, especially off hand ball receives from guys like Mahoney.

He's not a very penetrating kick, he has to kick it a mile in the air to get it 50+ and invariably you tend to slice or hook the ball when he give it that much air.

Aaron Hall is a significantly more penetrating kick than LMAC, but probably even more erratic.

He's a perfectly fine glue guy to have in the side, every side needs them, but he should be the 18-22 best player in a contending side, not in the best 5-10, which is where our problems lie.

Agree with the elements of this, particularly in regards to the attempted tackle breaking.

In Luke's defense, he is an exceptional intercept mark. Round 1 he was able to provide that for the first time in some time, as he played back.

I think if instructed to play within his limitations, he could be a consistent distributer off half back for the time being. Perez to have more of a license to take the riskier kicks.

I think putting him & Perez back will make us not only better from an intercept perspective, but nothing they do could make us any worse at rebounding.

 

[Themanbun]

Agree with the elements of this, particularly in regards to the attempted tackle breaking.

In Luke's defense, he is an exceptional intercept mark. Round 1 he was able to provide that for the first time in some time, as he played back.

I think if instructed to play within his limitations, he could be a consistent distributer off half back for the time being. Perez to have more of a license to take the riskier kicks.

I think putting him & Perez back will make us not only better from an intercept perspective, but nothing they do could make us any worse at rebounding.

I've got high hopes for Perez but he currently averages 10-11 disposals per game. He's not offering much on the rebound.

 

[Le Grille]

I've got high hopes for Perez but he currently averages 10-11 disposals per game. He's not offering much on the rebound.

Pretty tough when the ball is dominated by the opposition.

 

[Themanbun]

Pretty tough when the ball is dominated by the opposition.

Well it's going down there more often. Bailey Scott, Lachie Young and various others are able to find more of the footy in similar roles. I think Perez will be one of our best but we need to have some realistic perspective. It will be years before he's excelling in his role.

 

[Le Grille]

Well it's going down there more often. Bailey Scott, Lachie Young and various others are able to find more of the footy in similar roles. I think Perez will be one of our best but we need to have some realistic perspective. It will be years before he's excelling in his role.

Yes but his role is largely outside, sure the ball is down there but he’s not really the type to be contesting marks etc, which most of our defensive possessions have come ftom

 

[Psicosis]

I've got high hopes for Perez but he currently averages 10-11 disposals per game. He's not offering much on the rebound.

I think some of this is positional. Playing on a wing in our 22 would be incredibly difficult. He's also being asked to play a defensive wing role, which impacts his accumulation.

If played in the Atu, Young or Scott role on the weekend, I'd expect him to offer far more on the rebound.

 

[El Capuano]

Do we get a draft pick/compensation if he's out of contract? If he plays and doesn't sign with us, then we've given another club a one year learning curve at no charge.

I thought we did, as we got compensation for Brown and Wells leaving.

 

[Passmore]

I've got high hopes for Perez but he currently averages 10-11 disposals per game. He's not offering much on the rebound.

He's playing mainly defensive wing. I'd like to see him playing a legit hb role. His weapons are running and kicking.



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[Themanbun]

I think some of this is positional. Playing on a wing in our 22 would be incredibly difficult. He's also being asked to play a defensive wing role, which impacts his accumulation.

If played in the Atu, Young or Scott role on the weekend, I'd expect him to offer far more on the rebound.

Fair enough. I personally see him as a kid with 5 games after 2 ACLs and don't think he'd provide as much drive as Young or Scott (not that they're world beaters). And that's okay. I just don't think he's going to make us a better side until he gets a heap more games pumped into him. I think just beating his man is what I expect of him. Agree to disagree.

 

[Le Grille]

Do we get a draft pick/compensation if he's out of contract? If he plays and doesn't sign with us, then we've given another club a one year learning curve at no charge.

He’s not a FA I don’t think but if he wants to get to STk he’d need to be traded for. We have psd as protection if he’d go to the draft they’d either burn a pick they’d want to use or risk being picked up elsewhere

 

[glenn2479]

As much as we could and should make changes this week, the Senior AFL competition is NOT the place to experiment. That’s what VFL and Pre season is for. You don’t use the premier division of the premier league to ‘practice’. You want to look even more inept than we are- put Combden at CHB.

 

[Sphynx]

Agree with the elements of this, particularly in regards to the attempted tackle breaking.

In Luke's defense, he is an exceptional intercept mark. Round 1 he was able to provide that for the first time in some time, as he played back.

I think if instructed to play within his limitations, he could be a consistent distributer off half back for the time being. Perez to have more of a license to take the riskier kicks.

I think putting him & Perez back will make us not only better from an intercept perspective, but nothing they do could make us any worse at rebounding.

Im not knocking his courage and his intercepting has definitely improved.

At the moment he's a decent, intercepting half back with average disposal.

He's essentially what the club probably thought they might get out of Lachie Young.

Like I said, teams like Melbourne have a few of his type and even a few playing VFL football. See Joel Smith.

 

[Clarke is King]

Comben for Goldy
CCJ for X
Bonar/MM for McKay
Stevo and Powell for Mahony/Turner and Atu

I'd pay good money for this to happen but don't think the club has it in them to make the hard call on Goldy, or make 5 changes for that matter

 

[Horizons_00]

I reckon Horne needs a rest. Can Mahony play midfield? (I highly doubt it)

Hayden a midfield tagger?

CCJ needs to come in for Xerri

Goldy looks like he doesn’t want to play atm. So flat. He’s not the only issue though.

We need a ****ing fire lit under our ass. Wish we had a true leader, to set the standard for the rest of the group in training and on the field.

Tbh Curtis was the only player to look like he gave it his all. He looks absolutely spent after every contest. We need to harness that ruthless competitiveness.

Carlton by 65 points. Their midfield and forward line will destroy us.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Backing them in again this week David?