Opinion Changes for Prelim Final vs Western Bulldogs

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

I think we’re forgetting something about Marshall and another big reason I don’t think we can drop him.

Without Marshall we loose that last game against the Dogs. In defence, if he didn’t run back to the last line of defence for that spoil, Naughton would have easily out marked Jonas and won the game. Marshall was the only player that read the play and flight of the ball and worked to get in the right position to defend.

Marshall has taken some key marks in the defensive half of the ground at times. Georgiades does not do that.

Marshall provides the extra height if we need it and flexibility to float into defence and further down the ground.

I cannot see them dropping him for Georgiades and they shouldn’t. Marshall deserves his spot and offers more too the team with his footy smarts when we have guys like Fantasia, Gray and Motlop around him.

 

[hoff_squad]

Just sucks if Marshall kicks those easy set shots we wouldn’t be needing to have this conversation!

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I think we’re forgetting something about Marshall and another big reason I don’t think we can drop him.

Without Marshall we loose that last game against the Dogs. In defence, if he didn’t run back to the last line of defence for that spoil, Naughton would have easily out marked Jonas and won the game. Marshall was the only player that read the play and flight of the ball and worked to get in the right position to defend.

Marshall has taken some key marks in the defensive half of the ground at times. Georgiades does not do that.

Marshall provides the extra height if we need it and flexibility to float into defence and further down the ground.

I cannot see them dropping him for Georgiades and they shouldn’t. Marshall deserves his spot and offers more too the team with his footy smarts when we have guys like Fantasia, Gray and Motlop around him.

Yeah it was noticeable against Geelong the way he was filling space inside 50.

These are the kinds of defensive acts that the coaches are talking about that don't necessarily get stats but force the other team to play the way we want them to.

Todd spoke about it in his recent interview too.

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[240volt]

As a forward Marshall doesn’t do enough damage on the scoreboard. Georgiades is always going to be a danger up forward with his marking and can easily snag 3 goals in a game. The game is all about most goals wins there’s no way Marshall plays in front of Georgiades. It was lucky Marshall made that spoil against the dogs because he was the one who stuffed up kicking it to the dogs before hand.

 

[Adz2332]

not going to be popular, but bergman or bonner would be my choice to make way for MG.
Have plenty of HBFs.
4 talls makes a point of difference.

 

[Powerage]

I think we’re forgetting something about Marshall and another big reason I don’t think we can drop him.

Without Marshall we loose that last game against the Dogs. In defence, if he didn’t run back to the last line of defence for that spoil, Naughton would have easily out marked Jonas and won the game. Marshall was the only player that read the play and flight of the ball and worked to get in the right position to defend.

Marshall has taken some key marks in the defensive half of the ground at times. Georgiades does not do that.

Marshall provides the extra height if we need it and flexibility to float into defense and further down the ground.

I cannot see them dropping him for Georgiades and they shouldn’t. Marshall deserves his spot and offers more too the team with his footy smarts when we have guys like Fantasia, Gray and Motlop around him.

It was an excellent move under the most extreme of pressures. He was in the area though because he had the last defensive kick down the line just a few seconds earlier. In those circumstances Georgiades may well have been playing in defense if he had not been off the ground injured.

Every act that saved or resulted in a goal was crucial in that match though, so those two missed shots from Marshall were crucial as well.

Georgiades is tasked to play as a deep forward and logically doesn't roam as deep into defense as Marshall. However in terms of defensive acts according to https://afl.com.au/stats.

Marshall took 4 intercept marks (Georgiades 3), had1 more contested defense one one one and committed 4 more defensive half pressure acts over the course of the season than Georgiades, and he rarely uses his height to advantage. I think you are overrating Marshall's defensive power although he did have 13 more spoils.

Georgiades equally deserves his spot, if not more. As a teenager he took the 2nd KDF role and made it his after not even being picked in the first game of the season only being included when Marshall did not play the second match. He could also equally be said to offer more to the team with his ability as a marking and scoring weapon so guys like Fantasia, Gray and Motlop can have a rest!

If it comes down to Georgiades vs Marshall for a spot (and I dont believe it should) I think they are both deserving of their place.

 

[philthy05]

As a forward Marshall doesn’t do enough damage on the scoreboard.

He’s our 4th highest goalkicker

 

[robbo1981]

Will be unchanged for sure but goargiades is more likely to kick a bag so I would want him in but can't see it unfortunately.

 

[Tibbs]

Without Marshall we loose that last game against the Dogs. In defence, if he didn’t run back to the last line of defence for that spoil, Naughton would have easily out marked Jonas and won the game. Marshall was the only player that read the play and flight of the ball and worked to get in the right position to defend.

Marshall has taken some key marks in the defensive half of the ground at times. Georgiades does not do that.

Marshall provides the extra height if we need it and flexibility to float into defence and further down the ground.

I cannot see them dropping him for Georgiades and they shouldn’t. Marshall deserves his spot and offers more too the team with his footy smarts when we have guys like Fantasia, Gray and Motlop around him.

Hey, I am a Marshall fan, and he WILL be in the squad next week, but, this praise of him is so myopic and indeed, erroneous, its not funny!

FACT: WB are coming at us, and we are holding on for dear life. There were 30-odd seconds left on the clock & RGray has the ball, and rather than kick to a contest, he goes across to an open Marshall. Now 20 seconds on the clock - levels heads are needed. Marshall has two immediate obvious options ... Aliir is open and across from him, as is McKenzie who is also open and unmarked further across the square. Kick it to either of them and its game-over. Instead he ignores them both, waits, and instead then kicks to a contest on the boundary!! - For goodness sake!!! WB mark, and he then runs back to clean up his own mistake! Kudos to him for that, but if Bailey's kick had of gone through, that loss was squarely on him!

DEFENCE: In his defence, his option of kicking it to the contest might have seemed optimum at the time, because it had Lycett up against Cody Weightman, who then outbodies Lycett allowing Young to take the mark. Unbelievable! That should have been punched over the line by Lycett every day of the week. Being out-wrestled by Weightman is an embarrassment.

Surely the coaches have gone over that vision with both players!

 

[philthy05]

Will be unchanged for sure but goargiades is more likely to kick a bag so I would want him in but can't see it unfortunately.

If we call a ‘bag’ 3+ goals then Georgiades has only kicked 1 bag in the past 5 months. Which I was shocked to realise when I researched it.

What he will do is threaten to take a mark or turn a half chance into a quick goal, which will force the opposition to be diligent in respecting him.

If he’s fit I want him in.

dixon Georgiades and Marshall are three of our 4 highest goal kickers this season. They score for us and they force the defenders to be accountable which means our small forwards can come into the game and it means the defenders can’t set up their attack as easily.

 

[yepits2020]

Well the good part of all this is we are seeing the value of playing Lycett and Ladhams and not trying to turn Aliir Allie into a ruck option (played poorly for weeks after we used him in ruck), Marshall or Dixon (who is still hurting from his turn in ruck). On balance, it is a two tall forward line plus resting ruck. Ladhams is still very raw. So it appears to be a choice between a youngish Marshall and a very young Georgiades, very different types of players. As a forward, Georgiades is clearly a better player and I am still annoyed at Marshall for his finals performance in 2020. But it is a year on, and Marshall’s experience is going to be more important than a raw Georgiades. Any changes by the coaches will be made by the coaches based on any advantage they see they can get. This I will leave to them. I just want to get to and win a grand final, and I am pissed that if we get there, I can’t go.

 

[El Zorro]

I’m watching the relay now and motlops game had some very poor patches

1st Qtr he short steps a contest which gives an uncontested mark to Selwood which becomes a geelong goal.

Didn’t do anything after midway through the 2nd except miss easy shots at goal.

I am sure you undertook the same analysis for all 23 players on that game and found no fault at all with the other 22, right?

 

[philthy05]

I am sure you undertook the same analysis for all 23 players on that game and found no fault at all with the other 22, right?

Yes. I wrote my thoughts of all players in the review thread

 

[El Zorro]

Yes. I wrote my thoughts of all players in the review thread

And I assume no one other than Motlop made a mistake, in your opinion.

 

[philthy05]

And I assume no one other than Motlop made a mistake, in your opinion.

You’re assuming wrong.

 

[Astronema]

After watching the replay I thought Bonner’s disposal was pretty shaky. I thought he played reasonably well but his spot could be up for grabs IMO.

 

[ElectricG]

If we had to make way for MG I’d drop Ladhams. If we had to.

 

[Powerage]

And I assume no one other than Motlop made a mistake, in your opinion.

Just to clarify, the original Motlop review posted in the thread Review 2021 QF vs Geelong was

...Motlop - kicked a couple of goals, had some very good moments but also absolutely killed some real easy chances. just bizarre moments at times from a skilled senior player.
...
marshall - involved early. really had some eye-catching moments with his attack on the ball which was pleasing but looked ******* nervy kicking for goal. needs to get confident and quickly. both our key forwards have the yips at the wrong end of the season. Had some real classy touches. our talls struggled a bit tonight. Geelong really threw numbers at our key forwards. I think it was the plan they came into tonight, to cover our bigs after watching what they've done the past month. instead our smalls burnt them....

the revised motlop review (for him only) was posted in the thread Changes for Prelim Final vs Brisbane or Bulldogs

I’m watching the relay now and motlops game had some very poor patches
1st Qtr he short steps a contest which gives an uncontested mark to Selwood which becomes a geelong goal.
Didn’t do anything after midway through the 2nd except miss easy shots at goal.

 

[PowerBaz]

If we had to make way for MG I’d drop Ladhams. If we had to.

Have you been watching the games?

 

[MrMeaner]

I've been a Ladhams critic but there is no way you could drop him on his current form. The kinds of things I have been critical of him for - getting in Dixon's way and not showing enough forward craft - have pretty much dropped away. His ruck work is improving and, in that regard, his ability to offer Lycett a break is invaluable.

I think we go in unchanged against either of these teams. Three talls should be enough. It's unlucky for Mitch to have been injured at this point but he is not the first Port player to do so in our history. He may get his chance if we make it through to the GF. I think he'll be much more important, structurally against Melbourne.

 

[Waspy79]

He’s our 4th highest goalkicker

4th out of the 4 regulars in 2021 I assume.

 

[Powerage]

4th out of the 4 regulars in 2021 I assume.

Well Rozee kicked 2 goals less but has been playing injured for a reasonable part of the season.
Robbie kicked 3 goals less but was injured for 3 games more.

He was beaten by a teenager and Orazio who played 6 games less.

But, and this is heartfelt, he has had to deal with some off field tragedies than no kid should have to deal with.

 

[jac147]

It was an excellent move under the most extreme of pressures. He was in the area though because he had the last defensive kick down the line just a few seconds earlier. In those circumstances Georgiades may well have been playing in defense if he had not been off the ground injured.

Every act that saved or resulted in a goal was crucial in that match though, so those two missed shots from Marshall were crucial as well.

Georgiades is tasked to play as a deep forward and logically doesn't roam as deep into defense as Marshall. However in terms of defensive acts according to https://afl.com.au/stats.

Marshall took 4 intercept marks (Georgiades 3), had1 more contested defense one one one and committed 4 more defensive half pressure acts over the course of the season than Georgiades, and he rarely uses his height to advantage. I think you are overrating Marshall's defensive power although he did have 13 more spoils.

Georgiades equally deserves his spot, if not more. As a teenager he took the 2nd KDF role and made it his after not even being picked in the first game of the season only being included when Marshall did not play the second match. He could also equally be said to offer more to the team with his ability as a marking and scoring weapon so guys like Fantasia, Gray and Motlop can have a rest!

If it comes down to Georgiades vs Marshall for a spot (and I dont believe it should) I think they are both deserving of their place.

your last sentence - it's the way I would go Brutal on some other poor schmuck!

 

[Powerage]

If it comes down to Georgiades vs Marshall for a spot (and I dont believe it should) I think they are both deserving of their place.

your last sentence - it's the way I would go Brutal on some other poor schmuck!

Actually it doesn't really make sense.

They are both deserving of their spot. They have both played the majority of the season. Georgiades has been sensational in his first season and Marshall has had his best season to date. I don't want to go into a prelim or (hopefully) a GF without either of them.

My own opinion for what it is worth is that we are mobile defender heavy with the sensational year of the other youngster Bergman and the recent sensational form of Burton who looks like he has got his body right. DBJ has lately on the improve again and Houston can play interchangeably in the midfield or back In that scenario Bonner misses out which is unfortunate because he has come back with a whole new atitude.

It makes sense to go in with the best balanced side and the strongest, most flexible and functional offense we can muster because it is an area we have struggled with, although often through injury.

Yes we absolutely go in with Ladhams and Lycett too because Ladhams game has been improving as a forward and in the ruck and we also need the strongest contested ball brigade we can bring to bear because that is another area that is supremely important to us, and is another reason why Bonner unfortunately misses out.

I hope this lengthy monologue helps to clarify that single sentence.

 

[Lefti93]

feel for anyone who gets dropped or can't make the side atm.

don't remember 04 well enough to remember if there were any selection headaches as we have currently have as going into that finals series.

i know ebo and salopek played a few games that year due to injuries but wouldn't have thought there was any doubt that they'd come out the side.