Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 21 vs. Hawthorn, MCG, Sat 05/08, 4:35pm

[swoop42]

Lipinski returned this season during the absence of Sidebottom.

Now though that Sidey has returned has the balanced been tipped with Lipinski still in and we've become to slow through the midfield?

 

[stixys121]

In Frampton, Hill, Harrison
Out Cox Lipinski, WHE

 

[swoop42]

Hoskin-Elliott out before Lipinski is madness! As is moving Markov to the sub!

Despite the fresh legs WHE had 1 possession in the final quarter.

I wouldn't be getting to carried away.

 

[gouki88]

Despite the fresh legs WHE had 1 possession in the final quarter.

I wouldn't be getting to carried away.

Fresh legs isn't his strength. He's a bad choice for the sub, running all game is his best move

 

[3rdMan]

Don't think this'll happen but my changes would be:

Out: Cox, Mitchell, Lipinski
In: WHE, Hill, Frampton

More likely:
Out: Cox, ??? (Not sure actually)
In: AJ, Hill

 

[HFF]

There’s probably 4 spots or so that are up for grabs ….
Things are really heating up.

 

[LuckyLee]

Opportunity to manage Nick Daicos. Give him a rest before a full run at the back end of the year/finals

Need him to play for my Brownlow bet. Just kidding! No, actually….


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[domus]

We lack star power in the forward line and have for years. It's nights like this when you are reminded of this fact. Most contenders have a gun or two. We have a group of good, honest workhorses.

 

[3rdMan]

With how poor he's been as a defender, it would be negligent to not look at it. His complete lack of run and inability to effect marking contests killed us with him in the defensive half.

Carlton only took 10 marks inside 50 to our 18 (Freo took 12 a couple of weeks ago). We just missed a bunch of our shots and theirs were supplemented by free kicks, at least 5.

 

[danielnajdek]

Need him to play for my Brownlow bet. Just kidding! No, actually….


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Needs to play a couple of decent games in the last 4. Think the Bont will win.

 

[gouki88]

Carlton only took 10 marks inside 50 to our 18 (Freo took 12 a couple of weeks ago). We just missed a bunch of our shots and theirs were supplemented by free kicks, at least 5.

It was marking contests up the field in transition where he hurt us. Or, by getting burnt by Martin at ground level

 

[adammania9]

Cox was on the ground for total of 39 minutes ! What can a lumbering ruckmand do in that time ? Cameron was on for 102 minutes !

A ruck can compete and not give away stupid frees to non-rucks inside defensive fifty. It was a comically bad performance. It's VFL time.

 

[3rdMan]

Coxy goes through bad patches that are very bad. His form comes and goes very quickly when he is not 1st ruck. I wouldn’t be worried if Cameron was injured and Cox was 1st ruck but at the moment neither are really doing a lot. Yes I’m a Cox fan and will always stick up for him but AJ must come in.

I think Cameron's form has been strong and tonight very good again. Won the hit outs and took 5 marks.

 

[3rdMan]

It was marking contests up the field in transition where he hurt us. Or, by getting burnt by Martin at ground level

Not especially fair to expect him to compete with Martin at ground level. If that was his actual matchup, doesn't seem a good one.

 

[windchimes]

We're not going to play Howe as a permanent forward. It was just a late positional change that worked because Carlton didn't expect it. Exact same thing happened with Moore a year or two ago against Brisbane or West Coast

I'd much rather we used 'Throw Howe forward as a curveball' as that move rather than Moore. Glad that we now know it's a viable late-game option.

 

[Korol Mira]

Yeah, its not worth looking at a 33yo who kicked 3 goals as a forward, rather than keeping him down back where game clearly gone past him back there.

Nice sarcasm and all but if he's struggling in the backline he'll struggle a lot more in the forward line

 

[3rdMan]

Big VFL game for Krueger, AJ and Frampton. Surely the Cox spot is now up for grabs. I feel Krueger's the one we'll want in ideal circumstances, but may be too many questions.

Frampton as a forward isn't great, but not worse than an out of form Cox. If he plays defence in the VFL then safe to say his only chance is as a defender.

Tipping it will be AJ for Cox.

 

[Axl the great]

Our forward line worked better with Mihocek alone with mid and small forwards around him.
Cox should be dropped and McStay and Cameron share the ruck.
Howe needs to go forward, he’s a liability down back and has been for ages.
Carlton really go us in the coaches box, man on man contested game, there was always a Carlton player with in a metre of ours. They pressed up and covered every single runner and sweated on our handball game.

We need to learn a huge lesson out of this because they just showed the rest how to beat us.

 

[Eric Shin]

OUT: Cox, Lipinski, Mitchell (slowness)

IN: AJ, Hill (speed/x-factor)

Sub: Frampton


B: Howe - Moore - Quaynor

HB: Maynard - Murphy - Crisp

C: Sidebottom - Pendlebury - J. Daicos

HF: Hill - Mihocek - N. Daicos

F: Elliot - McStay - Johnson

R: Cameron - Adams - De Goey

INT: Noble, McCreery, Hoskin-Elliot, Markov

SUB: Frampton


•DC main ruck
•AJ third tall/second ruck
•Nick plays Lippa role swapping with Adams
•Frampton can get subbed in if we want a second ruck or at FB if we want to swap Howe forward


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[Chrispiesssss]

Out: Lipinski, Cox, Titch

In: Frampton, Hill, AJ

Sub: Howe

Murphy, Frampton, Maynard
Noble, Moore, IQ
Jaicos, Naicos, Sidebottom
Elliot, McStay, Mihocek
Beau, AJ, WHE

Cameron, Pendles, JDG

Hill, Adams, Markov, Crisp

I think we need to move Crisp to the modified and swap him with Naicos.

 

[JLC]

Out: Lipinski, Cox, Titch

In: Frampton, Hill, AJ

Sub: Howe

Murphy, Frampton, Maynard
Noble, Moore, IQ
Jaicos, Naicos, Sidebottom
Elliot, McStay, Mihocek
Beau, AJ, WHE

Cameron, Pendles, JDG

Hill, Adams, Markov, Crisp

I think we need to move Crisp to the modified and swap him with Naicos.

Agree re Crisp - we need his gut running and link up play. Has been under utilised.


I would be dropping Adams. Agree re Cox - needs a circuit breaker.

Hawks will be a tough match as their centre square work is very good.

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[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Nice sarcasm and all but if he's struggling in the backline he'll struggle a lot more in the forward line

Not tonight he didn’t, he was our highest goal scorer and he was playing forward for 1 quarter.

 

[domus]

OUT: Cox, Lipinski, Mitchell (slowness)

IN: AJ, Hill (speed/x-factor)

Sub: Frampton


B: Howe - Moore - Quaynor

HB: Maynard - Murphy - Crisp

C: Sidebottom - Pendlebury - J. Daicos

HF: Hill - Mihocek - N. Daicos

F: Elliot - McStay - Johnson

R: Cameron - Adams - De Goey

INT: Noble, McCreery, Hoskin-Elliot, Markov

SUB: Frampton


•DC main ruck
•AJ third tall/second ruck
•Nick plays Lippa role swapping with Adams
•Frampton can get subbed in if we want a second ruck or at FB if we want to swap Howe forward


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McStay gave away a free infringing in the ruck inside their forward 50 arc just as I predicted. It happens whenever undersized non rucks are asked to do the job and it can be a very dangerous ploy given the way smaller men infringe at throw ins and ball ups.

 

[KillerMagpies]

Lipinski fan but enough is enough. Cox dismal again. Both of them out please.

In: Frampton, Hill

B: Brayden Maynard - Billy Frampton - Nathan Murphy
HB: Isaac Quaynor - Darcy Moore - John Noble
C: Josh Daicos - Tom Mitchell - Steele Sidebottom
HF: Beau McCreery - Brody Mihocek - Bobby Hill
F: Jamie Elliott - Dan McStay - Jeremy Howe
R: Darcy Cameron - Nick Daicos - Jordan De Goey
I: Scott Pendlebury - Jack Crisp - Oleg Markov - Will Hoskin-Elliott
Sub: Taylor Adams

Very good. Totally agree.

 

[domus]

Our forward line worked better with Mihocek alone with mid and small forwards around him.
Cox should be dropped and McStay and Cameron share the ruck.
Howe needs to go forward, he’s a liability down back and has been for ages.
Carlton really go us in the coaches box, man on man contested game, there was always a Carlton player with in a metre of ours. They pressed up and covered every single runner and sweated on our handball game.

We need to learn a huge lesson out of this because they just showed the rest how to beat us.

We cannot go into a finals campaign with McStay or AJ as the second ruck. That would be diabolical. If Cox has to go (even temporarily) then Frampton should be the replacement.