Preview Changes: R5 vs Richmond - Saturday April 16, 4.05pm ACST @ Adelaide Oval

[Scorpus]

IN:
McAdam, Cook, Berry

OUT:
Hinge, Rowe, Schoenberg

Hinge dropped and named as an emergency, not injured

 

[dogs105]

And not in the discussion to change. Dropping Schoey is hilarious. It’s peak AFC.

Schoey could benefit from a run in the 2s to find touch. But surely both Sloane and Crouch can't stay in ahead of him. One of those two must be dropped this week.

And so must ROB.

 

[dogs105]

Possible outs: ROB, Sloane, Crouch, Schoenberg, Hinge (inj)

Possible ins: Strachan, Worrell, Thilthorpe, Berry, Pedlar, Hately, Soligo, Hamill

 

[maxlilly]

I can't say I'd be surprised that we identified that it was the younger members of the side letting us down, it has been our M.O. all season.

If Sloane lines up in the guts first bounce, I'm switching off and doing something else because we aren't serious about winning whilst we keep putting him in there.

I hate to say it but if he is a leader, he needs to put his hand up and do the best thing by the team and say he can't do large midfield minutes because it is holding the team back

Instead of supporting a young gun to work through their form drop, we blame them for the loss and drop them
While senior players whose form has dropped, which also give the team the wrong structure and balance are backed in to keep playing

 

[pjcrows]

It'd be the wrong time and circumstances to drop Schoenberg.

So lock it in.

 

[Maddogmetro]

Dropping Schoenberg would be such an incredibly dumb response the week after taking away his midfield time.

Giving his midfield time to Sloane, Crouch, Laird, and Keays set him up to fail.

Chuck him in the middle, leave him there week after week, give him the opportunity, and assess in 10 games.

Why is this so hard for selectors?

 

[Geoffa32]

It'd be the wrong time and circumstances to drop Schoenberg.

So lock it in.

Whilst I agree, I think getting him to play as the prime mid in the SANFL is better than having him pushed out to HF in the AFL.


Seeing his CBAs drop with Skip back was the wrong thing to do.

Skip should play HF, Schoenberg should lead us with CBAs and be allowed to work through the extra defensive pressure he is now getting, and affecting his form.

Oppo now see him as one of mids that will hurt you. With Laird and Keays.

They let Crouch get as much ball as he wants.

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[LeftyLuke]

What is actually wrong with Sloane?

In the game he broke his hand last year, he looked like old Sloane (albeit against Gold Coast). 34 touches, 7 marks, 11 clearances and a Brownlow vote. He then missed a month and just never regained any real form dealing with a further finger injury and eye injury.

I thought with a full preseason - he would really bounce back this year. Thought he would be used as a jack of all trades this year - used 50% up forward, 25% across half back and 25% in the middle.

He just seems to be really lacking confidence. He looks slow, uncertain and about 2 seconds off the pace.

Has the game completely gone past him or is it some other underlying issue?

Sloane is 32. Most players are lucky to make it to 30, he is done. Was a very poor contract. Sloane doesn't care anymore either, he knows his premiership window was shot 5 years ago. It's a poor decision having someone that was a major part of a failed campaign and likely jaded by the experience trying to inspire the future. The captain should be someone who will be a major part of our future. Nick's appointing Sloane shows you why he will fail as a coach.

 

[Scorpus]

What is actually wrong with Sloane?

In the game he broke his hand last year, he looked like old Sloane (albeit against Gold Coast). 34 touches, 7 marks, 11 clearances and a Brownlow vote. He then missed a month and just never regained any real form dealing with a further finger injury and eye injury.

I thought with a full preseason - he would really bounce back this year. Thought he would be used as a jack of all trades this year - used 50% up forward, 25% across half back and 25% in the middle.

He just seems to be really lacking confidence. He looks slow, uncertain and about 2 seconds off the pace.

Has the game completely gone past him or is it some other underlying issue?

I don't think there's anything particularly mysterious about it.

It's simply that he's 32 years old now. AFL players rapidly decline around this age.

 

[jackster83]

I don't think there's anything particularly mysterious about it.

It's simply that he's 32 years old now. AFL players rapidly decline around this age.

The sad thing was his decline started at 29 when most mids are still close to their peak.

 

[Scorpus]

The sad thing was his decline started at 29 when most mods are still close to or at their peak.

He reminds me of Dan Hannebery except he can actually get on the park

 

[jackster83]

He reminds me of Dan Hannebery except he can actually get on the park

Michael Wilson - both kept playing through injuries.

 

[rocket18]

What kind of message does that send to the group?

Perform at AFL level and you'll be dropped, for a young pup who has no more runs on the board than the player being dropped? I'd struggle to think of any better way of DEmotivating the player group.

This is a seriously BAD idea.

A worse message and a bigger DEmotivating factor is when the youngsters are in form playing reserves and the senior players are out of form and then injured but are still selected in front of you.

They must wonder when their chance will come to play in their best position - the reason they were selected in the draft.

Interesting vision of Sloane arguing with Nick's at training. I wonder if this was the discussion of its time for you to move out of the midfield for the benefit of the team. There shouldn't be any discussion.

Maybe the opposite, Nicks in all his footballing wisdom wants to up Sloanes midfield minutes - cut out this forward or back rubbish.

Rory might be going "hang on a minute Nicksy I can't do that anymore"

 

[Sprungy]

What I would like to happen:

OUT: Brown, Hinge (inj), Sloane, Schoenberg, ROB

IN: Hamill, Worrell, Hateley, Berry, Strachan




What is likely to happen:

OUT: Hinge (inj)

IN:New player on Sub bench, Dawson to Hinge's position and Cook to the wing.



At this stage we're a bit hamstrung when it comes to making changes, damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Schoenberg won't be dropped because he's the only one in the midfield who has any burst of speed when it comes to being the second link in the chain. His issue is just consistency at the moment, all between the ears.
Brown and ROB won't be dropped because you'd imagine the coaches would be already concerned with the lack of experienced heads around the park. Sloane had 3rd highest tackles, so always brings that to his game, but was ineffective in just about every other capacity. Won't be dropped because he's captain.

Cook did some good things when he came on the park, but i don't know why he is being chosen as the sub at the moment. You want your sub to make an instant mark on the game with their WORKRATE, because everyone else on the ground is going to be more fatigued. Cook looks like he's in serious need of conditioning, as he struggles to get to contests and work back defensively. I think he just needs full game time at the moment, and could do with a stint in the SANFL to get some of that fitness.

Richmond will be VERY tall up forward, and we're going to have to get creative at the selection table in dealing with Lynch, Riewoldt, Balta, Parker and Nankervis on occasion. 3 talls are probably going to have to be considered.

The main stats that killed us on Sunday were:

Marks inside 50 (Ess 14 - Crows 7)
Tackles inside 50 (Ess 8 - Crows 3) After a season average of 9 tackles. 2 tackles between Butts, Frampton, Hinge, Doedee, Smith COMBINED. This speaks to an absolutely woeful level of pressure being applied in our D50.
Inside 50's (Ess 65 - Crows 53) The ball is in there A LOT, and 65 entries by Essendon isn't really giving our defenders the best chance. The season average for Ess is 52.

And lastly, despite being PUMMELLED in the Hit-Outs, we actually beat Essendon in most of the clearances stats. Where we failed was ultimately not having a good tap ruckman to give our Mids more of a chance to dominate, but we also got caught so many times trying to extract the ball to the 2nd link, particularly Crouch with HTB. So we won won clearances, but they weren't of great quality, and often resulted in turnovers.

 

[Sprungy]

Agree with most of this Vader, except for Frampton. Before the season started I would have traded him for a used 20c postage stamp. But he has shown a bit with ball in hand the last 2 weeks. Lots to work on the defensive side of his game, but might just be worth a bit more of a look.

I think Luke Brown optimises the Crows brand . Steady , but that's it , rarely sets up play and generally bombs the ball out , down the lines, wouldn't know what the corridor is , o ky to have it returned . Never appears in best players . Yet the Crows have never attempted to get a better version of him.

 

[skam85]

Comrades????

I said in the Round 1 selection thread that I would not pick players who had a disrupted preseason or missed most of last year, surprisingly the selectors ignored me,

In Round 1, Hinge worked, Dawson worked after halftime, Brown and Doedee were below their best, Milera was very poor.

Didn’t you say it was garbage to play Laird against Poort. He was handy.

Last week I said I would give Sloane another week off.

Tex was totally different, no injuries, fully fit, even a blind monkey with a rudimentary understanding of AFL would have played him.

I have seen the boys play live four times this year. Exactly how many times for the Moon Howler?

Still “watching” the matches on 5aa?

I I I
me me me

 

[Geoffa32]

The sad thing was his decline started at 29 when most mids are still close to their peak.

His body is stuffed. All the little injuries started making an impact around then.



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[skam85]

The sad thing was his decline started at 29 when most mids are still close to their peak.

Sloane's never fully been the same since Sam Gibson tagged him out of that game.

 

[GROTTO]

Sloane is 32. Most players are lucky to make it to 30, he is done. Was a very poor contract. Sloane doesn't care anymore either, he knows his premiership window was shot 5 years ago. It's a poor decision having someone that was a major part of a failed campaign and likely jaded by the experience trying to inspire the future. The captain should be someone who will be a major part of our future. Nick's appointing Sloane shows you why he will fail as a coach.

Good post. You raised some very valid points.

The choice of captain was crucial and Nicks failed to see this glaring issue.

Mind you, its not like we were blessed with alternatives either. If not Sloane, then who? I mean someone whose body is sound and whose performance trajectory either is good or constantly improving in order to lead from example.

 

[CrowToon]

I think Luke Brown optimises the Crows brand . Steady , but that's it , rarely sets up play and generally bombs the ball out , down the lines, wouldn't know what the corridor is , o ky to have it returned . Never appears in best players . Yet the Crows have never attempted to get a better version of him.

The fact that he can be total rubbish and noone talks about him because he is so vanilla. Not advocating to drop him but has there ever been a more forgettable player?

 

[GROTTO]

Good question.

He was one of the players who had covid & had to isolate for 2 weeks in preseason. He could be having lingering affects of covid as many do.

Most of my memories of him in games is chasing the opposition rather than with ball in hand.

Whether it is a short term issue or a longer one, we can't carry him in the AFL side. He needs to back to sanfl & demand a spot back.

I think using Covid as a reason/excuse is a cop out. Im not saying you, but rather if Sloane or the Club is using this as a reason.

I mean there were times last week, where he was simply shanking kicks and causing turnovers. Thats a sign of declination in skill, rather than stamina.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Instead of supporting a young gun to work through their form drop, we blame them for the loss and drop them
While senior players whose form has dropped, which also give the team the wrong structure and balance are backed in to keep playing

Bang on.

 

[Houston]

The sad thing was his decline started at 29 when most mids are still close to their peak.

He never really recovered from copping a tag each week after Danger left.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

I I I
me me me

The Moon Howler asked if “I” had agreed with bringing in Sloane etc.

“I” answered his question outlining what “I” had said.

Just read the posts before being a smart arse comrade

 

[Vader]

A worse message and a bigger DEmotivating factor is when the youngsters are in form playing reserves and the senior players are out of form and then injured but are still selected in front of you.

They must wonder when their chance will come to play in their best position - the reason they were selected in the draft.

Unhelpful? Yes. Worse? No.

 

[Maddogmetro]

He never really recovered from copping a tag each week after Danger left.

The hard tag following his and our strong start to 2017 destroyed him.

It was 'the blueprint', and he never learned to deal with it. Now he is so broken, opposition teams don't deem him worthy of the tag.