Prediction Changes: Round 17 Vs Carlton + pre-match discussion

[s_wd6]

It’s important to remember that the younger inexperienced players will be up & down. He appeared to play high up the ground on the weekend & ended up back in the Ruck. Also worth noting that Jye has kicked 21 goals since Tracey come into side, previously had kicked 8. The shot Tracey had on the weekend was from a tough spot

I wonder how much of it is to do with the forward structure with JT, and how much is to do with the team playing slightly better, or how much it has to do with natural improvement from Amiss throughout the year.

Before Treacy he went 1.3 goals/game from 6 games.
Since Treacy is in he's gone 2.6 goals/game from 8 games.

 

[WhoneedsMcLeod]

As I’ve already said I think we should select Brodie but I reckon we should also be looking at Colyer. He is always busy, has real pace & an experienced head on his shoulders.

All of Freddy, Shultz & Switta should be considered expendable if we’re serious about rewarding form over reputation.

Hamling, Worner & Wilson all deserve consideration too. I would really like to see Hamling in particular given another chance to see if he can still blanket a forward & he always made good decisions & worked well in the system.

Colyer, surely you are kidding, rising 32, what is the gain in bringing Colyer back in?

 

[Madas]

Who would you play on Curnow?

Cox?

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

I wonder how much of it is to do with the forward structure with JT, and how much is to do with the team playing slightly better, or how much it has to do with natural improvement from Amiss throughout the year.

Before Treacy he went 1.3 goals/game from 6 games.
Since Treacy is in he's gone 2.6 goals/game from 8 games.

With Treacy in the team, Amiss plays deeper

 

[Madas]

Cox?

What’s so funny ?

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Colyer, surely you are kidding, rising 32, what is the gain in bringing Colyer back in?

 

[Madas]

The fart scene in that movie was hilarious

 

[s_wd6]

What’s so funny ?

I remember last year Logue following Curnow 150m down the ground to get a spoil in the last minute. Cox doesn’t have the athleticism for him. None of our defenders really do.

 

[Perfect Purple]

I wonder how much of it is to do with the forward structure with JT, and how much is to do with the team playing slightly better, or how much it has to do with natural improvement from Amiss throughout the year.

Before Treacy he went 1.3 goals/game from 6 games.
Since Treacy is in he's gone 2.6 goals/game from 8 games.

Jye himself has said that he and Treacy are starting to build some chemistry between them and are helping each other to play better.

Give these two kids another season or two playing together and they could become a scary duo for opposition teams.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Carlton supporters are rightfully confident given what we've been trotting out in first quarters this year...

 

[Madas]

I remember last year Logue following Curnow 150m down the ground to get a spoil in the last minute. Cox doesn’t have the athleticism for him. None of our defenders really do.

Cox was in AA form not that long ago and is more than capable to match up on Curnow and we all know that
Pearce more suited to McKay and Ryan not tall enough

 

[s_wd6]

Cox was in AA form not that long ago and is more than capable to match up on Curnow and we all know that
Pearce more suited to McKay and Ryan not tall enough

Cox is my guy I will defend him after his worst game I just don’t think he matches up well against Curnow. Same reason he didn’t play on Cameron.

 

[s_wd6]

Jye himself has said that he and Treacy are starting to build some chemistry between them and are helping each other to play better.

Give these two kids another season or two playing together and they could become a scary duo for opposition teams.

Would be nice to get some signatures down tbh.

 

[wakojako]

Would be nice to get some signatures down tbh.

He is definitely interested so it will come down to how much the rival clubs are willing to out bid us.

 

[E Shed]

Colyer, surely you are kidding, rising 32, what is the gain in bringing Colyer back in?

Because we have 3 underperforming small forwards and Colyer is a very handy player on his day.

Colyer is good at running up and down & linking up, he's got electric pace, is not afraid to take the game on and can kick a goal or 2 on a good day. Plus he has a lot of experience and we are playing very young most weeks. A couple of harder players like Colyer and Brodie could be just what we need to match Carlton.

What's the point in having players on the list if you aren't actually going to play them if the players out there aren't getting the job done? They are depth for when either the incumbent is injured or out of form.

I reckon Freddy, Shultz, Switta could all do with a kick up the bum. Players like Banfield and Sturt are regularly dropped for poor returns, Sturt gets dropped even if he kicks more goals and lays more tackles than the rest of the forwards.

I'd prefer to play Switta as a mid/forward and either Shultz or Freddy can go see how they like running around at Peel.

JL talks about selection integrity but doesn't demonstrate a whole lot of it when it comes to certain players.

 

[Madas]

Cox is my guy I will defend him after his worst game I just don’t think he matches up well against Curnow. Same reason he didn’t play on Cameron.

He hasn’t been himself this season for some reason
Hope he’s not losing interest

Our defenders have to work their asses off all the time when our bloody forwards let the ball bounce back out easily
It must be frustrating and I imagine everyone has their thresholds

 

[Vintage]

He hasn’t been himself this season for some reason
Hope he’s not losing interest

Our defenders have to work their asses off all the time when our bloody forwards let the ball bounce back out easily
It must be frustrating and I imagine everyone has their thresholds

Wasn’t he injured and missed a good chunk of the pre-season?

 

[Madas]

Wasn’t he injured and missed a good chunk of the pre-season?

Skateboard?

 

[s_wd6]

Skateboard?

Was only a couple weeks towards the end of the pre season though. Doubt it would’ve had much of an impact. Think it’s just a down year for him.

 

[Madas]

Was only a couple weeks towards the end of the pre season though. Doubt it would’ve had much of an impact. Think it’s just a down year for him.

I think so too and maybe not even a year
Look at Ryan
Was bog average start of the year and last couple of games has been amazing

 

[Ysaye]

Because we have 3 underperforming small forwards and Colyer is a very handy player on his day.

Colyer is good at running up and down & linking up, he's got electric pace, is not afraid to take the game on and can kick a goal or 2 on a good day. Plus he has a lot of experience and we are playing very young most weeks. A couple of harder players like Colyer and Brodie could be just what we need to match Carlton.

What's the point in having players on the list if you aren't actually going to play them if the players out there aren't getting the job done? They are depth for when either the incumbent is injured or out of form.

I reckon Freddy, Shultz, Switta could all do with a kick up the bum. Players like Banfield and Sturt are regularly dropped for poor returns, Sturt gets dropped even if he kicks more goals and lays more tackles than the rest of the forwards.

I'd prefer to play Switta as a mid/forward and either Shultz or Freddy can go see how they like running around at Peel.

JL talks about selection integrity but doesn't demonstrate a whole lot of it when it comes to certain players.

Colyer was the best forward we had at Peel on the weekend from my watching and I certainly wouldn't be against it. As you say, had pace and pressure as well as putting it on the scoreboard as well.

I can kind of understand the coaches backing in Frederick just because he is playing half forward and a lot of his role is going to mean he is going to get bypassed as an option a good number of times. And at least he is kicking goals unlike Switkowski....

Switkowski looks really good when he is on, but he basically has basically been slightly worse than "playing well when we are on and not when we are not". As you say, he looked useful as a shock weapon in the midfield early in the year but he just can't kick goals consistently enough. His tackle numbers are also right down these last 5 games, with three games of only 1 tackle. Also positionally, not being able to kick 50m goals as a high half forward hurts; many of our opponents equivalents have doubly stuck the boot in with goals from the 50m arc over the last five games. Is he playing better than Sturt, who can actually kick goals? I don't know, but he is definitely a selection panel favorite in that he gets a lot of benefit of the doubt just because he trains well and does the team things.

Shultz has also probably been just off the mark; recently he has been getting very far up the ground, not sure whether that is intentional or whether that teams are deliberately pushing that to happen. I always look at him as a Ballantyne kind of forward and his stats are still comparable to that. I see the next option behind him being Tom Emmett and he was in really good form until he sort of got stuck in the no man's land of being an emergency and not being playing at WAFL level.

I think there is a psychology that the coaching panel have with the forwards that mean that we will always favor smalls that lay lots of tackles over being goal kickers. For mine it is why Henry is now a midfielder and why Sturt is on the verge of not getting a new contract for the next season. I strongly think that if we had Pickett we would play him as winger. We can probably afford to have that attitude if we were smashing the centre midfield battles and having great rebound from defence, but when we don't then I think you kind of need to take whatever you can get in terms of cheap goals.

 

[s_wd6]

I think so too and maybe not even a year
Look at Ryan
Was bog average start of the year and last couple of games has been amazing

Cox actually started the year really well. His first few games were backing up his best last year. I think it becomes a confidence issue when the teams doing poorly.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Carlton supporters are rightfully confident given what we've been trotting out in first quarters this year...

When are they ever not confident?

But yeah they should be. Their mids will beat us up most likely. I think they will beat us.

Plus they've had a good run against us lately.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

What's the point in having players on the list if you aren't actually going to play them

This is Peter Bell at his best, put lines through blokes and never play them ever again no matter what they do or what we need.
And no matter what the coach wants, just no, A and B and C never play again.

Why waste list spots on Wilson but not play him when Ryan was clearly hobbled, why bother keeping Sturt if he never gets four games in a row, why give Colyer a one year deal just to sink him at Peel, why keep Worner on the list just to keep him off seniors??

Yet Banfield, Hughes and JOM get selected week after week after week.
Oh but hey lets get Corbett in just to sink him at Peel all year...

 

[Dockeroo]

This is Peter Bell at his best, put lines through blokes and never play them ever again no matter what they do or what we need.
And no matter what the coach wants, just no, A and B and C never play again.

Why waste list spots on Wilson but not play him when Ryan was clearly hobbled, why bother keeping Sturt if he never gets four games in a row, why give Colyer a one year deal just to sink him at Peel, why keep Worner on the list just to keep him off seniors??

Yet Banfield, Hughes and JOM get selected week after week after week.
Oh but hey lets get Corbett in just to sink him at Peel all year...

Sometimes you make good points (Sturt) but other times the things you say make no sense at all, and discredit the good points.
I’d agree with the point on Colyer - why extend him for one year when he’s clearly going to be delisted? He won’t play again this season. It seems he was “rewarded” for being a good bloke with a one year deal. That’s one less rookie pick or late ND pick that we could have had instead.

I don’t know why you hate JOM? It feels like it’s personal for you with him, reading your posts. He’s a solid experienced contributor and is nowhere near being dropped.

Kuek - watch peel games. He’s nowhere near AFL level and would get monstered out there. The likes of Brayden Maynard and Jacob Weitering would be laughing if Kuek strolled out though the banner over the next few weeks to face them as a key forward. He’s a year of gymwork at least from impacting, if at all.
Agree on Banfield but he’s at least gone… for now. Hughes will be dropped when Chapman returns.
Worner is pretty close but as you say the MC is very conservative unfortunately.