Changes Round 2 vs West Coast

[BRWB]

The media has a lot to answer for on Boyd.

Yes, he got a very big contract, but he only did what every other 19-20 year old kid would have done in the same position. It was a great opportunity and a chance to come home.

The likes of Barrett and his other f***wit mates who can't help themselves by mentioning the money Boyd is getting in every single article or appearance on radio/TV, deserve a flogging.

No doubt the media has contributed to his current mental health struggles and they should be ashamed of themselves. It's nobody's business but the club and Boyd what he gets paid, so the media can go and f*** themselves. Depression is an awful thing and the way it messes with you mind is hard to understand if you haven't had it.

As far as I'm concerned, Boyd has been worth every cent of what we paid and are paying for him. With Bevo's man management skills, he'll get him back to his best.

I admire your faith...sort of...

Bev isnt infallible. His man mangement skills did not work with someone with far more talent than Tom Boyd and he was booted.

I don't think it's that, I just think we need to see how the rest of the season plays out. He missed over two months of the club program/match fitness in the back end of last season so a lot of his preseason would have been dedicated to restoring that. With an injury in that period it would have been difficult for him to get back to that point.

He just has to start showing more consistency and imposing himself on games more, but I think it's reasonable to suggest that we need to see how he works into the season before sticking the boots in.

Tom was recruited on the big money as a KPF. I have seen zero evidence that Tom will become a decent KPF mainly due to his incredibly poor marking with his back to goal (ie as a fwd)

I dont see that changing.

Even the hard corers in here have largely resigned themselves to Tom being an extremely well paid ruck.

By all means support Tom in his ruck endeavours (in the VFL or wherever), but I do think its a bit unfair to criticise the media for being critical when there remains such a huge gap between what he was recruited and paid to do and what he actually does.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Cheers for the eye witness news.

Some posters here clearly want to blame the media somehow.
80% of toyds footy has been disinterested and mis timing leaps and dropping marks he should have taken... yet media reporting it cop abuse

Call a spade a spade.
Glad u thought not quite as bad as reported

if anybody should have the blame its the club. we invested in a multi million dollar project and we employ Hansen, gia to work with boyd.
FFS go out and get the best specialist coach

 

[Libba39]

Maybe on Tippett, but they got more than what they paid for Buddy. He’s worth every cent

I think you're missing my point. Boyd has played one 9/10 game in his life and was average before and after it.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

I think you're missing my point. Boyd has played one 9/10 game in his life and was average before and after it.

 

[DexterTan]

It was tongue in cheek. Relax.

I do the same.

That's the problem with this board. Too many "tongue in cheek" posts that are irrelevant and just wastes everyone's time. Let's just stick to
footy shall we and see if the dogs can stop Darling from kicking 5 goals or more.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

That's the problem with this board. Too many "tongue in cheek" posts that are irrelevant and just wastes everyone's time. Let's just stick to
footy shall we and see if the dogs can stop Darling from kicking 5 goals or more.

their ruck lycett will kick a bag also

 

[Dogs Rule]

their ruck lycett will kick a bag also

What do you reckon? Eagles to kick 30 goals? Think we'll even score?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

When do most big men come into their prime? I would say mid 20s, but maybe I'm just a lone voice on this one.

cmon that is a myth
a lot of the current KFP showed greatness early in their careers.
franklin, roughhead showed it inside 3 years
hawkins 4th year
j kennedy 4thyear
jack riewoldt 3rd year
tom lynch 2nd year
Jeremy cameron 2nd year

and here we are boyd is still playing vfl in his 5th year

 

[Dog 36]

Just one thing on Boyd and it's important to note this.

When Roughy went down with his hammy preseason 2017 and Campbell was also injured I'm pretty sure Boyd played in the ruck for the team under some duress due to his mental health issues. As soon as Roughy came back is when Boyd took leave. On this basis I say his commitment to the team is there.

I'm still thinking it's a wait and see with Tom still young and around 50 game mark. I think he will come good for us but there is that small doubt that this may not end well.

 

[Braybrook Son]

if anybody should have the blame its the club. we invested in a multi million dollar project and we employ Hansen, gia to work with boyd.
FFS go out and get the best specialist coach

Exactly this. This is what pisses me off the most. Go and get a Carey, Lloyd or some specialist to mentor Boyd. Even Chris Grant FFS. Why just let an investment rot in the VFL? Seriously, why? I remember when Macca was still coaching, I heard that Barry Hall put his hand up to be our part time forward coach and Macca told him to piss off. Wasn’t happy hearing that. I feel our club are like a poor man that has just won the lottery. We don’t know how to handle success. Does anybody else feel like this?

 

[BRWB]

I don't 'claim' to have knowledge of depression, I've had it, and it's always there lingering in the background, even when you get better. For what it's worth, the club admitted he was dealing with clinical depression. Plenty of reports about it last year.

The amazing thing here is that he's still only 22.

When do most big men come into their prime? I would say mid 20s, but maybe I'm just a lone voice on this one.

I admire your optimism. I dont recall a fwd with Boyds marking flaws ever being any good as a KPF but I could be wrong.

My only point on depression (which I posted in error and deleted as Im not an expert)was that you appeared to be blaming the media for Boyd's depression. If his depression was reactive or situational maybe but as you say, he has chronic which I understand is more innate for want of a better term. But i dont pretend to know the intricacies of it and apologize.

It just appears that with Boyd there is a culture of blame for Tom's low performance. Its Twitter or the media's fault for Hurting his feelings. Or its Bev's fault for recognising that Tom is low intensity and can't catch and playing him out of position in the ruck. Its everyone else's fault for expecting a no 1 KPF giant on a million a year in his fifth year to be able to catch and play in the ones.

It just seems to be everybody else's fault with Tom....it kind of shits me.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Seriously, why? I remember when Macca was still coaching, I heard that Barry Hall put his hand up to be our part time forward coach and Macca told him to piss off. Wasn’t happy hearing that.

Haven't heard that one before. That's terrible.

 

[Fossie 32]

Exactly this. This is what pisses me off the most. Go and get a Carey, Lloyd or some specialist to mentor Boyd. Even Chris Grant FFS. Why just let an investment rot in the VFL? Seriously, why? I remember when Macca was still coaching, I heard that Barry Hall put his hand up to be our part time forward coach and Macca told him to piss off. Wasn’t happy hearing that. I feel our club are like a poor man that has just won the lottery. We don’t know how to handle success. Does anybody else feel like this?

 

[Braybrook Son]

Haven't heard that one before. That's terrible.

What? Terrible if true?

 

[BRWB]

Why? Baz clearly lacked self control when put under pressure. Not the best example around kids in a high pressure environment...

Couldn't mark overhead anyway

Maybe I'm just grumpy..

.

 

[Ricky_Lake]

Well it appears that Toyd has become the whipping boy of 2018. Pretty sad i must say. Most of the posters on here are old enough to be his father. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture here. Tom is only a boy, he has missed a lot of football due to his mental health and these thing cant be rushed, it will take as long as it takes. It wont improve any faster because of the money he is on, in fact it probably is exacerbating his condition due to need to perform to show his worth.
To many cyber tough guys out there who can slag off a young man on the computer but i bet would be too gutless to have a crack at him or say something to his face.
I suggest taking ones frustrations on something other than young individuals who pull on the RED,WHITE AND BLUE for this club.
Have a crack at me i'm old enough to dish it and take it.

 

[BRWB]

Well it appears that Toyd has become the whipping boy of 2018. Pretty sad i must say. Most of the posters on here are old enough to be his father. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture here. Tom is only a boy, he has missed a lot of football due to his mental health and these thing cant be rushed, it will take as long as it takes. It wont improve any faster because of the money he is on, in fact it probably is exacerbating his condition due to need to perform to show his worth.
To many cyber tough guys out there who can slag off a young man on the computer but i bet would be too gutless to have a crack at him or say something to his face.
I suggest taking ones frustrations on something other than young individuals who pull on the RED,WHITE AND BLUE for this club.
Have a crack at me i'm old enough to dish it and take it.

Yep. Spot on re Boyd. Its all the medias and social medias fault. Anyone criticising him is inherently flawed and gutless for saying he can't mark. Only shit people who are cyber tough guys critcise footy players for not being able to mark. Gotcha.

I note its now the money's fault too.

Stupid money.

Lets add that to the list of reasons Tom isn't playing or is playing twos.

 

[Ricky_Lake]

Yep. Spot on re Boyd. Its all the medias and social medias fault. Anyone criticising him is inherently flawed and gutless for saying he can't mark. Only shit people who are cyber tough guys critcise footy players for not being able to mark. Gotcha.

I note its now the money's fault too.

Stupid money.

Lets add that to the list of reasons Tom isn't playing or is playing twos.

I think you need take a some blood pressure tablets with your can of coke and go have a nap before the game today old mate,
The focus should be on the whole playing group as a unit rather than singling out one individual.

 

[BRWB]

I think you need take a some blood pressure tablets with your can of coke and go have a nap before the game today old mate,
The focus should be on the whole playing group as a unit rather than singling out one individual.

Good point. I need my Bex.

And you have a great day. And I just know Bev won't single out anyone as you say.

She'll be jake m8.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Well it appears that Toyd has become the whipping boy of 2018. Pretty sad i must say. Most of the posters on here are old enough to be his father. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture here. Tom is only a boy, he has missed a lot of football due to his mental health and these thing cant be rushed, it will take as long as it takes. It wont improve any faster because of the money he is on, in fact it probably is exacerbating his condition due to need to perform to show his worth.
To many cyber tough guys out there who can slag off a young man on the computer but i bet would be too gutless to have a crack at him or say something to his face.
I suggest taking ones frustrations on something other than young individuals who pull on the RED,WHITE AND BLUE for this club.
Have a crack at me i'm old enough to dish it and take it.

Let's not forget Boyds indiscretion with cordy

I suppose that is the medias fault also

 

[Ricky_Lake]

Let's not forget Boyds indiscretion with cordy

I suppose that is the medias fault also

Welcome aboard the slagging Wagon, amazes me that people think Toyd is looking blame people.
RE your Cordy comment, as i said Tom is a boy. I have a son the same age, so that shit happens between mates so storm in a tea cup.

 

[Sharkey66]

We or the media?

Don't think he's ever been backed in by Bevo except out of necessity late in 2016 to be honest. He doesn't see him as a forward either which structurally hurts us imo.

We as in the western Bulldogs footy club. Agree with what you said but looks to me that we have totally destroyed his confidence.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Welcome aboard the slagging Wagon, amazes me that people think Toyd is looking blame people.
RE your Cordy comment, as i said Tom is a boy. I have a son the same age, so that shit happens between mates so storm in a tea cup.

yeh lets just sweep it under the carpet.
he didnt have any credits in the bank at the time, he was out of the team
lets not forget he missed out playing 2015 finals.

 

[BRWB]

Welcome aboard the slagging Wagon, amazes me that people think Toyd is looking blame people.
RE your Cordy comment, as i said Tom is a boy. I have a son the same age, so that shit happens between mates so storm in a tea cup.

Amazing you've drawn that conclusion.

No one has said Boyd makes excuses. Why would he need to with fans like your good self around?

Everything you say just reinforces my point that certain people (hey if any critic is a gutles cyber bully you can be a delusional fanboy eh ..) make excuse after excuse for Boyd not performing adequately for much of his career and attack anyone for saying so.

 

[Fossie 32]

Why? Baz clearly lacked self control when put under pressure. Not the best example around kids in a high pressure environment...

Couldn't mark overhead anyway

Maybe I'm just grumpy..

.

Definitely Baz was not a good role model for self control [hopefully he could teach players what *not* to do there] but a brilliant natural forward. I had always thought he would be ideal to teach Tom forward craft and to hear he actually offered and was turned down is crazy IMHO.