List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

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I haven't seen a thing from him to suggest midfielder.
Sticky hands although most good forwards have them.
Played a few good games and loads of nothing games.

With only 25 senior games under his belt there isn't a great sample size so happy for you to think that. Those sticky hands also on display in terms of his ground ball gets. Moves well through traffic and has good vision and good awareness. I think this year we'll start to see him spend more time in a high HF role. We'll see what that brings. As I said, time will tell.
 
With only 25 senior games under his belt there isn't a great sample size so happy for you to think that. Those sticky hands also on display in terms of his ground ball gets. Moves well through traffic and has good vision and good awareness. I think this year we'll start to see him spend more time in a high HF role. We'll see what that brings. As I said, time will tell.

James Hird's 25th game was a pretty special effort. Anyone who wasn't convinced about him by that stage who saw him that day had their minds changed.
 
I wish we'd been able to find another way to get into next year's R2 - maybe by trading a 2024 pick + a player during the 2023 trade period

Would have been good to grab Cowan
- That allows you to get the best result / speed off the HBF
Ryan + Cowan - great if one makes it, bonus if they both do
Allows us to also delist Ruscoe if he doesn't come on this year but leave us ok with positional back up
 

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Who’d you take Ben McKay RFA ( probably means North get pick 1 or 2 costing us No draft picks ) or DeKoning with the Blues salary cap squeeze costing us a First and maybe 3rd rounder ?
 
Who’d you take Ben McKay RFA ( probably means North get pick 1 or 2 costing us No draft picks ) or DeKoning with the Blues salary cap squeeze costing us a First and maybe 3rd rounder ?

I’d be all over him if I was Wrighty. He’d make the rivalry against the Blues even more tantalising and Moore and Howe would have a field day in defence.


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Who’d you take Ben McKay RFA ( probably means North get pick 1 or 2 costing us No draft picks ) or DeKoning with the Blues salary cap squeeze costing us a First and maybe 3rd rounder ?

McKay for sure!
 
I haven't seen a thing from him to suggest midfielder.
Sticky hands although most good forwards have them.
Played a few good games and loads of nothing games.
He's shown a few nice evasive tricks, but he's also been pretty fumbly below his knees.
 
With only 25 senior games under his belt there isn't a great sample size so happy for you to think that. Those sticky hands also on display in terms of his ground ball gets. Moves well through traffic and has good vision and good awareness. I think this year we'll start to see him spend more time in a high HF role. We'll see what that brings. As I said, time will tell.
I think he was our fumbliest player below the knees last year.
 
Who’d you take Ben McKay RFA ( probably means North get pick 1 or 2 costing us No draft picks ) or DeKoning with the Blues salary cap squeeze costing us a First and maybe 3rd rounder ?

Collingwood salary cap squeeze - AA ruck traded for mid-2nd round pick + majority of hefty salary off the books.

Carlton salary cap squeeze - young (backup) ruck with potential but still largely unproven = mid-to-late 1st round + third round pick plus likely a fairly hefty salary for someone at his stage of development / output.

You may very well be right with the asking price for TDK, but given our shift away from rucks as a focus should we be paying it?
 
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Henry has shown zero to suggest midfielder. I can think of plenty more options before he would even come into the equation.

Rinse repeat. Don’t know how many times I need to tell posters I’m happy for them to think that. I’ve offered my opinion, you disagree, I don’t give a ****.

I’ll leave it there.
 
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Rinse repeat. Don’t know how many times I need to tell posters I’m happy for them to think that. I’ve offered my opinion, you disagree, I don’t give a *.

I’ll leave it there.
Pretty intense there mate. Don't know how many times you need to tell us? You don't give a *

Fine you offered an opinion. Don't let it get to you.
 
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I’d be all over him if I was Wrighty. He’d make the rivalry against the Blues even more tantalising and Moore and Howe would have a field day in defence.


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That's the Eric Shinboner spirit.
 
We just raided Brisbanes.
We are still a good one short, if we don’t see improvement from what we have in the pipeline (Kelly and Dean…assuming Frampton comes good as well) we’ll need to draft or trade for a proper tall contested marking beast in the forward line. From the limited sample size, neither Mihocek or McStay will have teams super concerned come finals when we’re bombing it into 50 off extreme pressure on ball.
 
From Wright's interview. Sounds like we'll go after players but not big names.

Ben McKay a big name?


MM: On the back of that, can we expect Collingwood to have a fair crack at free agency as early as the next 12 months?

GW: Yeah, we will be active.

MM: How active? And are there any big names you are chasing?

GW: Not so much a big name. But we will be really active, whether that be free agency or trade.

GM: Do you feel as if the salary cap handcuffs are off now?

GW: We have tried to be really smart about how we have spent our money, but also what we are giving up to get players. (In 2021) we had no picks because we had Nick (Daicos) coming in. We could have gone into deficit for picks to get Nick through the doors, but we are able to get through that, and bring in (Patrick) Lipinski and Kreuger. We didn’t feel like we paid overs money-wise and we didn’t think we paid overs with what we gave up in trade value. That’s what we did last year. Dan (McStay) comes in as a free agent, Bobby (Hill) is a future second, Billy (Frampton) is a future third, and Tom (Mitchell) was a couple of third round picks. We didn’t feel like we gave up a massive amount. But we were able to maintain pretty much what we wanted with our own players, we kept Jordy (De Goey), signed Darcy (Moore) early in the year, so we were able to keep the majority of the group together.

THE GRUNDY TRADE

GM:
Was the decision to trade Brodie Grundy a salary cap issue first and foremost?

GW: As much as anything, it was the (salary) cap. We were pretty open with Brodie and his management. In the end, the decision is not a short term one, it is a medium to long term one for us. What had happened in the past had happened and we had to deal on what was going to happen going forward.

MM: Philosophically, do you believe in long-term contracts?

GW: You have to in the modern game because if you don’t, you don’t keep Darcy Moore or you don’t keep Jordy. If you don’t, you are not in the game.

MM: Was there any bitterness in the final decision?

GW: Certainly not on my part, and I don’t believe on Brodie’s. He felt a bit broken-hearted that he was leaving and thought he would be here forever. But that’s business and things change. Brodie and myself and Robbie D’Orazio (Grundy’s manager) and Fly got together at Robbie’s house and said we are doing it. We shake hands and we wish each other well and we move on.

GM: Has the club got enough ruck stocks to counter the loss of Grundy?

GW: We’ve been really happy with Coxy and Darcy (Cameron) over the summer. We feel Aiden Begg is coming through as a young ruck, and we have just brought in Oscar Steene. They do get injured a lot, the rucks. Leigh Matthews used to say that you need six of them, and we have got four. In the final last year, (Nathan) Kreuger went in and played a role. We have (Billy) Frampton if we need to go to that, and Dan McStay can ruck as well.

Grundy’s exit ‘the best thing for Collingwood’

The arrival of McStay occurred in the same off-season as Brodie Grundy’s departure, but that was the only connection. McRae was eager to stress that one deal was not contingent on the other.

“I want to go on record saying that there’s been some misguidance around Brodie having to leave to fit Dan McStay in. It’s just not true,” he said.
McRae was an assistant coach at Collingwood when Grundy was drafted. He worked with him in development roles for his first five years so the pair had a strong relationship.

“We were talking for an hour about what that could look like and then the reality is I think it’s the best thing for the Collingwood Football Club that he does move on. That was where we got to, but it was through a heavy heart and a compromise because I really care about you Brodie but bottom line we make decisions for what we think is best for the football club and we made that one at that time.”
 
From Wright's interview. Sounds like we'll go after players but not big names.







I reckon Wrighty would be carefully monitoring Fiorini. Hopefully he’s out of favour again this season and we can get him in cheap.


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I reckon Wrighty would be carefully monitoring Fiorini. Hopefully he’s out of favour again this season and we can get him in cheap.


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Only thing now is that he has spread his money out and extended his contract.

Fiorini returned to the club ahead of his eighth season, when he was due to become a free agent, but signed a two-year contract extension through to the end of 2025.
 
Is Ben McKay a big name?

I don’t really get the hype, personally.
 
Think we'll be targeting Darcy Parish given how annoyed he is with Essendon.
 
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