Exactly - I would be surprised if Houston said yes to the Kangas.
If Port don't trade Houston then how do they trade for Luko?
So imo Houston is leaving, That offer is better than what Carlton are offering?
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Exactly - I would be surprised if Houston said yes to the Kangas.
If Port don't trade Houston then how do they trade for Luko?
So imo Houston is leaving, That offer is better than what Carlton are offering?
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Maybe that’s how the deal occurs in your mind but the reality would be:
Collingwood gives: Noble, F1, Richards
Gets: Houston
GC: Give 13, Lukosious
Gets: F1, Noble, 39 (or Ports 3rd rounder)
Port give: Houston, 39 (or 3rd rounder)
Get: Richards, Lukosious, 13
The whole convoluted scenario you just posted is splitting the deal up in to individual deals which defeats the point of a 3 way trade. Keep it basic. What do they give, and what do they get.
This whole thing about Port giving up 13 for Lukosious (which would never happen btw) is something extra you’ve just added. Don’t try to break down the deal posted, change it and then call it unfair please.
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On the bolded, think you’ve misinterpreted it. It’s been reported that it’s between Port and us keeping him. A week ago they thought he was port bound but now they’re not sure, that’s all. There’s no hold up from Port, they’ve offered Richards a deal, they’re not going to withdraw it just because Carlton put Owies on the table.
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I’ve seen a few posters struggle with this pick 13 business. We don’t have pick 13 right now. To get kick 13 we would need to trade Noble (and whatever else). But if we on trade pick 13 to Port, we are NOT giving up pick 13 AND Noble because we could never have had pick 13 without trading Noble. So essentially pick 13 and Noble are the same asset.
We’re not giving away 2 assets. We never had one of them to begin with. If you sell your house for cash then buy another house, you didn’t pay your house AND the money you got for your house. You paid with the money you got for your house.
We’re not giving away 2 assets. We never had one of them to begin with. If you sell your house for cash then buy another house, you didn’t pay your house AND the money you got for your house. You paid with the money you got for your house.
Maybe the hold up is because trade week hasn’t started yet
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A simple, yet plausible scenarioMaybe the hold up is because trade week hasn’t started yet
Doesn't stop him from saying he wants out, either to the media or the club. We know the former hasn't happened, and judging from McRae's comments at the Copeland, the latter hasn't either.Maybe the hold up is because trade week hasn’t started yet
Compare with Noble, where we've known for a while he would like a trade to be done if possible.
No doubt there are probably a number of factors/permutations that will delay deals involving Houston and, by association, Noble/Richards/Lukosius.
My best guess is that we’re seeking to confirm what Port is willing to accept for Houston and that until we have a better idea of this, the Richards and Noble deals will be delayed. Houston to me appears to be the first domino for a number of trades.
I sense though that Carlton will ultimately find a way to satisfy Port, particularly in light of both North and us entering the conversation. Due to the increased risk they now aren't able to stonewall to the same degree that they may otherwise have; Port can now use North and us to push the price, especially given Houston remains contracted.
My best guess is that we’re seeking to confirm what Port is willing to accept for Houston and that until we have a better idea of this, the Richards and Noble deals will be delayed. Houston to me appears to be the first domino for a number of trades.
I sense though that Carlton will ultimately find a way to satisfy Port, particularly in light of both North and us entering the conversation. Due to the increased risk they now aren't able to stonewall to the same degree that they may otherwise have; Port can now use North and us to push the price, especially given Houston remains contracted.
No official links either way so far. Aka Houston hasn’t nominated any team. Just that in his exit interview asked to come back (be traded) to Victoria.
I’m sure plenty of posturing going on behind the scenes by his manager and clubs overall.
Won’t be too long before we all find out if he stays or if he goes. Then where to and how. If he goes.
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Bit of a rarity here....
There’s no rule in place that states players need to publicly declare intentions ahead of time. Noble had family reasons.
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Hopefully Port stay filthy with Carlton.
Can only help us.
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We must be in the box seat with noble as part of the deal
You actually called it a hold up. There’s no hold up. The deal will either happen or not happen in the fullness of time. Just because some trade stories play out more in the public forum than others doesn’t mean they all do it all should.
Once you declare your hand that you want out it’s very difficult to come skulking back. Given the moving pieces here between port CG and Collingwood, not to mention other clubs banging down the door for Houston, it would be a bit presumptuous of a second year player to just demand a trade before the trade week has commenced.
He was a Brownlow medallist 6-7 years ago. C'mon.
Let's have a balanced view here on our players and not have our heads in the sand.
Mitchell is a serviceable role player, but he is no longer a star player. He hasn't been for several years. Why are we making out otherwise?
That’s what you wanted wasn’t it?
All trades pan out differently and in this case there are a few moving parts as to the reason why he’s not playing this out in public.
Not a holdup though
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Richards may not publicly say anything. His trade could be delayed until Noble is done.
We want pick 13.
We want pick 13.
I want to know and I want to know NOW
Bottom line is Port want two first rounders as their starting price.
The deal that Apex posted works perfectly to suit all parties, and is the most likely way it gets done.
The hold up is Richards not declaring what he is doing, but you would imagine he would have already signed if he was staying, although Fly mentioned he was looking forward to him playing for us in years to come.
Port could trade F2 for Lukosuis and keep Houston, which is why he hasn't nominated anywhere yet.
So much going on behind the scenes and soon enough we will find out what it is.
The deal that Apex posted works perfectly to suit all parties, and is the most likely way it gets done.
The hold up is Richards not declaring what he is doing, but you would imagine he would have already signed if he was staying, although Fly mentioned he was looking forward to him playing for us in years to come.
Port could trade F2 for Lukosuis and keep Houston, which is why he hasn't nominated anywhere yet.
So much going on behind the scenes and soon enough we will find out what it is.
You seem caught up on the words "hold up". As I've said, it's just speculation on why his intentions haven't been declared, no different than your speculation.
Agree that deals play out with different levels of public statements. I was just wondering whether there is some uncertainty on the Port side. Given Richards is a minor deal it's quite possible there would be certain conditions where they'd decide against a deal.
Alternatively there could be uncertainty on Richards side, or no uncertainty at all.
