List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 Part 3

[BEEG]

Just for you Beeg

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Love it, don't need a trade now.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Rockliffe staying at Brisbane, will see out his contract.

 

[Tassiepies83]

Agreed.. knuckle down and get your spot back.

His 2015 form was exceptional.

hope he stays but he needs to work hard on his kicking!!!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Love it, don't need a trade now.

Amen

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't think that's the issue UI. The pattern I'm seeing this offseason is that they are getting rid of the following;

A. One Dimensional players.
B. Poor Kicks

Cloke, Frost, Brown, Witts and Williams all fall into one of. It both of those categories.
I'd give Williams a one year deal but I personally don't like his chances.

Witts doesnt fall into that category at all. He falls into the "specialist ruck who isnt as good as Grundy" category. Too good and valuable to waste in the VFL.

Cloke Brown and Frost are one dimensional by definition. They are specialists. All teams have them, especially in key position.

Williams is potentially multidimensional and not a terrible kick when in form. He just had a bad year for whatever reason.

I think youre inventing trading strategies that arent neccessarily there.

 

[Maggie5]

Think that the best one liner by Cochrane (re O'Meara and Hawthorn)I have heard in a long time and hope that I can use it sometime:

"Promised him the world and gave him an atlas".

 

[MagpieJoel]

This is a good point in regards to the salary cap:

 

[wicksy]

This is a good point in regards to the salary cap:

What are the chances of it being less than this year? I would highly doubt that.

 

[ThePhantom777]

I don't think that's the issue UI. The pattern I'm seeing this offseason is that they are getting rid of the following;

A. One Dimensional players.
B. Poor Kicks.

Cloke, Frost, Brown, Witts and Williams all fall into one if not both of those categories.
I'd give Williams a one year deal but I personally don't like his chances.

How has Marley fallen so badly?

 

[TradeDraft]

Good

 

[MagpieJoel]

What are the chances of it being less than this year? I would highly doubt that.

True. Though, I read recently that clubs have been working on the assumption that it will increase. I'm assuming his point is not to go to much over the current cap, because we don't know what it will be yet.

 

[Breakthelines]

Witts doesnt fall into that category at all. He falls into the "specialist ruck who isnt as good as Grundy" category. Too good and valuable to waste in the VFL.

Cloke Brown and Frost are one dimensional by definition. They are specialists. All teams have them, especially in key position.

Williams is potentially multidimensional and not a terrible kick when in form. He just had a bad year for whatever reason.

I think youre inventing trading strategies that arent neccessarily there.

Witts is one dimensional...can't play forward at all, unlike a lot of Ruckman.
The days are gone of players like Cloke, Brown and Frost. Don't get enough of the ball and are all shit kicks.
Williams is almost the worst kick in our team. Yes he can play a variety of roles but that's useless if you can't hit a target.

 

[ChubbyGallon]

Did you see that the AFL have given Geelong permission to use a Future 1st Round Pick again this year to get the Touhey deal over the line??

 

[Smoky]

What are the chances of it being less than this year? I would highly doubt that.

But what if its 10% more and you have to find a way to spend a shitload more to draftees just so you meet the mandatory 95% of the cap? (or whatever the mandatory is)

 

[Breakthelines]

How has Marley fallen so badly?

Don't get me wrong I'm a Williams fan but his kicking and decision making is yuck.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Cannot believe Witts, Cloke, Frost, Cloke, Dunn and maybe WHE will all be done on the last day of the trade period.

Time to shorten.. clubs just taking the piss.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Witts is one dimensional...can't play forward at all, unlike a lot of Ruckman..

Same as Grundy then. Most specialist first rucks are pretty useless forward. Thats why most teams run a specialist first ruck and a mobile ruck-forward combination. And thats why Witts has to leave...because hes behind White and Cox for that second ruck position.

He needs to play at a club that has a vacancy for a first ruck. Its only about opportunity for him.

 

[Breakthelines]

Same as Grundy then

Yet Grundy gets clearances, lays tackles and kicks goals. Witts doesn't do any of that at AFL level.

 

[Daicos Daze]

Good

Oh well back to his urine testing

 

[Smoky]

Did you see that the AFL have given Geelong permission to use a Future 1st Round Pick again this year to get the Touhey deal over the line??

Round 1 pick for him???

Really?

 

[TradeDraft]

Cannot believe Witts, Cloke, Frost, Cloke, Dunn and maybe WHE will all be done on the last day of the trade period.

Time to shorten.. clubs just taking the piss.

Agree. Trade period is way too long

 

[Lethal06]

Cannot believe Witts, Cloke, Frost, Cloke, Dunn and maybe WHE will all be done on the last day of the trade period.

Time to shorten.. clubs just taking the piss.

I like your idea of trading Cloke twice!

 

[Roverjg]

It would be a crime to de-list Williams yet keep Blair, Oxley, Sinclair, Thomas & Langdon. At his best, Williams is better than all of those guys. Why is everyone so cold on him? He's aggressive, fast and breaks the lines. He's the closest thing we have to JJ at W.Bulldogs, who everyone seems in love with. Williams mightn't have had a good year, but has shown enough times that his upside potential is substantial. If we show faith in him, it could really pay off. We can't afford to be giving away players with demonstrated upside for nothing in return.[/QUOTE
There is rumoured to be significant/multiple issues regarding Marley which allegedly caused a divide amongst the playing group

I agree that we has poor this year but has been much better previously. Clearly he was down on on form & confidence and perhaps outside distractions but it wasn't that long ago that he was being spoken of in AA calculations. I don't believe in abandoning someone whose peak level is so high. Perhaps a change of position would freshen him up. I'd give him a go on the wing, with Crisp pushed back onto a HBF. Regardless, he's too good to simply de-list.

It is indicated that Rockliff's team-mates have issues with him. It is rumoured that Marley's team-mates have issues with him. It is not all about form. Sometimes it is easier to trade out if possible

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yet Grundy gets clearances, lays tackles and kicks goals. Witts doesn't do any of that at AFL level.

They both average 0.4 goals per game

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I like your idea of trading Cloke twice!

No wonder its taking so long