VFL Round 3 Carlton v Collingwood 2.05pm Sunday 14th April

[domus]

What a beast! Why hasn't he been picked up?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Not when you replied - “the urgency is team success in 2024”.
You were unambiguously saying the opposite ie retirement was linked to success.

That’s why I suggested you need to be more considered in what you post

Waste of time dealing with you.

 

[Ctracks]

The game itself. it did feel like we did have the bye. Was a bit scrappy. Was better as the game went on, and they started to take the game on.
Given it was his first full game since the pre-season games, Fin did well enough and led the way. He'll be better for the run. He was cooked by the end of the game though.

Allan showed good moments in patches, but still seems to drift in and out of games, which hopefully he finds some consistency this year. They had him playing inside, then swapped him and bytel between wing and inside. There was a number of players that rotated through the middle in the 2nd half. Sullivan did a couple CB, along with Sparkes too. But the main ones seemed to be Long, Fin and Allan as the main three.

It was very scrappy, but they showed heart and never give up attitude. That's one thing we know about both programs, afl and vfl, same sort of attitude in giving everything you have.

Crocker was really good in his first game of the season and against his old side. Didn't get a heap of of it, but more playing that forward role that suits him well.

Ned Long was very noticable. Just a real presence in the midfield and who can kick goals up forward. He's gonna be very good for us this year, as long as he doesn't get taken in MSD.
Hutchinson doesn't need much of it to make an impact. His got a strong body and knows how to impact the scoreboard.

Jiath is really starting to show his skills, the way he intercepts, he could be the one that might replace Howe once he retires.

Have they given up on Carmy in the wing role? Is it now forward or nothing? We know what he can do up forward, but starting to feel the beginning of the end for him. Starts in the midfield/forward role, then wing, now forward because he cant get the ball on the wing.



I saw Ryan at the game, was sporting a decent hand support for that hand injury he has. Hopefully he'll be back training soon.
Saw Reef, McStay, DeMattia -- who said he should be back in 2 weeks.

Carmichael is very limited - pinch hitter forward who can bob up for a couple goals.

 

[Ctracks]

I know of one listed pie who was stunned we took Bytel over Long after what they showed in pre season

Name the player. Was it ever made public?

 

[Jen2310]

And people saying Edward was average. 555
Follow synchronised swimming instead.

He was good. Drifted in and out in the middle, but came home strong in the last Q.
He's still finding his feet, but there was good signs.

 

[petrie pie]

You said it’s TIME for Murphy to make a decision - not sure how it can be interpreted other way than you deciding his life for him.

If this urgency is not linked to the MSD or LONG - then why is there any urgency at all?

Again you are talking the MSD and Long and again I reiterate I never mentioned either Long or the Msd,Unlike you I think it is fair enough for the player to give the club some indication about whether or not he plans to play again or do you think we should keep him on the list indefinitely for the duration of his contract without him never playing again.Nathan knows himself if he is going on again or not,2 yrs 3 yrs having to carry a player is too long without being able to pick them.

As I said you need a lot of luck every thing going right,waiting for a player to become engaged again is not what the club needs to win again,I myself would prefer to have another flag and do the right thing by Murphy but he has to do the right thing by the club.

If you want to keep arguing we can and I will but I do not think I will alter your mindset and you certainly will not change mine.

 

[Apex36]

I doubt very much it’s a lack of core strength causing him to be pushed aside. He’s at playing weight for his height.

Just because he’s at playing weight doesn’t mean he automatically has the neccessary core strength to compete as an inside mid. Not a lot of 19 year olds do.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I made it clear in my post about giving a nudge to Murphy that the rush is not for Murphy to retire but to get back into training and into the team to help us achieve success this year. I never mentioned Long or the MSD. Getting a new player in via MSD is obviously not going to contribute to any success this year nor probably in the future. I have no desire for Murphy to retire but I do want him to play.

Fair enough, maybe you said that in a previous post but not in the post I referred to.

I’d like Murphy back tomorrow too. And mcstay. And other youngsters like eyre and Demettia. They are letting the team down by selfishly being unavailable.

Read the post instead of being a smartarse, I absolutely recognised you are a long while out of the game when finished and he had more injuries and head knocks than most players get in their careers but he has to decide not me and not you if I thought it was safe for him to Play on I would be more than pleased.

You specifically say he’s had enough time

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

He was good. Drifted in and out in the middle, but came home strong in the last Q.
He's still finding his feet, but there was good signs.

Where are the quarter by quarter stats for VFL players to be found? I am interested to see what I missed of Allan's performance in the final quarter.

 

[Jen2310]

Where are the quarter by quarter stats for VFL players to be found? I am interested to see what I missed of Allan's performance in the final quarter.

Unfortunately the vfl app or afl version of the vfl stats doesn't have that.

 

[sr36]

Where are the quarter by quarter stats for VFL players to be found? I am interested to see what I missed of Allan's performance in the final quarter.

He got a fair bit of the footy in the last quarter, but it was pretty uneventful.

 

[pablo disco bar]

If Ned long was on the list

Just play him would be said!

 

[Jen2310]

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Fair enough, maybe you said that in a previous post but not in the post I referred to.

I’d like Murphy back tomorrow too. And mcstay. And other youngsters like eyre and Demettia. They are letting the team down by selfishly being unavailable.

My previous post contained the detail. The post you replied to didn't require the same detail. The other players you mentioned are all genuinely currently injured. Don't know why you lumped them in with Murphy. I have learned to take your 'fair enough' comments actually mean quite the opposite. Next time don't bother wasting your energy typing the words.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

He got a fair bit of the footy in the last quarter, but it was pretty uneventful.

Really? Try telling that to any of the Allan fan club members.

 

[stormskye]

The media are def giving Long a lot of airtime.

If his current form continues I’d certainly hope we are in his ear about forgoing the 6month contract in the MSD in which he could be forced to move interstate, for a guaranteed spot next season with us given his delisted status.

There’s some work we can do behind the scenes im sure. Unfortunately we can’t offer him a discounted property at Torquay like some

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

My previous post contained the detail. The post you replied to didn't require the same detail. The other players you mentioned are all genuinely currently injured. Don't know why you lumped them in with Murphy. I have learned to take your 'fair enough' comments actually mean quite the opposite. Next time don't bother wasting your energy typing the words.

Because Murphy is genuinely unavailable just as the others are genuinely injured

 

[TradeDraft]

The media are def giving Long a lot of airtime.

If his current form continues I’d certainly hope we are in his ear about forgoing the 6month contract in the MSD in which he could be forced to move interstate, for a guaranteed spot next season with us given his delisted status.

There’s some work we can do behind the scenes im sure. Unfortunately we can’t offer him a discounted property at Torquay like some

How could we Gurantee we pick him up when he be in the Draft?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Because Murphy is genuinely unavailable just as the others are genuinely injured

Fair enough!

 

[stormskye]

How could we Gurantee we pick him up when he be in the Draft?

“Players who have been delisted by their clubs have the freedom to join any rival that offers them a contract during these two periods, avoiding the need to enter the draft”

My understanding of Long is he can just accept a contract if we offer him one at the end of the season. The same as when stengle nominated Geelong

There’s a lot to play out obviously. He’s got decent attributes but needs to have a big season

 

[The Royal Sampler]

“Players who have been delisted by their clubs have the freedom to join any rival that offers them a contract during these two periods, avoiding the need to enter the draft”

My understanding of Long is he can just accept a contract if we offer him one at the end of the season. The same as when stengle nominated Geelong

There’s a lot to play out obviously. He’s got decent attributes but needs to have a big season

The difference is that (as we found out after the event) Stengle was not eligible for the MSD. Long is.

 

[stormskye]

The difference is that (as we found out after the event) Stengle was not eligible for the MSD. Long is.

True, but he still has to nominate. Just saying there’s an opportunity outside the MSD, but he may want to nominate. All up to him. And his form

 

[Jen2310]

A player is now eligible to nominate for the Mid-Season Rookie Draft (MSRD) under any of the following:

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[Sinoswooper]

If Ned long was on the list

Just play him would be said!

barring long term injury, Long will go in the MSD. Inside mid with size and strength, will be tempting for a few clubs.