List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[mat11]

Valid concern. I think paying 950k odd a year for any of Taylor, Weitering or Moore would be a good investment by the club but do not want to go past $1m a year in a bidding war. Other option would be to re-sign Oscar long term and beef up his 2025 contract as high as we can afford and smooth the years after. Would also be very happy with that.

Would see similar fracture to the group if you bought in tim english imo(unless flynn/williams combo is shite and Barnett isn't tracking well).the fact westcoast didn't even bother to get a KPD in this year's draft when there were heaps (murphy/zztop/shoenmaker) and easy to get says they rate bazzo very highly. Unless there is an actual position vacant I think you go to the draft. We are a bit lean in the mid and wings our best FA target should be Liam baker he fits the vacancy and would be the perfect age demographic

 

[eaglevision]

Would see similar fracture to the group if you bought in tim english imo(unless flynn/williams combo is shite and Barnett isn't tracking well).the fact westcoast didn't even bother to get a KPD in this year's draft when there were heaps (murphy/zztop/shoenmaker) and easy to get says they rate bazzo very highly. Unless there is an actual position vacant I think you go to the draft. We are a bit lean in the mid and wings our best FA target should be Liam baker he fits the vacancy and would be the perfect age demographic

Baker won’t be a free agent. He’s just OOC. I was also surprised we overlooked those names you mentioned late in the draft. Schoenmaker we even passed on when I think would have been better to have a crack with him than re-sign Trew. Obviously some s**t bloke stories floating around and if they are the reason then that’s fair enough, don’t want him. It’s also possible that we overlooked CHB because we have someone earmarked for the job and I don’t think Bazzo has shown enough yet for it to be him. I do hope we persist with him though, he deserves a free hit last year after what happened the poor bloke.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Re: Bailey Williams, if he is able to fix his set shot, I think he’ll be an effective FF swapping ruck. He’s shown enough to be given this opportunity and an extension. Letting him go at the end of this year would make us worse. Should A.Reid or Livingstone displace him in a few years then we look to offload but the end of 2024 is crazy.

Going into 2025 My concern with the forward line is that I feel you can only play 3 of Williams, Allen, Darling & Waterman and they’ve shown a propensity to pick Waterman the last two years (when fit) and JD is a club great.

 

[mat11]

Baker won’t be a free agent. He’s just OOC. I was also surprised we overlooked those names you mentioned late in the draft. Schoenmaker we even passed on when I think would have been better to have a crack with him than re-sign Trew. Obviously some s**t bloke stories floating around and if they are the reason then that’s fair enough, don’t want him. It’s also possible that we overlooked CHB because we have someone earmarked for the job and I don’t think Bazzo has shown enough yet for it to be him. I do hope we persist with him though, he deserves a free hit last year after what happened the poor bloke.

Ah OK I thought baker was available after the 2024 season, I think bazzo is good the club just needs to get games into him. When he comes in for someone he looks a bit vulnerable but if we could have him play that 3rd tall along side mcgovern and barass while he develops he will be fine a bit like barass with mcgovern/schoefield and mcgovern with glass/mckenzie

 

[mat11]

Re: Bailey Williams, if he is able to fix his set shot, I think he’ll be an effective FF swapping ruck. He’s shown enough to be given this opportunity and an extension. Letting him go at the end of this year would make us worse. Should A.Reid or Livingstone displace him in a few years then we look to offload but the end of 2024 is crazy.

Going into 2025 My concern with the forward line is that I feel you can only play 3 of Williams, Allen, Darling & Waterman and they’ve shown a propensity to pick Waterman the last two years (when fit) and JD is a club great.

I think there's room for b.williams and Waterman. Play Williams deep in goal square makes a mismatch for teams because oscar/darling get best 2 defenders. B.williams goes to Ruck when Flynn needs a spell and Waterman/maric come on to forward line

 

[Grahame]

Re: Bailey Williams, if he is able to fix his set shot, I think he’ll be an effective FF swapping ruck. He’s shown enough to be given this opportunity and an extension. Letting him go at the end of this year would make us worse. Should A.Reid or Livingstone displace him in a few years then we look to offload but the end of 2024 is crazy.

Going into 2025 My concern with the forward line is that I feel you can only play 3 of Williams, Allen, Darling & Waterman and they’ve shown a propensity to pick Waterman the last two years (when fit) and JD is a club great.

I’d add Maric to that list. Maric v Waterman. I recognise Jake has been a MC favourite and that he’s come back surprisingly well from a serious illness and he’s got a family pedigree BUT he’s now played 84 games.
While there have been a few very good games mostly he’d be in the bottom half (at best). For that reason I’d be either preferring Maric to start R1 or making clear to Jake he’s now on very thin ice.
We now finally have the players for that sort of upgrade - similarly for Gaff, Witho, Rotham and possibly Sheed and Petro.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

My worry with this is causing a fracture amongst the current playing group. On top of that, it doesn't give us that much flexibility with the cap if we need it. (RG/HR/EH/OA/NL/CH might all need sizeable contracts)

I also thing the GWS would have planned for this and we'll need to offer him even more over the same period.
(he also comes across as a very loyal type too - It'll need to XX special)

I wonder whether Kelly on his $900K caused any fractures?

Pure speculation on my part. Never heard this mentioned anywhere.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I think there's room for b.williams and Waterman. Play Williams deep in goal square makes a mismatch for teams because oscar/darling get best 2 defenders. B.williams goes to Ruck when Flynn needs a spell and Waterman/maric come on to forward line

With Waterman and JD if they get a mark up the ground, they’re a bit of a momentum killer. Take up the full time allocation only to chip sideways or long down the line.

I feel you could play Maric rather than both of Waterman & JD as he looks better suited further up the ground due to his better skills and he looks to take on aggressive kicks because of it.

 

[MrKennedy17]

Sumich: Eagles must be ruthless over Ryan talks

Before West Coast locks in a new list manager, Don Pyke should step into one piece of business and halt contract talks with Liam Ryan immediately, writes Peter Sumich.

thewest.com.au

Looks like Suma read what i wrote about Ryan
Talks about Gaff last season, Sheed & Yeo also in the Ryan category. Mention's Ginbey has Osteitis Pubis.

I'm in the Ruthless camp. These 3 definates and maybe Yeo to be off books end of 2024 if he does more of these injuries. I read what what Dermie Brereton wrote and i tend to agree if these senior players dont get out on the park this year for much of it
Ryan [Medical Retired]
Sheed [Medical Retired]
Gaff Age Retired
Yeo ??? I'm leaning 70% to 30 for him to retire.

The next 2 Trade/Draft/FreeAgency periods are key before Tasmania enters draft..Free Agents 25 n under.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I wonder whether Kelly on his $900K caused any fractures?

Pure speculation on my part. Never heard this mentioned anywhere.

Doubt it, otherwise more would have walked when it was their turn for their payday.

So far in recent times, only Lycett, and this was more so because you had three big players in the squad asking for their slice of the pie simultaneously. If you were to go back in time, you would have probably let Gaff walk/trade and probably keep Lycett.

 

[Keys]

Sumich: Eagles must be ruthless over Ryan talks

Before West Coast locks in a new list manager, Don Pyke should step into one piece of business and halt contract talks with Liam Ryan immediately, writes Peter Sumich.

thewest.com.au

Looks like Suma read what i wrote about Ryan
Talks about Gaff last season, Sheed & Yeo also in the Ryan category. Mention's Ginbey has Osteitis Pubis.

I'm in the Ruthless camp. These 3 definates and maybe Yeo to be off books end of 2024 if he does more of these injuries. I read what what Dermie Brereton wrote and i tend to agree if these senior players dont get out on the park this year for much of it
Ryan [Medical Retired]
Sheed [Medical Retired]
Gaff Age Retired
Yeo ??? I'm leaning 70% to 30 for him to retire.

The next 2 Trade/Draft/FreeAgency periods are key before Tasmania enters draft..Free Agents 25 n under.

The only players who become free agents under 26 are those who were delisted and then recontracted

Every other player doesn’t reach FA until they’ve been on a list for 8 years which is the year they turn 26

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Sumich: Eagles must be ruthless over Ryan talks

Before West Coast locks in a new list manager, Don Pyke should step into one piece of business and halt contract talks with Liam Ryan immediately, writes Peter Sumich.

thewest.com.au

Looks like Suma read what i wrote about Ryan
Talks about Gaff last season, Sheed & Yeo also in the Ryan category. Mention's Ginbey has Osteitis Pubis.

I'm in the Ruthless camp. These 3 definates and maybe Yeo to be off books end of 2024 if he does more of these injuries. I read what what Dermie Brereton wrote and i tend to agree if these senior players dont get out on the park this year for much of it
Ryan [Medical Retired]
Sheed [Medical Retired]
Gaff Age Retired
Yeo ??? I'm leaning 70% to 30 for him to retire.

The next 2 Trade/Draft/FreeAgency periods are key before Tasmania enters draft..Free Agents 25 n under.

All for being ruthless but we dont want to cut experience and end up like norf.

We need some old heads to bring the kids onboard. Although, I highly suspect Gaff will be done at the end of the year.

Ryan - Different hammy, as long as the medical team take it slow, I am sure he has another a few more seasons.
Sheed - If it isnt his body, it will be because others have gone past him. He'll have quite a bit of pressure on him starting now.
Yeo - Still has it, and we still need his aggression and big body in the contest to protect the kids. He just can't play there full time and will need to rotate through HBF. Hopefully can stay another 2 or 3 seasons before calling it his time.

 

[Off Tap]

Got any genuine mail there or just speculating?

Played some footy with his dad back in the day. Was talking about him just before xmas.

He's more than happy at the Swans and if he was to come back to WA it would likely be to Freo. It would only be the $$$ that got him back here though.

 

[eaglevision]

Played some footy with his dad back in the day. Was talking about him just before xmas.

He's more than happy at the Swans and if he was to come back to WA it would likely be to Freo. It would only be the $$$ that got him back here though.

Sounds like we can all move on form Logan pretty quickly then. Appreciate the mail, hopefully he has a good career at the Swans.

 

[mat11]

With Waterman and JD if they get a mark up the ground, they’re a bit of a momentum killer. Take up the full time allocation only to chip sideways or long down the line.

I feel you could play Maric rather than both of Waterman & JD as he looks better suited further up the ground due to his better skills and he looks to take on aggressive kicks because of it.

Three's probably a bit many, I think jd has to be there and that's healthy to have maric/Waterman competing for that last spot. To only have Waterman you'd be a bit exposed as both big defenders would team up on Oscar and you'd get away with a small/med defender on Waterman. Without the depth in the current list we need to play very smart. Marics field kicking is pretty schmick will be very keen to see how he goes with a pre season under his belt

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I am in the ruthless camp. Wait until post Round 15 before entering into any contract negotiations with Ryan, Sheed and Yeo. Verbally communicate to them some benchmarks in terms of games played and form they need to achieve this year to be confident of a contract offer. And if a contract is offered it needs to be one year at a time and not more money than any other club would pay them under the circumstances. No sentimentality.

If they want to sniff around for other/better offers elsewhere in the mean time they can. And if they do decide to leave there will be no hard feelings from the club and we will do our best to help them get to wherever they decide to go. But we need to see what they have to offer this year before we are able to put a price on what we think their services are worth and no matter what happens, given their injury issues, they will not be offered any more than one year at a time.

Just be totally straight up and honest with them, but he hard nosed and defend the club's interests and be willing to take the risk that they might decide to go. Even if they do go and even if they perform better than we thought they would it will not hurt us much given where we are on the ladder and in the development cycle anyway.

 

[Keys]

I am in the ruthless camp. Wait until post Round 15 before entering into any contract negotiations with Ryan, Sheed and Yeo. Verbally communicate to them some benchmarks in terms of games played and form they need to achieve this year to be confident of a contract offer. And if a contract is offered it needs to be one year at a time and not more money than any other club would pay them under the circumstances. No sentimentality.

If they want to sniff around for other/better offers elsewhere in the mean time they can. And if they do decide to leave there will be no hard feelings from the club and we will do our best to help them get to wherever they decide to go. But we need to see what they have to offer this year before we are able to put a price on what we think their services are worth and no matter what happens, given their injury issues, they will not be offered any more than one year at a time.

Just be totally straight up and honest with them, but he hard nosed and defend the club's interests and be willing to take the risk that they might decide to go. Even if they do go and even if they perform better than we thought they would it will not hurt us much given where we are on the ladder and in the development cycle anyway.

I’d be waiting until 2025 to begin negotiations with Sheed on a new contract. Round 15 seems too soon given he’s contracted for next year still per the post that’s stickied at the top of each page in this thread

People likely won’t be happy about it but Yeo and Ryan will likely both get 2 year deals. I do agree we should wait to see how each plays before committing though

 

[Off Tap]

Sounds like we can all move on form Logan pretty quickly then. Appreciate the mail, hopefully he has a good career at the Swans.

Would love him with us but it would have to be a mega deal to get him back.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Would more than happily sign Ryan to that two year deal right now

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I’d be waiting until 2025 to begin negotiations with Sheed on a new contract. Round 15 seems too soon given he’s contracted for next year still per the post that’s stickied at the top of each page in this thread

People likely won’t be happy about it but Yeo and Ryan will likely both get 2 year deals. I do agree we should wait to see how each plays before committing though

I thought Sheed was out of contract this year. My mistake.

The most generous i would be is 1 year with a trigger for a second based on games played/availability in the first year.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I’d be waiting until 2025 to begin negotiations with Sheed on a new contract. Round 15 seems too soon given he’s contracted for next year still per the post that’s stickied at the top of each page in this thread

People likely won’t be happy about it but Yeo and Ryan will likely both get 2 year deals. I do agree we should wait to see how each plays before committing though

BTW, do you know if ROB walked of his own accord with no notice or did he get pushed or what hapenned? You would have thought if they knew he was going they would have put in more legwork with getting a shortlist of replacement candidates before he went. It is pretty late in the day to be trying to find a replacement from within the industry when people will have already committed to the club they are already at for the coming season.

 

[Rowan18]

BTW, do you know if ROB walked of his own accord with no notice or did he get pushed or what hapenned? You would have thought if they knew he was going they would have put in more legwork with getting a shortlist of replacement candidates before he went. It is pretty late in the day to be trying to find a replacement from within the industry when people will have already committed to the club they are already at for the coming season.

I don't know about why he left, but after the draft and before the football seasons start (ie U18 etc) is the offseason for recruiting. I doubt you'd be able to get access to the top talent of you tried to approach them earlier in the year.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I don't know about why he left, but after the draft and before the football seasons start (ie U18 etc) is the offseason for recruiting. I doubt you'd be able to get access to the top talent of you tried to approach them earlier in the year.

You could approach them and tell them that there was going to be a job at your club at the end of the season and tell them what you could offer them. Plant the seed and see if they tell you they would like to continue the conversation with you at the end of the year or they give you a firm No Thanks. I think that that would be normally how it is done if you are going to poach somebody from another club, especially from interstate.

It is now late January and we are advertising on job boards for ROB's position. Who are we going to get now? I think our only option is a temporary promotion of somebody already at the club with a decision on a permanent replacement during the next off season.

 

[Keys]

Deplorable trumpster

To answer your question re ROB, I don’t know the details surrounding his exit from the club. There had been unconfirmed suggestions on here early last year that he was planning on stepping down at the end of 2023

That said, the club announcement of his retirement indicated they weren’t aware of his intentions. I think it’s extremely doubtful he was pushed

Why he decided to leave we’ll likely never know exactly but he’s no spring chicken and had been involved with the club for 33 years. He’s not gone elsewhere so perhaps he’d just had enough

As for the timing of his resignation, early December is probably the best time for a list manager to leave. Trade period and draft have just wrapped up, players are returning for preseason and contract negotiations for players out of contract at the end of the upcoming season have plenty of time to be resolved

There are several clubs in the process of changing their recruitment and list management staff at the moment so we aren’t the only club in the market

The most recent update in the media on our search was from Tom Morris, followed by a couple of other articles elsewhere, who described the list management role at West Coast as a highly desirable position with several names being considered (Refer the Back of House Discussion thread for details)

Don Pyke is said to be wanting someone in place by the end of February and there’s little indication it will be an internal promotion

I don’t think there’s any cause for alarm over the reason(s) for his departure, the timing of it or the ability to find a strong replacement

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Did we ever figure out why they re-signed Jamieson that long? Bush league.

Expect him to be paid out at the end of this season.

Pretty sure jamo was part of the longer contracts for less money we did a few years back with some other young fringe players , Petrecelle and Luke Edwards also .

Think we were at peak salary squeeze at that stage .

Those contracts are probably back ended too .