List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Obeanie1]

Brandon Parfitt another FA who would fit a need and age profile nicely.

Wonder if he's mates with Kelly and Jones.

 

[the harry]

Don Pyke and his relationship to Swans players has me excited about what we could potentially bring in over the next 2 to 3 years.

Must stay the course and hit the draft with those early picks again this year. Pick up a FA or two. Then from 2025 on consider trades for key players.

End of 2024 and 2025 we will have some serious cap space to spend attracting players.

Swans have Warner × 2, McDonald, and Sheldrick.

I wonder what McDonald would currently fetch. By end of season he could be untouchable or trade bait and I'm not sure which is more likely.

 

[Kegs15]

I wonder what McDonald would currently fetch. By end of season he could be untouchable or trade bait and I'm not sure which is more likely.

Yeah unfortunately I think no Buddy will be really good for him, and they're due a bounce back up the ladder IMO. My money's on "untouchable" (but really they'd take a massive offer) by end of season. If there was another trade period right now think he'd fetch less.

 

[eaglevision]

Yeah unfortunately I think no Buddy will be really good for him, and they're due a bounce back up the ladder IMO. My money's on "untouchable" (but really they'd take a massive offer) by end of season. If there was another trade period right now think he'd fetch less.

I think he’ll be given the best KPD each week and good players like Taylor, Moore and Weitering will give him a bath by making him defensively accountable and/or win/split the contest. In terms of value I think Freo’s 3 first rounders (expecting pick 5-10 and two late teens/early 20s after bids) in exchange for Swans 2nd and junk pics would be the deal. Just don’t see us chasing hard using draft currency when we have other huge deficits that are more pressing and we’ve just recruited A Reid.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Absolutely should not throw stupid money at Tim English.

Red Flags all over the place there.

Avoid! Avoid!

 

[garlic munchers]

Not sure if posted already...perhaps shows top draft picks aren't the be all and end all?

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Review against the ladder in 3/4 years time and I suspect it will be pretty indicative of the ladder (with WC the exception).

 

[BeornJ]

Not sure if posted already...perhaps shows top draft picks aren't the be all and end all?

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Looking at that list its pretty clear that what North needs is more 1st round draft picks.

 

[Obeanie1]

More than likely he'll just have to evolve and be less of a zippy flying forward and more of a role player who uses his smarts to get into the right place. He won't be the same but can still be a dangerous forward. Long isn't fast nor does he take screamers yet everyone loves him.

It's not like Ryans goal sense is going to disappear, just his leap and pace.

Wasn't Long at a 2.93ish second 20m sprint level when drafted?

Not slow.

 

[Obeanie1]

I wonder what McDonald would currently fetch. By end of season he could be untouchable or trade bait and I'm not sure which is more likely.

If any player wants to leave and nominates a club finishing bottom two or last how are they untouchable?

Dawson to Crows a few years back the most recent example of how it can work at times.

Eagles will not be paying a King's ransom while they are bottom 4 and while other clubs keep getting free hits through concessions. They should make a fair offer and that's it.

Will be interesting what Pyke and the new list manager will bring in the clubs negotiating stance. We seem to be quietly active and respectful with dealings. At times criticised. Will we start showing a more firm approach?

 

[eaglevision]

If any player wants to leave and nominates a club finishing bottom two or last how are they untouchable?

Dawson to Crows a few years back the most recent example of how it can work at times.

Eagles will not be paying a King's ransom while they are bottom 4 and while other clubs keep getting free hits through concessions. They should make a fair offer and that's it.

Will be interesting what Pyke and the new list manager will bring in the clubs negotiating stance. We seem to be quietly active and respectful with dealings. At times criticised. Will we start showing a more firm approach?

Agreed. On that note, what would you (or anyone else) view as a fair trade for the following players that may be on the radar:

Baker
Busslinger
English (assuming forced to trade)
McDonald

Assume we finish 17th so have picks 2,22,58 as well as our full suite of F1-4 to use.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Let's pump the breaks.

We're rebuilding the list from the ground up, it's going to get even younger in the next offseason or two.

There's absolutely no reason we should be targetting anybody, or looking to bring any player into the club right now, unless they're a cheap moneyball acquisition, or a free swing.

Hitting the draft for a couple years is what's most important. No need to target specific players to round off our list when we're nowhere near contending for finals, let alone contending for a flag.

 

[suntagonal]

Let's pump the breaks.

We're rebuilding the list from the ground up, it's going to get even younger in the next offseason or two.

There's absolutely no reason we should be targetting anybody, or looking to bring any player into the club right now, unless they're a cheap moneyball acquisition, or a free swing.

Hitting the draft for a couple years is what's most important. No need to target specific players to round off our list when we're nowhere near contending for finals, let alone contending for a flag.

I agree that we shouldn't be trying to bring just any body in via trade. But there is space for trading for a rebuilding team. E.g., An undervalued player who we see improvement (that we can get for cheap/er) is always a no brainer. E.g. another Yeo

 

[Grahame]

Let's pump the breaks.

We're rebuilding the list from the ground up, it's going to get even younger in the next offseason or two.

There's absolutely no reason we should be targetting anybody, or looking to bring any player into the club right now, unless they're a cheap moneyball acquisition, or a free swing.

Hitting the draft for a couple years is what's most important. No need to target specific players to round off our list when we're nowhere near contending for finals, let alone contending for a flag.

Mostly agree. The strategy might depend on how the half that are under 22 look. If mostly good to very good then there won’t be too many list spots but if many are duds that’s a whole different ball game.

Preseason is always full of optimism so we’ll see if it’s well founded or not. Currently I’m feeling like we’ve almost got the base for our next contending side. But I’m sure reality will bite me.

 

[eaglevision]

Let's pump the breaks.

We're rebuilding the list from the ground up, it's going to get even younger in the next offseason or two.

There's absolutely no reason we should be targetting anybody, or looking to bring any player into the club right now, unless they're a cheap moneyball acquisition, or a free swing.

Hitting the draft for a couple years is what's most important. No need to target specific players to round off our list when we're nowhere near contending for finals, let alone contending for a flag.

You don’t think we should be targeting an out of contract 20 year old CHB from WA who was a top 15 pick when your current CHB barely plays 50% of games? Have to totally disagree there. I do however agree that we shouldn’t be targeting mature players unless they come free of draft capital via FA on a fair contract.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I agree that we shouldn't be trying to bring just any body in via trade. But there is space for trading for a rebuilding team. E.g., An undervalued player who we see improvement (that we can get for cheap/er) is always a no brainer. E.g. another Yeo

Mostly agree. The strategy might depend on how the half that are under 22 look. If mostly good to very good then there won’t be too many list spots but if many are duds that’s a whole different ball game.

Preseason is always full of optimism so we’ll see if it’s well founded or not. Currently I’m feeling like we’ve almost got the base for our next contending side. But I’m sure reality will bite me.

You don’t think we should be targeting an out of contract 20 year old CHB from WA who was a top 15 pick when your current CHB barely plays 50% of games? Have to totally disagree there. I do however agree that we shouldn’t be targeting mature players unless they come free of draft capital via FA on a fair contract.

Yes, we can still add talent, but as i said it should be under the strict conditions of being done CHEAPLY.

Targetting Chad Warner in his prime is absurd given what we'd have to pony up for him. Likewise Mcdonald.

Not sure what Busslinger's value is at the trade table, hopefully he spuds it up this year, but if we can get him cheaply that's something i could totally endorse.

Yeo was taken at pick 30, showed a lot in his 2 seasons at the Lions and we only paid pick 28 for him. Good trade.

Flynn as a FA, good pickup. Brockman i feel we overpaid somewhat, but still got him on the 'cheap'. Sam Taylor would cost an absolute bucketload of salary, so that's touch and go, but at least we'd retain our draft picks.

That kind of stuff i don't mind, but targetting a big fish and enticing them to our club at the expense of our draft hand at this point is just silly. I mean gee wiz we won 3 games last year and our club is literally at the pits, it's never been worse. The build back is going to take a long time, there's no quick fixes by paying a premium in draft capital for established players.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yes, we can still add talent, but as i said it should be under the strict conditions of being done CHEAPLY.

Targetting Chad Warner in his prime is absurd given what we'd have to pony up for him. Likewise Mcdonald.

Not sure what Busslinger's value is at the trade table, hopefully he spuds it up this year, but if we can get him cheaply that's something i could totally endorse.

Yeo was taken at pick 30, showed a lot in his 2 seasons at the Lions and we only paid pick 28 for him. Good trade.

Flynn as a FA, good pickup. Brockman i feel we overpaid somewhat, but still got him on the 'cheap'. Sam Taylor would cost an absolute bucketload of salary, so that's touch and go, but at least we'd retain our draft picks.

That kind of stuff i don't mind, but targetting a big fish and enticing them to our club at the expense of our draft hand at this point is just silly. I mean gee wiz we won 3 games last year and our club is literally at the pits, it's never been worse. The build back is going to take a long time, there's no quick fixes by paying a premium in draft capital for established players.

Whats a premium?

And we have also added a fair amount of young interstate talent thay may get involved.

Landing Busslinger ex pick 13 for a pick between 15 and 20 is good business.

McDonald you are right we shouldnt burn an entire draft hand to land him, for one reason being he hasnt shown he's worth anything close to that. If Bailey has a good year and keeps developing the Eagles dont need McDonald at such a high cost.

So its a fair deal or no deal.

 

[eaglevision]

Yes, we can still add talent, but as i said it should be under the strict conditions of being done CHEAPLY.

Targetting Chad Warner in his prime is absurd given what we'd have to pony up for him. Likewise Mcdonald.

Not sure what Busslinger's value is at the trade table, hopefully he spuds it up this year, but if we can get him cheaply that's something i could totally endorse.

Yeo was taken at pick 30, showed a lot in his 2 seasons at the Lions and we only paid pick 28 for him. Good trade.

Flynn as a FA, good pickup. Brockman i feel we overpaid somewhat, but still got him on the 'cheap'. Sam Taylor would cost an absolute bucketload of salary, so that's touch and go, but at least we'd retain our draft picks.

That kind of stuff i don't mind, but targetting a big fish and enticing them to our club at the expense of our draft hand at this point is just silly. I mean gee wiz we won 3 games last year and our club is literally at the pits, it's never been worse. The build back is going to take a long time, there's no quick fixes by paying a premium in draft capital for established players.

That was my point, I’d happily pay our 2R for Busslinger no matter where it falls and was seeing if this was a view shared by others. Whilst I listed a few players above that no doubt will be discussed, he’s the only one of them I want us to trade for. A 20yo local, OOC top 15 KPD with 2 years of development under his belt would be a far better investment for the club than anyone we could pick up with pick 21+ IMO, especially given our KPD stocks.

 

[MrKennedy17]

Every chance Sheed is cooked. Long list of leg injuries now. Gaff is in definately his last season.
Calling it now, Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

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8.0

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3.3

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1.3

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11.4

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3.8

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1.6

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comes back and tears another Tendon in his 1st month. These 3 are off the books end of 2024. I've never seen a guy go through 3 hammy tendon surgeries on both legs in 1 year.

The most interesting thing this season will be in Tall Fwd/Ruck Department. Some of them are gone end of the season. I think Archer Reid will be a star CHF by the way. Bailey Williams most likely heads home after Flynn makes Ruck his.
Eagles i think will get Livingstone in the 2nd Ruck role, probably will offer more as a fwd than Bailey Williams but we will see. We have many Half Fwd Mids that will rotate through this season plus Ryah if fit, Cripps, Long & Brockman in the small fwd department.

 

[Barrybran]

Every chance Sheed is cooked. Long list of leg injuries now. Gaff is in definately his last season.
Calling it now, Liam Ryan comes back and tears another Tendon in his 1st month. These 3 are off the books end of 2024. I've never seen a guy go through 3 hammy tendon surgeries on both legs in 1 year.

The most interesting thing this season will be in Tall Fwd/Ruck Department. Some of them are gone end of the season. I think Archer Reid will be a star CHF by the way. Bailey Williams most likely heads home after Flynn makes Ruck his.
Eagles i think will get Livingstone in the 2nd Ruck role, probably will offer more as a fwd than Bailey Williams but we will see. We have many Half Fwd Mids that will rotate through this season plus Ryah if fit, Cripps, Long & Brockman in the small fwd department.

Gaff is out of contract at the end of this year, Sheed at the end of 2025 and Ryan was just extended for two years.

I agree that Williams moves on after this season. Melbourne clubs are fairly obvious but Sydney have a habit of taking talls off our hands.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I agree that Williams moves on after this season. Melbourne clubs are fairly obvious but Sydney have a habit of taking talls off our hands.

Another claim of BW leaving? I still don't get what this is based on whatsoever. Has he ever expressed unhappiness being here?

 

[Barrybran]

Another claim of BW leaving? I still don't get what this is based on whatsoever. Has he ever expressed unhappiness being here?

He's not a first ruck. He's certainly not a forward. We're loaded with forwards and have more of both positions coming through. And he has currency, albeit not a huge amount. I personally don't see him with us beyond this season.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

He's not a first ruck. He's certainly not a forward. We're loaded with forwards and have more of both positions coming through. And he has currency, albeit not a huge amount. I personally don't see him with us beyond this season.

He's our biggest success story in 2023 and is entrenched in our Best 22 in a ruck/fwd role alongside Flynn. I think the claims he's leaving are daft.

Bookmark this in case I'm wrong though.

 

[eaglevision]

He's not a first ruck. He's certainly not a forward. We're loaded with forwards and have more of both positions coming through. And he has currency, albeit not a huge amount. I personally don't see him with us beyond this season.

Yep. Don’t see an obvious place for him in the 22 moving forward. Would appeal to Demons, Tigers or Geelong for an early 2R (after bids etc) I would have thought.

 

[Barrybran]

He's our biggest success story in 2023 and is entrenched in our Best 22 in a ruck/fwd role alongside Flynn. I think the claims he's leaving are daft.

Bookmark this in case I'm wrong though.

On face value, I agree with you. But when you look at Bailey himself and our list movements around him, I just don't see where he fits.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Yep. Don’t see an obvious place for him in the 22 moving forward. Would appeal to Demons, Tigers or Geelong for an early 2R (after bids etc) I would have thought.

Ruck/fwd supporting Flynn. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Darling had a poor 2023 and is older, the other options are more third talls (Waterman, Maric). Archer too young and injury questions.

BW has a safe place in the side for years if he wants it, and there's no reason to believe he doesn't.