List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Bacchus]

Think he is saying that TB wants to renegotiate - is underpaid currently and probably wants more security than the current 3 years. If Eagles don't or aren't keen to renegotiate than they are essentially saying they would rather the picks he will generate than keep him.

Is he underpaid currently? Who knows the figures?

I would assume he was happy with the original terms or he wouldn’t have signed the contract.

Sounds a little mercenary to me. Someone comes along with a bigger deal and he wants to change the terms.
And then says ‘you’re forcing me out’ if you don’t agree to renegotiate? Umm. Strange logic there.

If he decides to go the club should demand a very high price from the buyer.

 

[WA footy mad]

Wow making the same mistakes Yeo for 3 years should have been 1 if he didnt like it leave, Duggan 4 years thats even a bigger blunder. We will not see a competitive side for years.

 

[Bacchus]

Eagles fans calling for two firsts for Barass yet he won’t reach 100 games?

If the price is too high carry on with what you’ve got.

 

[bzparkes]

I'd love to meet Barrass IRL though, seems like a total dude and similar to a lot of my mates.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I would be happy to offload Kelly if we could find a buyer to give us a pick around 20 for him. Some of his efforts this season have been putrid. And he is looking more and more checked out and disinterested over time. Get rid of him for something whilst we still can.

 

[Footfalcon]

I would be happy to offload Kelly if we could find a buyer to give us a pick around 20 for him. Some of his efforts this season have been putrid. And he is looking more and more checked out and disinterested over time. Get rid of him for something whilst we still can.

Give him to freo.

Why on earth did we give old mate four years... fourrrrr years. After giving yeo 3. The whole league must see us as suckers

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Give him to freo.

Why on earth did we give old mate four years... fourrrrr years. After giving yeo 3. The whole league must see us as suckers

I agree. Was anybody else offering him something significantly better than 4 years that we were competing with? What leverage did he have in the negotiations in order to be able to extract an offer like that from us?

 

[EagleShore]

Don't post much (look at my ****en avatar for goodness sake), so please excuse any ignorance of prior discussion about this...

Tim English. There is talk on the various Fox shows about our interest in him.

Why would we be seeking a Tim English, potentially commanding > $800kp.a. when we are rebuilding? If a ruckman has an effect in terms of score involvement, it is found as the cream on the top of an established cake of midfielders who reliably win the ground ball and have defensive and forward structures that can capitalise on such midfield dominance.

Do we really want him at this stage of the rebuild given the expense?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Don't post much (look at my ****en avatar for goodness sake), so please excuse any ignorance of prior discussion about this...

Tim English. There is talk on the various Fox shows about our interest in him.

Why would we be seeking a Tim English, potentially commanding > $800kp.a. when we are rebuilding? If a ruckman has an effect in terms of score involvement, it is found as the cream on the top of an established cake of midfielders who reliably win the ground ball and have defensive and forward structures that can capitalise on such midfield dominance.

Do we really want him at this stage of the rebuild given the expense?

Because he is a free agent and we can possibly get him for nothing, i.e. not give up any draft picks to get him.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Don't post much (look at my ****en avatar for goodness sake), so please excuse any ignorance of prior discussion about this...

Tim English. There is talk on the various Fox shows about our interest in him.

Why would we be seeking a Tim English, potentially commanding > $800kp.a. when we are rebuilding? If a ruckman has an effect in terms of score involvement, it is found as the cream on the top of an established cake of midfielders who reliably win the ground ball and have defensive and forward structures that can capitalise on such midfield dominance.

Do we really want him at this stage of the rebuild given the expense?

The way I look at it we have to pay at least 95 % of the salary cap . That's the minimum.

We could either pay extra to guys who don't deserve it by renegotiating contracts

Keep guys like Jones ,ledwards and witherden on the list at 300k a year

Renegotiate barass contract for more or trade him to the bulldogs paying the rest of his contract with us for 2 x first rounders

We could give gaff another year .

We could pick up another free agent who actually might to come to us like zurhaah

Take a salary dump from another club like Caleb Daniel.

Or we could front load English in a 6 year contract where the last 3 years are significantly less than the first 3 . Eg 1mil , 1mil , 1mil , 600k , 600k , 600k .

We would get English for free draft pick wise and be using salary cap that would be wasted otherwise .

Until the afl allows to exclusively trade cap space for picks we will have to find other ways to use it

 

[footy_basis]

The way I look at it we have to pay at least 95 % of the salary cap . That's the minimum.

We could either pay extra to guys who don't deserve it by renegotiating contracts

Keep guys like Jones ,ledwards and witherden on the list at 300k a year

Renegotiate barass contract for more or trade him to the bulldogs paying the rest of his contract with us for 2 x first rounders

We could give gaff another year .

We could pick up another free agent who actually might to come to us like zurhaah

Take a salary dump from another club like Caleb Daniel.

Or we could front load English in a 6 year contract where the last 3 years are significantly less than the first 3 . Eg 1mil , 1mil , 1mil , 600k , 600k , 600k .

We would get English for free draft pick wise and be using salary cap that would be wasted otherwise .

Until the afl allows to exclusively trade cap space for picks we will have to find other ways to use it

The front loading is likely why barrass wants to renegotiate. He ate his cake and now wants another cake. He needs to be traded out.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Interesting to see Collingwoods recruiting over past 10 years, few father sons have maybe saved them from themselves.

2022 probably too early to say.

 

[FKASC]

Interesting to see Collingwoods recruiting over past 10 years, few father sons have maybe saved them from themselves.

2022 probably too early to say.

Not sure why Macrae has a cross. Seems to have played pretty well. It also excludes a heap of picks to support their bias.

2013 - Tom Langdon 65
2014 - Mason Cox rookie
2017 - Brody Mihocek rookie
2018 - John Noble rookie
2020 - Beau McCreery 44
2020 - Jack Ginnivan rookie
2022 - Oleg Markov rookie

As well as the trades in, many of which have been cheap and effective.

 

[Smotie2]

Not sure why Macrae has a cross. Seems to have played pretty well. It also excludes a heap of picks to support their bias.

2013 - Tom Langdon 65
2014 - Mason Cox rookie
2017 - Brody Mihocek rookie
2018 - John Noble rookie
2020 - Beau McCreery 44
2020 - Jack Ginnivan rookie
2022 - Oleg Markov rookie

As well as the trades in, many of which have been cheap and effective.

Yeah it's amazing what you can do with a good footy department, development and coaching in a club.

 

[ronpingwins]

Not sure why Macrae has a cross. Seems to have played pretty well. It also excludes a heap of picks to support their bias.

2013 - Tom Langdon 65
2014 - Mason Cox rookie
2017 - Brody Mihocek rookie
2018 - John Noble rookie
2020 - Beau McCreery 44
2020 - Jack Ginnivan rookie
2022 - Oleg Markov rookie

As well as the trades in, many of which have been cheap and effective.

True there’s a few really goodrole players missed. Those late picks are what we’ve missed. Macrae sucks and will be delisted. They’re pretty unhappy with their picks the last couple of years too, Allan hasn’t come on, Jakob Ryan is apparently already cut and DeMattia can’t get near it in the reserves, the fans think he’s a bust too.

 

[Elite Pete]

We need a lot. Worry about what this guy can offer in 2 years.
There will be 20 new players between now and then.

Haha, Of course we need a lot better now but that is horrible thinking about putting him on a shelf for 2 years time.

Under the proposed new rules we can put 2 years of development into him now knowing we get the rewards. Along with an extra year into Walley, Banfield and Koby. These guys will be better prepared for when they hit the afl draft like a lot of the FS and academy players have stepped straight up.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Not sure why Macrae has a cross. Seems to have played pretty well. It also excludes a heap of picks to support their bias.

2013 - Tom Langdon 65
2014 - Mason Cox rookie
2017 - Brody Mihocek rookie
2018 - John Noble rookie
2020 - Beau McCreery 44
2020 - Jack Ginnivan rookie
2022 - Oleg Markov rookie

As well as the trades in, many of which have been cheap and effective.

Macrae is terrible

 

[Elite Pete]

Not sure why Macrae has a cross. Seems to have played pretty well. It also excludes a heap of picks to support their bias.

2013 - Tom Langdon 65
2014 - Mason Cox rookie
2017 - Brody Mihocek rookie
2018 - John Noble rookie
2020 - Beau McCreery 44
2020 - Jack Ginnivan rookie
2022 - Oleg Markov rookie

As well as the trades in, many of which have been cheap and effective.

Macrae is not great at afl level.

A lot of misses with early picks but have done ok with the later picks. No superstars but great role players. Just what we need atm

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If Tim English comes it makes Harry Barnetts 2 year deal even dumber. 5th choice ruck he will be (Livingstone is better then him). If English comes 100% we gotta tap Bailey Williams on the shoulder and move him on. Seems the perfect candidate for those who wanted Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

31

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.6

3star

but probably wont get him.

Question is, what is his worth. I know oppositon fans will say 3rd rounder durrrrrrrr but reality is in a market with zero rucks available his value will be much higher. Demons probably most ideal candidate for Bailey himself but pick 38 shouldnt be considered enough. Collingwoods pick 28 could work. One from left field could be St Kilda. We have seen the want they have to give Rowan Marshall

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Rowan Marshall

Age

28

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

more time up forward but cant cos Tom Campbell

38

Tom Campbell

Age

32

Ht

201cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

17.0

5star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.0

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

CL

1.2

4star

HO

13.2

5star

is too average. Pick 25 would look good. Richmond in any Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

deal but then I really dont want Baker so id like that to not be a goer.

I think Tim English for free and pick 25 for Bailey Williams would be a good move overall

 

[kane249]

Macrae is terrible

People think he is good because of his brother

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

People think he is good because of his brother

People also think Ed Allan is good cos he was a high draft pick. He has been spudding it up in the VFL. Glad we avoided that one

 

[YeoGabbaGabba]

 

[bUCKET__]

Tom is my favourite current player, but even I'm coming around to testing the market for what picks he could net us.

Cheering for him to get a flag somewhere else (on better coin) would give me another reason to tune into the footy... which is a list that grows smaller all of the time, given the state of our list and of the game more broadly.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Not sure why Macrae has a cross. Seems to have played pretty well. It also excludes a heap of picks to support their bias.

2013 - Tom Langdon 65
2014 - Mason Cox rookie
2017 - Brody Mihocek rookie
2018 - John Noble rookie
2020 - Beau McCreery 44
2020 - Jack Ginnivan rookie
2022 - Oleg Markov rookie

As well as the trades in, many of which have been cheap and effective.

These players would help a team be ordinary. It's the fact they have three AA/near AA talent in Daicos x2 and Moore (despite being shit this year), through the f/s. Coupled with staying power of Pendles/Sidey/Howe etc., they players listed above have been able to support the top end they have on the list.

If you don't have the top end, it doesn't matter if you hit some solid picks through the rookie draft/late picks.

Pies have an old list though and the fall off could be painful in the next few years (and its started this year to a degree).

 

[Goroyals22]

Macrae is not great at afl level.

A lot of misses with early picks but have done ok with the later picks. No superstars but great role players. Just what we need atm

Yet Macrae is so terrible he still managed to hand our bunch of blokes a beating with his 3 goals


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