List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  26

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

B.williams is a coaches nightmare as a third tall plus 2nd ruckmen

BWilliams should be our 3rd tall and our 2nd ruck imo

I could be missing something but who is our first ruckman? Because Nic Nat retired, didn't he?

 

[bzparkes]

I could be missing something but who is our first ruckman? Because Nic Nat retired, didn't he?

Flynn.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ryan Allen Waterman
Brockman Darling Cripps

Bench: Ried, Long, B Williams and a defender.

Waterman if fit keeps Maric just out of the side. He's technically still in his first year.

A 5 man bench and no sub would be great. It's coming potentially.

As always injuries and returning fitness levels will reduce the list of available players.

 

[stallon]

I agree with BWilliams for now but I have a strong suspicion we will trade him end of this year. Maric is the other tall I’d have in the starting 22, he’s mobile and good enough at ground level to play 2 talls. If we didn’t have twl of those I mentioned and we had a KP/ruck injury (particularly in the backline) we’d be absolutely stuffed. Would definitely have a versatile small/medium as the sub.

Yeah I think BW is a good chance to leave too.
Most clubs run 2 KPFs, a ruckman and 1 ruck/fwd dont they? no reason we need to be taller other teams.
3 tall backs is probably necessary though, Gov, Barrass and Bazzo, maybe swap Bazzo with Maric?

 

[eaglevision]

Ryan Allen Waterman
Brockman Darling Cripps

Bench: Ried, Long, B Williams and a defender.

Waterman if fit keeps Maric just out of the side. He's technically still in his first year.

A 5 man bench and no sub would be great. It's coming potentially.

As always injuries and returning fitness levels will reduce the list of available players

I agree Waterman and Maric playing for the same spot, good problem to finally have. I think Maric has great potential and youth and for this I would slightly favour giving him first crack but Waterman has been very impressive bouncing back and training the house down.

Yeah I think BW is a good chance to leave too.
Most clubs run 2 KPFs, a ruckman and 1 ruck/fwd dont they? no reason we need to be taller other teams.
3 tall backs is probably necessary though, Gov, Barrass and Bazzo, maybe swap Bazzo with Maric?

I wouldn’t describe Maric or Waterman as KPF. They are third talls with the agility and tank (in progress for Maric) to play as lead up options further up the ground. I think they would be great for team balance and cover if a big man goes down in a game. Bazzo not ready yet but agree he’d be the next tall option after those two IMO. Until we trade our 2R pick for Busslinger.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

We could play both Waterman and Maric and leave out Darling? Allen CHF, Waterman out of the square, Maric floating third tall. I know Jake has a strong running game but I really like his work as a genuine FF in the WAFL. If Allen creates space for him he'll beat most defenders on the lead. Can contest if the high ball comes in.

Confused as to why a few posters are suggesting we'll be trading Bailey Williams at this stage in his career/our rebuild.

 

[eaglevision]

We could play both Waterman and Maric and leave out Darling? Allen CHF, Waterman out of the square, Maric floating third tall. I know Jake has a strong running game but I really like his work as a genuine FF in the WAFL. If Allen creates space for him he'll beat most defenders on the lead. Can contest if the high ball comes in.

Confused as to why a few posters are suggesting we'll be trading Bailey Williams at this stage in his career/our rebuild.

Good point RE: Waterman but I just don’t think we will. JD had an ordinary year but to be fair he played most of the year injured and I have no doubt he’ll get first crack. Waterman and Maric would get ragdolled by 2nd KPD of decent size and oppo will figure out to drop a player into the space and crowd to stop the leads. Oscar is the only contested marking target and we become predictable.

On BWilliams if you look at our talls I’d expect Barnett and JWilliams to be able to make an impact in 2025. With A Reid in the wings under Oscar I just don’t see a role for BWilliams in a couple of years. That is of course assuming Flynn establishes himself as a reliable #1 ruckman and Barnett comes on. If they are our rucks we’d have to pick him as a KPF and I’d have Oscar, A Reid, J Williams ahead of him for that role in a few years. We’d get a decent pick for him from a number of vic clubs who need a ruck/forward. Just my opinion not based on anything coming from the club or BWilliams.

 

[stallon]

I agree Waterman and Maric playing for the same spot, good problem to finally have. I think Maric has great potential and youth and for this I would slightly favour giving him first crack but Waterman has been very impressive bouncing back and training the house down.

I wouldn’t describe Maric or Waterman as KPF. They are third talls with the agility and tank (in progress for Maric) to play as lead up options further up the ground. I think they would be great for team balance and cover if a big man goes down in a game. Bazzo not ready yet but agree he’d be the next tall option after those two IMO. Until we trade our 2R pick for Busslinger.

Surely it's time for Bazzo to be getting at least semi-regular games as a 3rd tall, or taking the 2nd fwd leaving gov free? Hes in his 3rd year now, and gov isn't getting any younger. 3 tall (190cm+) defenders seems to be the way clubs run things these days. We don't have Hurn anymore to handle a KPF to cover a rotation.

I think waterman and maric definitely can play more of a lead up type role, my thinking however was flynn 80% ruck, with darling and BW staying deep, letting Allen play the lead up CHF role.

I've tried to make a best 23 and I do struggle to fit in maric/waterman, maric in particular is only going to be a second year player, I dont think there is a rush to give him a heap of games.
If we have Allen, darling, BW, long, cripps, ryan and brockman, thats 7 fwds. Throw in a resting mid or 2 and we are full down there. I wouldnt put maric ahead of any of those guys yet, maybe as a rotation throughout the year though, 10-12 games.

 

[stallon]

We could play both Waterman and Maric and leave out Darling? Allen CHF, Waterman out of the square, Maric floating third tall. I know Jake has a strong running game but I really like his work as a genuine FF in the WAFL. If Allen creates space for him he'll beat most defenders on the lead. Can contest if the high ball comes in.

Confused as to why a few posters are suggesting we'll be trading Bailey Williams at this stage in his career/our rebuild.

I dont think itd be any stretch to imagine we have drafted ruck/fwds so heavily lately to cover BW potentially leaving in the near future. He is Victorian and will be hot property when contract is coming close to ending

 

[eaglevision]

Surely it's time for Bazzo to be getting at least semi-regular games as a 3rd tall, or taking the 2nd fwd leaving gov free? Hes in his 3rd year now, and gov isn't getting any younger. 3 tall (190cm+) defenders seems to be the way clubs run things these days. We don't have Hurn anymore to handle a KPF to cover a rotation.

I think waterman and maric definitely can play more of a lead up type role, my thinking however was flynn 80% ruck, with darling and BW staying deep, letting Allen play the lead up CHF role.

I've tried to make a best 23 and I do struggle to fit in maric/waterman, maric in particular is only going to be a second year player, I dont think there is a rush to give him a heap of games.
If we have Allen, darling, BW, long, cripps, ryan and brockman, thats 7 fwds. Throw in a resting mid or 2 and we are full down there. I wouldnt put maric ahead of any of those guys yet, maybe as a rotation throughout the year though, 10-12 games.

Big year for Bazzo yep. Don’t think too many kids on an AFL list have had to go through what he did last year and happy to cut him some slack for that. Definitely has the talent, I think he’ll still be on the list in 2026 but to do that he’ll obviously need to be playing I agree. Gov will miss a few games this year, he’ll get an opportunity as the second tall to show what he can do. I expect us to target Busslinger and then Taylor (FA) next year so there’s room for him assuming we get none or one of those two.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I dont think itd be any stretch to imagine we have drafted ruck/fwds so heavily lately to cover BW potentially leaving in the near future. He is Victorian and will be hot property when contract is coming close to ending

Who are these ruck/fwds you're referring to?

Barnett is the main one, but is still very raw. So that's 1.

Flynn is pretty much a pure ruckman.

Archer seems an out and out forward to me. Jack Williams is very part time at best and is more competing as a KPP.

As a Cat B rookie Livingstone is a long shot, but who knows?

I've already put a line through Jamieson and am befuddled that he's contracted until the end of '25.

For team balance there isn't really anyone challenging Bailey right now, and by the time Barnett could be I'd expect Flynn to be much nearer the end of his career.

B Williams was one shining light of 2023 and I'd expect his continued development as a ruck/fwd to be a real focus again this season. We aren't going to put in that work just to trade him away.

 

[stallon]

Big year for Bazzo yep. Don’t think too many kids on an AFL list have had to go through what he did last year and happy to cut him some slack for that. Definitely has the talent, I think he’ll still be on the list in 2026 but to do that he’ll obviously need to be playing I agree. Gov will miss a few games this year, he’ll get an opportunity as the second tall to show what he can do. I expect us to target Busslinger and then Taylor (FA) next year so there’s room for him assuming we get none or one of those two.

Yep fingers crossed we get buss at least, even barrass buss and bazzo in 2 years time will be a nice combo

 

[stallon]

Who are these ruck/fwds you're referring to?

Barnett is the main one, but is still very raw. So that's 1.

Flynn is pretty much a pure ruckman.

Archer seems an out and out forward to me. Jack Williams is very part time at best and is more competing as a KPP.

As a Cat B rookie Livingstone is a long shot, but who knows?

I've already put a line through Jamieson and am befuddled that he's contracted until the end of '25.

For team balance there isn't really anyone challenging Bailey right now, and by the time Barnett could be I'd expect Flynn to be much nearer the end of his career.

B Williams was one shining light of 2023 and I'd expect his continued development as a ruck/fwd to be a real focus again this season. We aren't going to put in that work just to trade him away.

The ones I'm talking about are the ones you mentioned. A ruck/fwd doesn't have to be a pure ruckman, just around 200cm and has some ability to chop out in the ruck.
We probably went a little heavy with talls, and I'm sure there was a reason for it.

I dont think its the plan to trade him, but if he does want to go or has shown any interest at all in going home we won't be able to stop him.
A.reid will probably be the man in 2 years time

 

[JackOutback]

Yep fingers crossed we get buss at least, even barrass buss and bazzo in 2 years time will be a nice combo

Rolls off the tongue, at least.

 

[EagleMan87]

Rolls off the tongue, at least.

Bazzo and The Bus; sounds like a morning radio show

 

[Byron_Clanger]

So it begins

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Say it again. Don't offer Ryan a new contract until he's proven his fitness. Something like a month of uninterrupted quality football.

I'm also starting to wonder if he's the most diligent when it comes to off field preparation.

 

[FKASC]

 

[Keys]

I’m not really a big fan of throwing big money at English to get him as a Free agent. Sure as shit aren’t interested in trading for him if the Bulldogs match

Rather we spent our cap space elsewhere

 

[kane249]

I’m not really a big fan of throwing big money at English to get him as a Free agent. Sure as s**t aren’t interested in trading for him if the Bulldogs match

Rather we spent our cap space elsewhere

Not able to participate in contact drills accurately sums up his ruck work as well

 

[archiemoses]

At the very least we should be keeping the dogs honest.

 

[eaglevision]

I’m not really a big fan of throwing big money at English to get him as a Free agent. Sure as s**t aren’t interested in trading for him if the Bulldogs match

Rather we spent our cap space elsewhere

Agreed. Sam Taylor 2025 for the cash offer, would much rather Buzz from the Dogs with a fair contract.

 

[MrKennedy17]

So Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

to retire end of 2024
So 2 hammy tendon surgeries on 1 leg and now 1 season later he getting the other leg hammy tendon done. He is done. No more flyin Ryan for him. You need hammy tendons to launch.

Could be Gaff, Sheed and Ryan off the list end of year. Certainly gonna be some cash to attract the free agents over the next 2 seasons.

 

[Convocation]

So Liam Ryan to retire end of 2024
So 2 hammy tendon surgeries on 1 leg and now 1 season later he getting the other leg hammy tendon done. He is done. No more flyin Ryan for him. You need hammy tendons to launch.

Could be Gaff, Sheed and Ryan off the list end of year. Certainly gonna be some cash to attract the free agents over the next 2 seasons.

 

[bzparkes]

So Liam Ryan to retire end of 2024
So 2 hammy tendon surgeries on 1 leg and now 1 season later he getting the other leg hammy tendon done. He is done. No more flyin Ryan for him. You need hammy tendons to launch.

Could be Gaff, Sheed and Ryan off the list end of year. Certainly gonna be some cash to attract the free agents over the next 2 seasons.

You know he's a pretty handy player other than jumping for marks, right?